Rapture Ready

[Rabbi Kanievsky to Mishkoltz Rabbi: “All That Can Be Done is to Wait for Messiah” by Adam Eliyahu Berkowitz Breaking Israel News | Israel Latest News, Israel Prophecy News] "“’Behold, I am going to send My messenger, and he will clear the way before Me. And the Lord, whom you seek, will suddenly come to His temple; and the messenger of the covenant, in whom you delight, behold, He is coming,’ says the LORD of hosts. But who can endure the day of His coming? And who can stand when He appears?” Malachi 3:1 (The Israel Bible™)

Last Saturday night, Rabbi Shalom Berger, the spiritual leader of the Mishkoltz sect of Hassidic Orthodox Jews, paid a visit to Rabbi Chaim Kanievsky, one of the leading rabbis of this generation.

A large crowd gathered to witness the auspicious meeting of these two great Torah authorities. Rabbi Berger brought a copy of his book on the section of the Talmud (Oral Law) dealing with Shabbat as a gift for Rabbi Kanievsky, who studied a few pages and encouraged him to write more books of this kind.

Rabbi Berger then asked Rabbi Kanievsky if it is true that this year is especially auspicious for the coming of the Messiah.

Rabbi Kanievsky answered without hesitation. “Of course, the year, 5776, in Hebrew letters (תשע”ו‎) spells ‘salvation’ (תשוע)...” Full text: Rabbi Kanievsky to Mishkoltz Rabbi: “All That Can Be Done is to Wait for Messiah” Re 1:7

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Crucible View Post

The 'Rapture' is mostly new age wishful thinking...

Re 3:10 KJV

"Rapture, the—translation of saved at Christ’s return. Not all will sleep (1 Cor. 15:51; 1 Thess. 4:15, 17), Dead in Christ will rise (1 Cor. 15:52; 1 Thess. 4:13, 14, 16), Living to be transformed (1 Cor. 15:51–53), Saints caught up (1 Thess. 4:16, 17). Thomas Nelson Publishers. (1996). Nelson’s quick reference topical Bible index (p. 519). Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers.

And how does that refer to a 'rapture'?

Jn 8:37

musterion View Post

...They're becoming increasingly convinced that they must endure unto the end to be saved, and if they don't they'll be lost.

Perhaps they will (Dan 7:21).
1 Co 15:26

The church is the church. Tribulation saints are tribulation saints----two different groups.

If you'd like to be in the former group, repent greasy gracers (Jud 4).

Birth pangs are painful. They point to his second coming.

musterion View Post

What does "greasy grace" mean. No links, what is your definition of that term, in one or two sentences.

Hypergrace, what John Wesley called the false convert--one who signs a card, walks down an isle, converts at age 8--lives like the devil his whole life and thinks he's going to heaven.

How much oil do you need in your lamp to go in the rapture?

Queue jeopardy theme (right click, open).

musterion View Post

That is a problem, especially if the power of God unto salvation is not being preached...

There is Power in the Blood Matt. 26:28

Crucible View Post

It is heresy, plain and simple. Revelations [sic] speaks upon persecuted Christians rising as Jesus did after he was martyred.

Revelation no "s" (Jas 3:1).

It's a series of revelations.

The Book is Revelation. If you don't know that, you probably shouldn't be teaching eschatology.

The fact that you even have to go there to make yourself appear to be more knowledgeable ...

Ad hominem Eph 4:14, 1 Co 1:27

One more mission. 1 Cor. 9:16

B.I.B.L.E. Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth

SaulToPaul View Post

We have no mandate whatsoever to clean up this earth, or this evil world system.

We are supposed to stare at the sky (Ro 10:14). It's all about you (Lk 19:13).

Lk 12:37, Jn 9:4

Takin' Care Of Business ~ Bachman-Turner Overdrive

SaulToPaul View Post

You're projecting again.

J.O.Y. Goes in the rapture. Jesus Others You 2 Tim. 3:2, Phil. 2:21

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The Lord is going to get us there safely (2 Co 12:9).

Airplane!

musterion View Post

[Rejects Lordship] Like talking to a robot.

Hopefully you have an Abraham in the family (Ge 18:25-26, Jas 5:16).

See:

Lordship

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Be Like Abraham

Crucible View Post

Rapture theory did not exist anywhere in historical eschatology. It is an invention of late.

ἁρπάζω ‘to seize, to snatch away, to take away.’ "...[T]he English "rapture" is a close derivative of the Latin word for "snatch [away]" (viz., rapere) which was used in the Latin Vulgate translation of the New Testament..." Full text: The "Rapture" or The "Snatching Away"


“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven (Mt 7:21, emphasis mine).


Scroll's gonna open shortly (Re 5-8)...

Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you (Mt 28:19–20, emphasis mine).

Danoh View Post

Including...Matthew 23:1

Yep.

Ready to Go ~ Republica

Then Jesus spoke to the multitudes and to His disciples, saying: “The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. Therefore whatever they tell you to observe, that observe and do, but do not do according to their works (Mt 23:1-3, emphasis mine).
Noah was a preacher of righteousness (2 Pe 2:5). You're not? Jud 4 Don't think you'll be going in the rapture greasy gracer (Lk 17:26).

Crucible View Post

There is no 'rapture'...Revelation 2:10




See:

Re 2:9-10 McGee

Arthur Brain View Post

I think SD's already left the planet so there's some proof for the 'rapture'...

Do you want me to be your governor? Is 32:1, 1 Cor. 6:2; 2 Tim. 2:12; Rev. 2:26, 27; 3:21

See:

The Magnificence of Mercy by Adrian Rogers

Danoh View Post
[To another member] You have been watching too much Star Trek...



The second coming is different. The rapture will already have occurred.

Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left [Matt. 24:40–41].

"I can hear someone saying to me, “Well, preacher, you have finally painted yourself into a corner. You said the church and the Rapture are not in the Olivet Discourse, but here they are. Two shall be in the field; one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.”

Well, my friend, He still is not talking about the Rapture. After all, what is our Lord talking about here? “As the days of Noe were.” Who was taken away in the days of Noah? “They knew not until the flood came, and took them all away.” They perished in the Flood. This is not referring to the Rapture when the church will be taken out of the world. Rather, this pictures the removing from the earth by judgment those who are not going to enter the millennial Kingdom." McGee, J. V. (1991). Thru the Bible commentary: The Gospels (Matthew 14-28) (electronic ed., Vol. 35, p. 146). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

Danoh View Post

...[H]ow did McGee arrive at that...

The church has already been raptured. Those who took the mark are not going into the Millennium.

The believer is taken up with the Lord.

1 Thess 4:16-17, Eph 1:10, 2 Thess 2:1, Heb 12:22-24





Book of remembrance--rapture (Mal 3:16). Book of Life--heaven (Re 20:15).

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...[W]hy do you post a verse and not tell what it means and your point?

The Feast of Trumpets is shrouded in a mystery. It is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma. The moon was concealed. The Jews needed two witnesses to attest to the fact that they'd seen a sliver of the moon. No one knew the day or the hour.

Nick M View Post

How many good works are needed to offset the evil you have committed?

Eph 2:8-9

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[Nick M post] Ok, now we are getting into the area that this was never supposed to go...

These greasy gracers don't discuss: God's holiness, man's need for repentance, surrendering to God's will, etc.

A chicken says to the pig, let's give the master an egg and bacon sandwich this morning. The pig says, "That's easy for you to say. You're just giving him an egg." Schwarzentraub.

Ask these hypergracers what their faith has cost them.

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We are not here to watch for a rapture. We are awaiting Christ.

He meets us in the air (1 Thess 4:17). What's the difference? Lk 21:34, 1 Thess 5:4, Am 3:7

It's not the same thing. It is not healthy to give up on the battle that is before us in this life.

We eagerly look forward to his appearing (2 Ti 4:8). Do you? Or, do you prefer this world? 1 Jn 2:15 I hope you eagerly look forward to his appearing. If you don't--red flag!

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So, you disagree with Paul that we should comfort one another with these words: 1 Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.


Pre-trib is comforting. Mid-trib, post-trib--that's not comforting.

Vid: Your tears are as unique (and beautiful) as snowflakes Eccl 3:4, Ps 56:8, 126:5, Re 21:4

In a Big Country ~ Big Country

Most people who are obsessed with the rapture (mentioned on a few times...)...

Start with Exodus--and all over the rest of scripture from there for those with spiritual eyes and ears.

...are escapist...

That's the plan (1 Thess. 4:16, 17). You lovin' this world and the things in it? 1 Jn 2:15

...and think Christian faith is escapist.

Escape Reward for faithfulness Re 2:23

...Go spend a week at PragerU.com...

Prager wouldn't know the truth if it bit him on his back parts.

...and get involved in actually stopping dictatorial government...

The bible makes it clear--this world will get worse before it gets better. Part of making it better is removing the infestation which inhabits it (Eccl 10:2, Jn 10:10, Mt 24:41). Even Prager can understand that. He was pro-flood.

...[Y]ou don't have any credibility.

Poisoning the well Eph 4:14

To await Christ is not the same as to escape our job here.

Who's not working? Mt 24:46

To work on our job here is not "preferring this world".
Don't hate us because we're going in the rapture (1 Cor. 15:51–53). You, too, could love his appearing (2 Ti 4:8).

Where is the appetite to counter the enemies of freedom and liberty now?

What do you think we've been doing all this time? Lk 19:13, Jn 8:36, 2 Thess. 2:7, 8 Explain your displeasure with those who love his appearing (2 Ti 4:8).

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Good for you if you have. Hope you're buying ticket gifts to Hilary's America and sending the PragerU link around to friends and contacts.
Why would I do that--so I can hold their hands on their way to hell? 1 Co 6:9-10. Shall I start a new PU thread? Prager thinks he’s a good man (Ro 3:12). Prager thinks he’s done good things for the world (Ro 1:32). What Prager really does during his happenstance hour and male/female hour is try to help people feel cozy in their sin. Prager loves his dirty diapers and he hopes you're enjoying yours, too (Is 61:10, Col 3:9).

"Sometimes we must comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable." ~ David Jeremiah

…to listen to most modern Christians talk, you'd think the neat thing was the route--the transport--the dematerialization. Not Christ himself.
Who wouldn't love a good Six Flags ride into the air without a seatbelt? 1 Thess. 4:16, 17 Not so filled with love at the thought of his appearing? 2 Ti 4:8, Heb 10:27

"It is a huge mistake to take God's gifts and rob him of his glory" -- Luther

We love his appearing (2 Ti 4:8). We live to glorify him. You're Lot's wife too in love with Sodom.

Danoh View Post

You bookworm, you.

What sort of bride doesn't want her bridegroom to ever show up?

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You are otherworldly, and I don't see that in true Christian faith.

Maybe you've never met a Christian (Jas 4:4).

[Prager] Only this week did he explain once again that parent that does not teach kids they have to battle themselves (the evil in themselves, not the 'environment') is worthless.

He can't control himself (Mt 5:28). He's a wave the white flag kind of guy (2 Pe 1:6).

...the Christian mission is here to see the world turned upside down...

No it's not (Mk 16:15).

"We give out the word of God. What men do with it is their business." ~ J. Vernon McGee

You have decided to take one minor aspect of the 2nd coming and distort the very fiber of the thing.

The rapture is not the Second Coming. The rapture occurs prior to his Second Coming.

All those who await the 2nd coming, who want to see Christ, have a deep yearning for all society to be righteous and self-controlled as well.

That will come soon enough. What is more important is to be prepared to be worthy to escape all these things which are coming on the earth (Lk 21:36).

Re: Prager and Mt 5:28 I don't think you've caught what Prager says there. He means that men have that inclination; Christ said this, not that anything can be done about it, but to define that all people are adulterous. "Tidy" remarriage arrangements by the Pharisees do not solve it. Women are often emotionally adulterous, too.

Prager has no interest in scrubbing himself up (Jn 15:3).
There is no such things as remarriage until one's spouse is dead (Rom. 7:2, 3). The word you are looking for is adultery (Heb. 13:4). But, this is Sodom aka America. We make it up as we go along.

See:

Divorce & Remarriage: A Position Paper by John Piper

I think your understanding of both people is on the level of sound-bytes...

"Repetition is the mother of pedagogy." ~ Dennis Prager

Prager has said many times how disgusting adultery and porn are; or addiction in general.

He discards wives as one might discard an orange peel after having squeezed all the juice out (Rogers). Prager is a pragmatist.

Re: turning the world upside down. OK, they don't wake up trying to do that each day.

You're awfully concerned with our Day Timers. You could always get off your blessed assurance and do your own kingdom work. Mk 9:41, Dan 10:13, Ps 105:15, Ro 14:4, Mk 6:11, Is 45:24, 54:17, Re 12:10, 12, Mt 13:7, Jud 1:9

...[T]here are secular versions of simply escaping everything in our culture...

Discussion about the rapture disturbs you. Maybe that's because you're not going in it (Lk 21:36). Maybe you're a foolish virgin with no oil in your lamp.

...[W]hich is dangerous thinking...

Dangerous encouraging 1 Thess 4:18

...it is dangerous morally and theologically.

For you, the bible is dangerous. For us it's a bright day (Ps 37:6). There are a lot of caterpillars out there pretending to be butterflies.

There are no long lists of geo-political events that need to take place for the 2nd coming and day of judgment to take place.

The Second Coming occurs after the rapture.

You have mistakenly used Lk 21 here and has no basis.

Jn 8:37

Lazy afternoon View Post

[The rapture is not the Second Coming. The rapture occurs prior to his Second Coming.] No. Christ returns to raise the saints and every eye sees Him coming.

I suppose you are responding to me since you quote me (without a link [Eph 4:14]).

Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen [Rev. 1:7].

"“Behold, he cometh with clouds” denotes the personal and physical coming of Christ.

“And every eye shall see him” reveals that His coming will be a physical and bodily appearance, an appeal to the eye–gate. As far as we know, when Christ takes the church out of the world at the Rapture, He doesn’t appear to everyone. I don’t believe in a secret rapture as some folk have attempted to describe it, but at the time of the Rapture He does not come to the earth. Believers are to be caught up to meet the Lord in the air. If Christ will be coming to the earth at that time, there is no point in being caught up in the air. Therefore, this is not the Rapture which is being described in this verse. This is His return to the earth as King.

“Every eye shall see him.” The emphasis in the Book of Revelation is upon His coming to this earth to establish His Kingdom.

“All kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him.” Probably a better translation is this: “All the tribes of the earth shall beat their breasts because of him.” This is going to be the reaction of all Christ–rejectors. The world will not want to see Him.

“Even so, Amen” means “Yea, faithful.” He is going to do it, my friend. He is not going to change His mind about it. He is faithful." McGee, J. V. (1991). Thru the Bible Commentary: The Prophecy (Revelation 1-5) (electronic ed., Vol. 58, p. 43). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

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[Rapture, Second Coming] It all happens at once...

Jas 3:1

Lazy afternoon View Post

You attempt to defame a son of God...

Choleric put you on Satan, Inc. Eph 4:14, 5:11

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This is a non-topic biblically...




“But take heed to yourselves, lest your hearts be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life, and that Day come on you unexpectedly. For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth. Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.” Lk 21:34–36

That whole passage especially is about the destruction of Jerusalem...




"Lk 21:34 that Day. I.e., the day of His return. See note on Matt. 24:37. When Christ mentions His return, he invariably enjoins watchfulness (cf. 12:37–40; Matt. 25:13; Mark 13:33–37)...

...Mt 24:37 as the days of Noah were. Jesus’ emphasis here is not so much on the extreme wickedness of Noah’s day (Gen. 6:5), but on the people’s preoccupation with mundane matters of everyday life (“eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage”—v. 38), when judgment fell suddenly. They had received warnings, in the form of Noah’s preaching (2 Pet. 2:5)—and the ark itself, which was a testimony to the judgment that was to come. But they were unconcerned about such matters and therefore were swept away unexpectedly in the midst of their daily activities.

24:40, 41 one will be taken. I.e., taken in judgment (cf. v. 39) just as in Noah’s day (“took them”; v. 39). This is clearly not a reference to the catching away of believers described in 1 Thess. 4:16, 17.

24:43 the thief. As no one knows what hour the thief will come, no one knows the hour of the Lord’s return or the Day of the Lord that accompanies His coming (cf. 1 Thess. 5:2; 2 Pet. 3:10). But the believer is to be ready at all times." MacArthur, J., Jr. (Ed.). (1997). The MacArthur Study Bible (electronic ed., p. 1440). Nashville, TN: Word Pub.

Also see:

What do partial preterists believe?

What is the preterist view of the end times?

...(seeing it did not happen) we need 2 Peter 3

You can thank him for his longsuffering.

SECTION OUTLINE THREE (2 PETER 3)
Peter describes three “worlds.”

I. THE ANCIENT WORLD (3:5b–6): This world was destroyed by the great Flood in the days of Noah.

II. THE PRESENT WORLD (3:1–5a, 7–12, 14–18)
A. The documents (3:1–2): Peter has written both his epistles admonishing his readers to remember the great truths.
1. The truths spoken by the Old Testament prophets (3:1–2a)
2. The truths spoken by the New Testament apostles (3:2c)
3. The truths spoken by the Savior himself (3:2b)
B. The derision (3:3–5a): Peter warns that scoffers will appear during the last days.
1. They will falsify the facts concerning the future fire judgment (3:3–4): They will say, “Jesus promised to come back, did he? Then where is he?”
2. They will deliberately forget the facts concerning the past flood judgment (3:5a).
C. The destruction (3:7, 10, 12b)
1. The fact of this destruction (3:7): The same God who once sent the flood will one day send fire.
2. The fury of this destruction (3:10, 12b): It will utterly consume both earthly and heavenly elements.
D. The delay (3:8–9)
1. The timelessness of God (3:8): A day to him is as a thousand years, and a thousand years is as a day.
2. The tenderness of God (3:9): He is patient, not wanting anyone to perish.
E. The dedication (3:11–12a, 14–18): In light of all this, two biblical writers admonish believers to live godly and holy lives.
1. Peter’s exhortation (3:11–12a, 14, 17–18): Grow in favor with the Lord.
2. Paul’s exhortation (3:15–16): The Lord is waiting to return so that more people will have time to be saved.

III. THE NEW WORLD (3:13): This future earth will become the home of universal righteousness
Willmington, H. L. (1999). The Outline Bible (2 Pe 3). Wheaton, IL: Tyndale House Publishers.

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...Nothing, nada, zip about events in Israel that 'need' to happen so that the 2nd coming can proceed.

Ad infinitum Eph 4:14

See:

What is the difference between the Rapture and the Second Coming?

Lazy afternoon View Post

The rapture occurs at the second coming.

I've got a door knob more biblically literate than you (2 Pe 2:1).

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Heb 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation [Heb. 9:28].

"This is not speaking of the Rapture, but of His coming as sovereign to judge the earth. (However, believers will not come into judgment.) When He appears the second time it will not be to settle the sin question. He is not going to come the next time to walk around the Sea of Galilee or through the streets of Jerusalem to see what men will do with His sacrifice. He is coming in judgment.

Therefore today we can put it very simply: there is just one of two places for your sin—either your sin is on you, or it is on Christ. If you have not accepted the sacrifice of Christ, if you are not trusting Him as your redeemer, if He is no authority to you, then there is nothing ahead of you but the judgment of the Great White Throne. No one who appears there is going to be saved, but everyone will be given a fair chance to present their works and discover that God was right all along. And I have news for you: God is always right. So today if your sin is on you, there is nothing that can remove it but the death of Christ.

When Christ comes the next time it will be “without sin unto salvation”—that is, He will complete salvation at that time. Our salvation is in three tenses: I have been saved; I am being saved; I shall be saved. “Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is” (1 John 3:2). Now that is going to be a great day. It is going to be a great day for Vernon McGee, so don’t you be dissatisfied with me, will you not? God is not through with me.

Down in Mississippi a dear little lady wearing a sunbonnet got up in a testimony meeting under the brush arbor and said, “Most Christians ought to have written on their backs, ‘This is not the best that the grace of God can do.’” Well, that should be written on the backs of all Christians. God is not through with any of us. Thank God for that! He is going to appear the second time without sin unto salvation—He is going to deliver us. But, my friend, He will not come to settle the sin question for anyone who has not accepted Him—to them He is coming as judge." McGee, J. V. (1991). Thru the Bible commentary: The Epistles (Hebrews 8-13) (electronic ed., Vol. 52, p. 46). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

Lazy afternoon View Post

[Heb 9:28 J. Vernon McGee] Made up.

You're projecting again (Eph 4:14).

See:

Heb 9:27-28 Guthrie

[Pre tribbers] ...[T]hey follow one another and never get a clear word from Christ...

You're projecting again (Eph 4:14).

Mt 24:44

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One Year Anniversary 'Peace and Safety'

...Netanyahu: Looking Forward To Working With Trump On Twin Interests Of Peace, Security 1 Thess 5:3

What Does "Unclean" Mean?

Sesame Street Rubber Ducky Song

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It is the Levitical sense. Believers have been cleansed in Christ.

Depends on what the meaning of believer is (Re 3:17).

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Those who believe Heb 8-10.

Those people (Mt 7:22-23).

Love without holiness is mere sentiment (1 Jn 3:9).

Are You Saved? Ps. 24:4

”Slider you stink.” ~ Maverick



So...you aren't talking about 'unclean' after all.

Jn 3:8


Mk 13:35




Ancient Secret of Daniel’s 70 Weeks Predicts End of Days Will Come This Year Re 1:7

An Auspicious 9-Minute Prayer Window Opens for First and Last Time in 28 Years Ps 145:18

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If we have learned anything from the last 50 years of pop eschatology, it is that date-setters are delusional.

Am 3:7


Lord, who may abide in Your tabernacle?
Who may dwell in Your holy hill?
He who walks uprightly,
And works righteousness,
And speaks the truth in his heart;
He who does not backbite with his tongue,
Nor does evil to his neighbor,
Nor does he take up a reproach against his friend;
In whose eyes a vile person is despised,
But he honors those who fear the Lord;
He who swears to his own hurt and does not change;
He who does not put out his money at usury,
Nor does he take a bribe against the innocent.

He who does these things shall never be moved. Ps 15:1–5

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Too bad you are not eligible to dwell in the holy hill of Zion...none of us are.

Ditch the leisure suit. Get yourself a robe of righteousness (Is. 61:10).

See:

Jesus Only by J. Vernon McGee


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Mal 4:4-6, Mt 24:14

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[Works]

See:

Jas 2:17-18 McGee


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[Trust]

Matt. 12:17–21

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[As a reminder SaulToPaul is number 57 on Satan, Inc. (TOL Heretics list) in "The 'Jesus is not God' people (Non-trinitarians) category. ] Too bad you are not eligible to dwell in the holy hill of Zion...none of us are.

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As a reminder Lazy afternoon is number 11 on Satan, Inc. (TOL Heretics list) in "The 'Jesus is not God' people (Non-trinitarians) category. ] You can only speak for yourself.

We don't know another's heart (1 Co 4:5). We can get an idea about who they are by the fruits that they produce: A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Therefore by their fruits you will know them (Mt 7:18–20).

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Eph 5:11

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Eph 4:14

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Changing quotes is against TOL rules.

Proof please (Eph 4:14).

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Eph 4:14

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Jesus loves you (Jn 3:16). Jesus is willing to save you (2 Pe 3:9). Repent (Eze 18:30-32; Ac 17:30). Believe (Mk 9:23).

[Receive warning for 'provoking SaulToPaul'] Ro 14:4, Ps 105:15

Crucible View Post

Before the 17th century there was no concept of a rapture.

And before that there was. 1 Thess. 4:16, 17

Crucible View Post

[1 Thess. 4:16, 17] There's not a single verse in scripture that actually shows your rapture.

Jn 8:37

Daniel1769 View Post

...Rapture after the Tribulation...

Lk 21:36, Re 3:10

Crucible View Post

[Rapture]...[I]t only exists in your imagination...

1 Cor. 15:51–53

northwye View Post

...Rapture cultists say that Christ can come at any time.
Better check your oil (Matt. 25:1–13).

john w View Post

Catholic serpent dove-it is the Lord Jesus Christ...

This from a guy who rejects Lordship? 2 Pe 2:1

john w View Post
[Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dumb, Rejection of Lordship] Yes...



I am warned, removed from a conversation and/or banned when I respond to you (2 Pe 2:1).

Sorry to 'provoke' you.

john w View Post

[Here for now (Jb 38:19)] Oh.




"Section Outline Twelve (Revelation 12)
John sees an interplay between a woman and a dragon, symbolizing the nation of Israel and Satan.


I. SATAN’S FORMER HATRED FOR GOD AND HIS PEOPLE (12:1–5)
A. His sin at the beginning (12:3–4): This seems to refer to his original fall.
B. His sin at Bethlehem (12; 1–2, 4–5)
1. Satan’s persecution of God’s nation (12:1–2)
2. Satan’s persecution of God’s Son (12:4b, 5b)
a. The birth of Jesus (12:4a, 5a)
b. The ascension of Jesus (12:5c)


II. SATAN’S FUTURE HATRED FOR GOD AND HIS PEOPLE (12:6–18)
A. The woman in the wilderness (12:6, 13–18): The woman here is the nation of Israel.
1. Israel will be persecuted by Satan during the Great Tribulation (12:13, 15, 17–18).
2. Israel will be protected by God during the Great Tribulation (12:6, 14, 16).
B. The war in the heavens (12:7–12): Some believe this will occur in the middle of the Great Tribulation.
1. The results (12:7–9)
a. The defeat of Satan (12:7–8): Michael the archangel will defeat him.
b. The dismissal of Satan (12:9) : He will be cast down to earth.
2. The reaction (12:10–12)
a. Satan will be filled with wrath (12:10b, 12c).
b. Saints will be filled with joy (12:10a, 11–12a).
c. Sinners will be filled with fear (12:12b)" Willmington, H. L. (1999). The Outline Bible (Re 12). Wheaton, IL: Tyndale House Publishers.

Related:

Revelation 12 Sign

Cornerstone Church Nashville Christmas Presentation: A Critique Christopher E. Hamrick

Daniel1769 View Post

[Lk 21:36, Re 3:10] Nothing there says the rapture is before the tribulation.

If you think you're not going in the rapture you're probably right (Re 2:22).

But who can endure the day of His coming?
And who can stand when He appears?
For He is like a refiner’s fire
And like launderers’ soap.
He will sit as a refiner and a purifier of silver;
He will purify the sons of Levi,
And purge them as gold and silver,
That they may offer to the Lord
An offering in righteousness. Mal 3:2–3

everready View Post

The rapture debacle in a nutshell...Jesuit End Times Antichrist Deception...

When we're all gone no we haven't been abducted by aliens. 1 Thess. 4:16, 17

Related:

Believe the Lie

john w View Post

[Re 12 Sign] Translated: Spam, throw out a bunch of unrelated verses...

Jn 8:37
As a reminder john w is number 58 on Satan, Inc. (TOL Heretics list) in "The 'Jesus is not God' people (Non-trinitarians) category.

SaulToPaul View Post

[Re 12 sign] The poor lost works salvationist...

Strawman Eph 4:14

As a reminder SaulToPaul is number 57 on Satan, Inc. (TOL Heretics list) in "The 'Jesus is not God' people (Non-trinitarians) category.

SaulToPaul View Post

[Jb 38:19, Re 12 sign] Still provoking, despite getting a warning. I believe your TOL days are getting short.

Eph 4:14

As a reminder SaulToPaul is number 57 on Satan, Inc. (TOL Heretics list) in "The 'Jesus is not God' people (Non-trinitarians) category.

[Banned: :banned:provoking other membersImage] "Truth is hate to those who hate the truth." ~ Bob Enyart Mk 9:41, 13:7, 25:8, 40, Dan 10:13, Ps 105:15, Ro 14:4, Mk 6:11, Is 45:24, 54:17, Re 12:10, 12, Jud 1:9

Reveal Key To Going In The Rapture Pt. 1 1 Thess. 4:15, 17

Tt 2:13

Is the New Star Really a Sign of a Messiah for Israel? Rev. 22:16


Flashback:

Dreams & Visions: Natan

Related:

What are the strengths and weaknesses of the midtribulational view of the rapture (midtribulationism)?


Lk 12:35 HCSB



1 Pe 1:13


Tt 2:13

Song Of Solomon Contains An Amazing Reference To The Pretribulation Rapture As Being In Springtime Lk 21:28

Sower View Post

How could the saints see the abomination of desolation, during the tribulation, and/or flee Judea if they were raptured Pre-Trib?

Those who will not take the mark of the beast--tribulation saints. Don't confuse the church (the bride) with tribulation saints.

Serpentdove, Jesus was talking to the disciples, the church (the bride), when He said...Take heed that no man deceive you...Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill some of you...When ye see the abomination of desolation...let them which be in Judea flee to the mountains...For then shall be great tribulation...per Matthew 24:4-26, was He not?

He's speaking about believers of the first resurrection. The church and the tribulation saints are not the same thing. The church will forever be known as the church--the bride of Christ. Tribulation saints will forever be known as tribulation saints--those that came out of the Great Tribulation--two different people groups. I'd recommended being in the former rather than the latter.

Sower View Post

Serpentdove, the believers in the "first resurrection" were killed/martyred...

I'm still alive. :idunno: I'll be in the first resurrection.

...during the great tribulation per Revelation 20:4,6, what's the difference?

Those who are raised in the first resurrection are raise to life (OT saints, the church [the bride] and tribulation saints). Those raised in the second resurrection are raised for judgment at the Great White Throne.

The fact that they preferred darkness over light implies they make a conscious choice between two recognized, and at least partly understood, alternatives.

Everyone has a choice. We tasted and saw that the Lord is good (Ps 34:8). They chose a different path.

Limey_Bob. View Post
Don't you think that you could be merely reading your own biases and presuppositions into the text of a highly poetic book?...

I'm not the author of the article.

Come away ~ Norah Jones

Sower View Post

...[T]here is no Pre-Trib rapture...

Perhaps for you (Re 2:22). :idunno:Maybe you'll do better without your head. :juggle:

Yogi View Post
I would like to point out how Jesus explained it; Matt.13:28, 29- Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near: So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors. If anything, He is saying that summer may be the real focus....

Look at the fig tree, and all the trees (Lk 21:29b NKJV, emphasis mine).

chtek View Post

Pretty amazing stuff, serpentdove. I think that you could do equally as well by reading a Harleguin Romance.

I don't read perv' books (Pr 4:23).

I do not agree with your theory…...

I'm not the author of the article.

Sower View Post

Are you aware, the rapture/coming of Christ "as a thief"...

To the unbeliever and make-believer--not to us (1 Thess 5:4). :dizzy:

Satire: "Jesus Not Coming Back By The Looks Of It" Admits Vatican Cardinal 2 Co 2:11, 11:14

Sower View Post

...[T]here is no Pre-trib rapture...
For you--no doubt (Re 2:22). For the wise virgins prepared (Matt. 25:1–13) :straight:--we're outta here (1 Thess. 4:16, 17). :rapture:

See:

Month of Judah

[No] ...Pre-trib rapture...

If you've been serving him, you'll be spared. If you haven't you will go into The Great Tribulation.

See:

Alpha & Omega/Strength of the Covenant

Jester View Post

[Those who are raised in the first resurrection are raise to life (OT saints, the church [the bride] and tribulation saints). Those raised in the second resurrection are raised for judgment at the Great White Throne.] Incorrect. Nothing in the Bible that states that the first resurrection have to do anything with [sic] the rapture or the resurrection of the Saints at any moment. Rather it is the born again. Please read Revelation 20:4 carefully...

See:

Re 20:4 McGee, MacArthur

The Elite are Building Luxury Bunkers Re 6:15–17

Related:

Elon Musk just posted a bunch of pictures of his tunnel and 'Boring' equipment

BIN Conference Speaker Kade Hawkins, Founder of Prophecy News Watch, Is “Reporting Prophecy As it Unfolds”

Rapture in the OT

2nicee View Post

I alone believe in the mid tribulation rapture. I just want to get your view on this if you are pre-trib, mid-trib or post-trib rapture believer.

I'm pre-trib.

TribulationSigns View Post

[To another member] ...[Y]ou are confused because of your premillennial perspective, positing two resurrections rather than one.

:dizzy: Re 20:6


chtek View Post

[To another member] ...[Y]ou are wrong in suggesting that it is because of my premillennial perspective. Not so. This is the belief also of many who are not premillennial in their eschatology.

Now ask if he/she believes in a literal 1000 year reign. We take the bible cerealisly.



buddyt View Post

[Chuck Missler]

Good teacher.

Muzungu256 View Post

I went to a pre-trib research center on the internet and wow this system is so complicated...

It's not difficult at all. Here's the outline: Write the things which you have seen, and the things which are, and the things which will take place after these things (Re 1:19).

See:

Revelation Session 1: Introduction Chuck Missler

PlainWord View Post

...[T]here is no time in heaven.

Re 8:1

See:

Is God Outside of Time? Not according to the Bible. By Bob Enyart

PlainWord View Post

Who is smarter, Bob Enyart or Albert Einstein?

Then you are of Einstein but you're not of God (1 Co 1:15). The idea that God is outside of time comes from Greek paganism not the bible.

valiant View Post

[Satan] He is restrained...

"If Satan is bound, the leash is too long." ~ Chuck Smith

valiant View Post

which book of the Bible is Chuck Smith in...

:yawn: He reminded people never to believe a word he said. Be a Berean and check it out for yourself (Ac 17:11).

RickyZ View Post

God can reach out and touch any point in time...

:dizzy:.

See:

Is the Future Settled or Open? Dr. Lamerson vs. Enyart

PlainWord View Post

Even your own article that you linked us to starts out by saying this: "Most Christian theologians join countless philosophers of the last 2,500 years in saying that God is outside of time." So I guess I join those countless Christian theologians and scholars

:yawn: Bandwagon

Odelschwanck View Post

What we really need to be worrying about is King Ghidorah.

Bladerunner View Post

We are only 3 dimensional.

I agree we'll get more dimensions in our glorified body. What does that have to do with time?

Bladerunner View Post

I really do not understand,,,,,one minute you are saying one thing and then next another. If God is omni-present... which means he is everywhere at the same time...

Why would you understand? You haven't read the books. The meaning you pour into the omnis and the ims is important. Don't be a Greek pagan.

VCO View Post

God is not a traveler in time, but rather the creator of time...

Time is not a created thing. :dizzy:

valiant View Post

[Satan's world] ...[H]is restraint is by God as He wills.

He's not on his earthly throne where he's supposed to be. Revelation is about setting things as they should be.

samuel23 View Post

Before God created, there was no matter, no space, and no time.

And then he created a big clock. Re 8:1

Muzungu256 View Post

[Time not a creation] You realize this is very new idea that Bob Enyart is proposing? Jews don't believe this and they are our forefathers in a sense.

Ad Antiquitatem , Bandwagon

valiant View Post

Pre-trib was unknown in the early church. It was invented by Darby & co.

False (2 Pet. 2:1). :dizzy:

See:

Revelation Session 01 Introduction Chuck Missler

samuel23 View Post

You can look up pre-trib rapture in the encyclopedia and it will tell you that it was created by John Darby around 1830...



Going to have to look back a bit farther than that.

samuel23 View Post

To those who insist on promoting this false pre-trib rapture, I feel so sorry for you folks...

No one is arguing that you are going in the rapture (1 Thess. 4:16, 17).

samuel23 View Post

Hey SP Read 2Thess 2 and it will tell you that the rapture cannot occur until after the revealing of the Antichrist...

Got that backwards.

Order of Events 2 Thess 2 Missler  

Muzungu256 View Post

...[Y]ou got the old testament saints you got the church you got the tribulation saints...

Old Testament Saints (John the Baptist last one [Lk 7:28]), the church/the bride of Christ, tribulation saints.

We, the church, are overcomers (Re 2-3). The tribulation saints will be overcome (Re 13:7a, 9–10a). In other words, they get their heads chopped off, watch the torture of their loves ones chopping off fingers in front of them one by one. They cannot take the mark of the beast or they will be forever lost--no chance of heaven and become a beast (dna manipulation).

...[Y]ou got 3 raptures...

2 comings: 1. in the clouds--the rapture 2. The Second Coming

...[M]any resurrections...

A first resurrection (better [Re 20:6]) and a second resurrection.

Also see:

Re 19:9-10 McGee, MacArthur

...[S]eparate kingdoms...

Innocence (Ge 1:28), conscience (Ge 3:7), human government (Ge 8:15), Promise (Ge 12:1), law (Ex 19:1), grace (Ac 2:1), kingdom (Re 20:4).

...[A]nd many gospels...

1 Co 15:3-4

Men have always been saved the same way--by grace through faith (see: Hall of Faith [Heb 11]).

...[I]nsane!

2 Ti 1:7

Muzungu256 View Post

Aren't you the same lady who thinks God is bound by time?

Aren't you the one who believes that God is watching a DVD of our lives play out in the sky?

valiant View Post

[Spiritualizes/allagorizes everything] There is a spiritual resurrection...

Do you believe in a physical, literal, bodily resurrection of Jesus? What you mean by spiritual resurrection?

Muzungu256 View Post

That is what I also believe.

Do you believe in a physical, literal, bodily resurrection of Jesus?

valiant View Post

[Do you believe in a physical, literal, bodily resurrection of Jesus?] Yes but in a resurrection glorified body.

Do you believe in a literal Millennial reign by Jesus?

valiant View Post

No, I do not.

valiant View Post

[What you mean by spiritual resurrection?] When He has raised us with Christ and has seated us in Heavenly Places (Eph 2.5-6). Confirmed by Col 3.1.

Does Jesus now have a body?

valiant View Post

As far as we know the answer is yes.

You'd better know. We will be like him. Is replacement theology true?

Israel’s alleged 1967 nuclear ‘doomsday operation’ plan to be revealed

Bladerunner View Post

God gave Satan dominion of the entire earth--only when the 2nd advent happens will Satan be replaced with Jesus.

The Book of Revelation is all about putting everyone where they belong.

valiant View Post

No. the church has not replaced Israel, it is Israel.

Israel is not the church. The church is not Israel. Eph. 3:4–9

valiant View Post

[Israel is not the church. The church is not Israel. Eph. 3:4–9] Well Paul disagrees with you...

I think you mean the Roman Catholic brothel disagrees with me (Jud 11).

VCO View Post Dr. John MacArthur, Jr.
Dr. Adrian Rogers
Dr. Charles Stanley...

All named above reject the movement of the Holy Spirit in the world today. Hope they are/were indwelled themselves. 1 Co 14:39

samuel23 View Post Hi SD, they are not rejecting the movement of the Holy Spirit just the things they see in Pentecostalism that are not of God.

The gift is subject to abuse, no doubt (1 Cor. 14:22–26).

PlainWord View Post We are in the new age called the Millennium.

Who rules and reigns on earth during the Millennium? Rev. 20:1–10

Queue jeopardy theme

PlainWord View Post The Mosaic Age ended meaning the end of the Jewish nation.

Guess Gabriel didn't know what he was talking about (Lk 1:31–33).

samuel23 View Post Who is preaching the word to them...

"...2. What John hears (7:2b–3): The fifth angel instructs the four not to harm the earth or sea until God’s servants have been sealed.
B. The sealed (7:4–8)
1. The total (7:4) : One hundred forty-four thousand are sealed.
2. The tribes (7:5–8): Twelve thousand from each of Israel’s twelve tribes are sealed." Willmington, H. L. (1999). The Outline Bible (Re 7:2–8). Wheaton, IL: Tyndale House Publishers.

valiant View Post ...The mark of the beast was in the Roman 'world'...

Who puts down Rome II?

"...[L]et me quote Dr. Unger from Unger’s Bible Commentary: Zechariah (p. 40):

In line with Daniel’s great prophecies concerning “the times of the Gentiles” (Dan. 2:31–45; 7:2–13) three of the horns in turn and under the punitive hand of God become smiths, while the fourth and last horn is cast down by the world–wide kingdom set up by the returning Christ, coming to dash to pieces His enemies who are at the same time His peoples’ enemies (Ps. 2:1–12). Thus the first horn (Babylon) is cast down by Medo–Persia, the second horn. The second horn (Medo–Persia), accordingly, in turn becomes the first smith. The second horn (Medo–Persia) is cast down by the third horn, and thus becomes the second smith. The third horn (Macedonian Greece), is in turn cast down by the fourth horn (Rome), which thus becomes the third smith. The fourth horn (Rome), the most dreadful of all, does not become a smith but in its revived ten–kingdom form of the last days is destroyed by the fourth smith, the millennial kingdom set up by the returning “King of kings and Lord of lords” (Rev. 19:16).

..." McGee, J. V. (1991). Thru the Bible commentary: The Prophets (Zechariah) (electronic ed., Vol. 32, p. 25). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

valiant View Post Jesus is reigning over the earth (Acts 2.30-36).

Satan said, “I will give you [Jesus] the glory of these kingdoms and authority over them … if you will bow down and worship me.” Lk 4:5–7. Did Jesus say that he had no authority over the kingdoms?

VCO View Post You cannot even imagine the horrors of the Great Tribulation that certainly will come.

Many confuse persecution (par for the course for the Christian) and the Great Tribulation.

See:

A 16 year Boy’s Vision Of The Great Tribulation

Muzungu256 View Post ...[W]hy do Jews agree that Daniel 9:27 was fulfilled...

(2) Second period, 434 years, at which time the Messiah will be crucified (9:26)
(3) Third period, 7 years, a reference to the coming Great Tribulation (9:27) Willmington, H. L. (1999). The Outline Bible (Da 9:25–27). Wheaton, IL: Tyndale House Publishers.

Muzungu256 View Post ...[I]f someone can explain to me how people still die in the millennial kingdom...

Unbelievers die. It's not heaven.

[I]sn't the millennium God's kingdom? Why are the unsaved mortals there?

They also get a choice.

Muzungu256 View Post ...Where does it say Jesus Christ comes back twice?

1 Thess 4:17 (clouds, his feet do not touch the earth, rapture), Zech 14:4 (fault line waiting for a footprint, second coming).

PlainWord View Post [Preterist]

Eph 4:14

See:

What is the preterist view of the end times?

Bookends View Post [Re: preterism] Your wooden literal mind wouldn't understand.

See:

The Purifying Hope, Part 3 by John MacArthur

popeye View Post [Marriage figurative of: God’s union with Israel (Is. 54:5), Christ’s union with His Church (Eph. 5:23–32), blaspheming God] I would not advise anyone to answer this. He is here to malign Jesus. Completely unteachable.

Pr 26:4, Mt 12:36

pckts View Post

[See: Revelation Session 01 Introduction Chuck Missler] I don't go off of Chuck's calendar...

:yawn: He teaches from the scriptures (Eph 4:14).

Sower View Post

[Debate re: pre-trib :dizzy:]

"Look, we'll have landed by the time you get it right." ~ John Hammond, Jurassic Park

The Greatest End-Times Sign - Revelation 12 | September 23, 2017 ... Here's Why. Scott Clarke

September 23, 2017 - Part 1- The Revelation 12 Sign - Unlocking Daniel's Sealed Prophecies God's Roadmap to the End

Flashback:

The first solar eclipse to cross America in 99 years is coming. To some, it’s an act of God.

Related:

America Will Not Repent

unsapien Wrote: [Rapture] No it's worse then that...you hope for it.

Of course we do (Lk 21:36). This isn’t where you want to be when things begin to get bad.
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unsapien Wrote: “Slowing down to get a look at an accident is sad...but...driving down a road hoping that you will see an accident that day is much worse.”

I don’t look at accident scenes. You think we want our loved ones to enter into the tribulation? :squint:

Thumpalumpacus Wrote: [zombie]Sure you wanna take that mark of the beast? [Image: zombiechase.gif]

Related:

Becoming a Beast

Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote: I saw this thread and got all excited...Then I saw it was from 2011...

That was when the watchmen on the wall began to wake up (Am 3:7).

Bucky Ball Wrote: ...Paul too, was hoodwinked...

He didn't have the benefit of John's writing, Revelation.

TheInquisition Wrote: ...Are you asserting that the 2nd coming is on the 23rd of September this year?

The rapture of the church hasn't even happened yet.
[Image: hammer.gif] Do you buy your Day-Timer from China? [Image: dizzy.gif]

Minimalist Wrote: No fair using facts when all the other guy has are fairy tales...

The Re 12 sign in the sky on 23 Sept 17, Feast of Trumpets, isn't physical proof?
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TheInquisition Wrote: Are you asserting that the rapture will occur on the 23rd of September this year?

The rapture is the next event on God's prophetic calendar. If the feasts occur chronologically, then the rapture could occur on the Feast of Trumpets.

Shai Hulud Wrote: ...I'd bet that serpentdove would bet a lot.

If I were a betting person, I'd have to agree with you. Related image


TheInquisition Wrote: Doesn't sound like you are that sure of this alleged prophecy.

I’m pretty sure that Damascus is toast (Is 17, Jer 49:23-24, Re 12, 14). Want to dismiss that, too?


Paul believed he’d be raptured in his lifetime (1 Cor. 15:51). Does that make him a chump for believing that? No. He did not have the benefit of John’s Book of Revelation or Stellarium software. We do (Is 28:9-10).

Nothing needs to happen for the rapture to occur.

OmniConsUme Wrote: ... Prophecy was never to tell the future.

Is 42:9, Rev. 22:10
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dancefortwo Wrote: You're forgetting your omniscient god already knew Julep would make that choice even before time began...

God doesn't see a future that does not yet exist.
[Image: dizzy.gif] Who was Revelation given to? Re 1:1

era Wrote: ..[B]ronze-age mythology...

Bronze age; yes, Nebuchadnezzar dreamed something about that. We're coming up on the toes where you'll be turned into a beast. Good luck with that, nanu nanu.
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unsapien Wrote:
Even if I thought your god was real I could never ally myself with a being that seeks to gain my obedience with threats of torture.


You have no fear.
[Image: idunno.gif] Ps 14:3

unsapien Wrote: [You think we want our loved ones to enter into the tribulation?] If some of them did, do you think they would deserve it?

I know they would deserve it. God is just. We get a new family.


unsapien Wrote: Do you think your god knows what he's doing?

Yes. He has plan. He’s calling out a people for his namesake. Whosoever will will. Whosoever won’t won’t.


Thoreauvian Wrote: I see you bill yourself as a Christian. By your own understanding of the word, what is a Christian?

A Christ-follower. I'm a slave to him (Ro 8:14). You're a slave to sin (Jn 8:34).


jennybee Wrote: …I thought no one knows the day or hour when Jesus will return but for God himself (Matt. 24).

You didn’t keep reading?
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JesseB Wrote: ...[T]he rapture was supposed to happen during the lifetimes of the supposed disciples...

All people from then to now had hope--you're welcome (1 Thess 4:18).
[Image: juggle.gif] What they didn't have is the Re 12 sign appearing in the sky on 23 Sept 17. [Image: watching001.gif]

Let's Get it Started [Image: smileys-hockey-and-ice-hockey-053496.gif] ~ "The Peas" (Porn O'Reilly [Image: old_man-3569.gif])

jennybee Wrote: I got raptured and all I got was this lousy T-shirt.
So you won't hear me.
[Image: blabla.gif] Next stop, listen to the two witnesses. Do not take the mark of the beast and [Image: guillotine01.gif]lay down your life. [Image: carryon.gif]

jennybee Wrote: I'm hearing you. I just think you're full of sh*t.
[Image: rapture.gif] You get 3 1/2 years to choose to have your head chopped off (your best option). After that, those who have had their heads chopped off are gone with the two witnesses [Image: bowser.gif] [Image: bowser.gif] who also laid down their lives.

[Image: write.gif] Then, you try to hide in the earth [Image: smiley438.gif] and are angry. [Image: sozo.gif]). [Image: popcorn.gif]

JesseB Wrote: Sticks n stones lady, sticks n stones.

We agree that we want evil removed from the planet.
:reals: We just disagree about [Image: secret.gif] who that is (Am 5:18-20, Re 11:18). [Image: popcorn.gif]

JesseB Wrote: Who says I want "evil" removed from the world?

You'd like to contribute to it. Again, your choice (Eccl 10:2, Jn 10:10). You get your world--your heyday--to do what you will to Jews and Christians for 3 1/2 years.
[Image: zombiechase.gif] Knock yourself out. [Image: idunno.gif] Mt 18:6

"I prefer clarity to agreement." ~ Dennis Prager

JesseB Wrote: [You won't have fear. Why would I wish to remove your will? Ro 9:22] You're right, I don't have fear. But I do get annoyed...

It's a yes or no question.
[Image: bug_head.gif] Why would I wish to remove your will? Ro 9:22

TheBear Wrote: Carnage, and death, and bloodshed, and beheadings, and agony, and torture, and suffering - coming soon to a planet near you. Stand by for your local listings and times.

Ps 58:10
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JesseB Wrote: What you wish, what you want, what you think, and what you believe are irrelevant.

I agree. What has God said (Eph 4:14).
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TheBear Wrote: ...[T]he usage of 'we believe' groupthink...

Satanists don't have we believe group think? The bible is a black and white book--you are righteous or wicked. Sorry you're in the latter camp.
:granite:

morondog Wrote: ...Pure bullshit from end to end...

Are you able to form a sentence without a description of human copulation or excrement?
Hobo

Clockwork Wrote: I'm glad none of the Christians I personally know believe these Rapture claims when they come out.

Do you know a Christian?
[Image: redface.gif] 1 Thess 5:5-6

OmniConsUme Wrote: ...Fundies gave up on living life.

Lk 19:13

Clockwork Wrote: Can you answer without a verse?

Do you mean a bible verse?
[Image: smoke.gif] Mk 8:38

2017-2018 The Final Jubilee: Season of the Rapture

noble View Post

[Rejects Pre-Trib] The verse says they are in the clouds with the Lord forever...

They are the bride--the church:

Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words (1 Th 4:17-18, NKJV).

Tribulation saints are not raptured. They remain on the earth to be martyred (Re 11:7).

noble View Post

The people who are resurrected in verse 16 [For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first] are raised after the great trib…...

Wrong. Our loved ones who have departed before us rise first. Then, we meet them in the air to be with the Lord.

The rapture of the church is before the tribulation. We are not appointed to wrath: Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth (Re 3:10).

[Tribulation saints are not raptured. They remain on the earth to be martyred (Re 11:7).] I don't call them tribulation saints…...

The church will always be the church--a special group in heaven. Tribulation saints must wait under the alter to be raised when the two witnesses die. When the last martyr gets his head chopped off then there will be no reason for the two witnesses to remain. They too, give up their lives as they instructed the Lord’s followers to do for 3 ½ years. After that time the only ones who remain on the earth are God-haters. Then, a can of seal six opens up for them at the mid-point.

noble View Post

The characteristics of those who are in the first resurrection are listed in Rev 20:4…

These are the tribulation saints not the bride of Christ (the church). They had to wait for the two witnesses to die at the mid-point. The two witnesses had been preaching give up your life so you can live. If men take the mark of the beast--they mix their DNA with beast DNA, they will become a beast. Jesus died for men in Adam not men/beasts. If anyone takes the mark, he cannot be saved. They will have to willingly go to the guillotine to live with the Lord forever. When the last martyr dies, the two witnesses also lay down their lives: They overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto death (Re 12:11).

And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years (Re 20:4).

…and 6.

We, the church, are in the First Resurrection. They, the tribulation saints, are also in the Frist Resurrection. Tribulation saints have to wait under the alter until the two witnesses die: How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? Re 6:10

We have already gone to the throne room of heaven (Re 4).

That restricts the participants to people who have testified about Jesus…

That’s what we’ve been doing. The church has always been persecuted for her faith. Persecution is not the tribulation of Revelation--that is par for the course for a believer.

…[P]eople who resisted the tribulation beast in some way and they are all righteous men...

The church has always resisted the world system. We are hated for our love for Jesus (Eccl 10:2, Jn 10:10). Again, nothing new under the sun. We are not overcome. We are the overcomers (Re 1-3). Tribulation saints are overcome (Re 13:7).

…[T]hat doesn't fit any of my loved ones at all.

If your loved ones believe that Jesus is the Son of God and call out to him, they will be saved (Ro 10:9-13). If they fail to do this prior to the rapture, they will go into the tribulation and will have to lose their head if they are ever to be saved.

There are no resurrections of the dead until the coming and the 'caught up'…

Then who were all of those dead people walking after Jesus rose? He is the firstfruit. To be a firstfruit, there must be additional numbers. We, the church, are the main harvest. The tribulation saints are the corners. We are the barley harvest. The Jews are the wheat harvest. Owners could not glean the corners of their fields legally. There’s a certain way that we all come into the kingdom.

Jesus told them to flee from Judea…

Are you a Jew? You’re not fleeing anywhere. You’re in Christ or you’re not. The Jews currently reject the New Testament. When the Lord places his foot on the Mt. of Olives (there is a fault line there), there will be a crack in the earth. Satan attempts to drown the Jews in a flood. The earth opens up and protects them. They (the Jews not you) now believing the New Testament, flee. The Jews who do not believe die.

I would think you would call Christians on earth ...'church' too.

If you remain, you were not of the church. The evidence is your still being here after the rapture. You weren’t the church. You’ll never be the church. Don’t buy pearls—they’re not a picture of you.

The church is the church. The tribulations saints are the tribulation saints.

Earth-dwellers are Satan’s children. They murder tribulation saints in the first 3 ½ years. Jews aren’t given the opportunity to lose their heads and die. They; rather, are enslaved--women are raped and the Lord comes to their rescue at the mid-point.

Anyone still around at the mid-point is a God-hater (they’ve been murdering tribulation saints and raping Jewish women). After the Lord comes to protect his people, the Babylonia system goes down. He is the stone that puts down Nebuchadnezzar’s statue--Babylonian system finished.

Rod.ney View Post

Once they get to those clouds...

Does that remind you of the Jews and the Shakina glory? :Shimei: It should.

[After receiving glorified bodies]…[T]hey are then no longer in those clouds…

Why would we stay in the clouds? We go to the throne room.

…I will follow the Lord in order to be with Him…

If you are his, you will join him in the clouds. If you are an unbeliever or a make-believer, you will not.

…[T]o get ready for His Wedding (Rev.19:7-8 )…

We invite the tribulation saints. I don't mind setting a table.

…[T]he created the New earth…

Created at the mid-point. The earth will have been poisoned by radiation.

Rapture Update Alan Horvath

Is the USA in the Bible? Great American Eclipse Aug 21st, 2017 a Real End Time Sign? Steve Cioccolanti & Discover Ministries

TomL replied

There is no pretribulation rapture…

Something about the Re 12 sign that bothers you? :smokie:2 Pe 2:1

GISMYS View Post

There is no teaching of bible prophecy whatsoever.

Our churches are full of weaklings and fools because of you. The people that are supposed to be salt and light to the world are neither.

You know Satan sends his workers out too, don’t you? :squint: Mark 4:15

davidbrainerd View Post

Right, the time is short, so make sure to waste it all teaching eschatology nonsense rather than the gospel.

Case in point (2 Pe 2:1).

GISMYS View Post

Critical Warning to all Pastors and Bible Teachers. Give the people Truth and warn of the cost of sin and the lateness of the hour as rapture day is very near!

Highest rapture watch in our lifetime (Re 12:1-5). :idunno:

GISMYS View Post

[Cut & paste repeating self]

You already said this. :squint:

GISMYS View Post

Yes! Now you have no excuse!

I didn't have any excuse before your post (Ro 1:20). :dizzy:

Odë:hgöd View Post

Jonah 1:17 . . Yhvh provided a great fish to swallow Jonah, and Jonah was inside the fish three days and three nights....

Nineveh repented. What will America do? Is 18:2

TomL View Post

The catching up of believers transpires after the resurrection of those that are Christ's...

They precede us. We meet them in the air (1 Cor. 15:52; 1 Thess. 4:13, 14, 16).

Confirmation Report: Abba Up! Zeus Mossbender

simplicio View Post

And just what is the correct ba'al for the former Mrs. Trump?

Mrs. Trump lives down the street in a hut. She will be former (your word) when the Donald :greedy: dies (Rom. 7:2, 3).

“I prefer clarity to agreement.” ~ Dennis Prager

Many Christians argue that they are not bound by the Old Testament laws…

When did God nail do not murder, do not commit adultery to the cross? :smokie:

…[T]he release from the law occurred at the cross.

Mal 4:4-6, Mt 24:14 :juggle:

See:

Lordship

simplicio replied

Cool another end times allusion. Hmm.

I always confuse tall and smooth of skin with ugly giant bags of mostly water.

Rapture (The Catching Away)

halotop replied

Serpent dove, do you mean to suggest that these verses should be interpreted literally?...100% literal interpretation of 100% of the Bible creates fragile, dogmatic theology and prevents dialogue with the text.

You mean God doesn't have feathers? :freak: Ps 61:4. Thank you ever so. :dizzy:

See:

Hermeneutics

TomL View Post

[What is the day of the Lord?]

A bad time (Am 5:18).

Revelation 12 Daily Interview with Tribulation Now Radio l September 23 2017 Alignment Pt 1, Pt 2, Pt 3 Parable of the Vineyard

Reply to Not-So-Informed Christians

Paul linked the rapture with the Feast of Trumpets (1 Co 15:52). He didn't say, be on the grape watch, be on the fig watch, have oil in your lamp and spare oil on the side and a coupon to Grease Monkey.

See:

Appointed to Hope: The Bridegroom Has Not Tarried  

Reply to Kelly

…I do not believe that the Trump of God is a man-made horn blown on Rash Hashanah.

Rosh Hashanah is not a term which is used in scripture. For a Jew, "at the last trump" refers to a feast day--The Feast of Trumpets--no one knows the day or hour. Re 12:1-3 connects Ge 3:15 to Is 66:7, etc. Valles does not appear to have eyes to see and ears to hear what the spirit is saying to the churches.

...If feast days is what you want to focus on then I suggest you learn the names of them.

I suggest you learn your bible. :dizzy: "...It was not until about the second century C.E. that the holiday acquired the name Rosh HaShanah, which first appeared in the Mishnah. Before then, however, the day had many other designations. The oldest name, found in the Torah (Numbers 29:1) is Yom T’ruah (Day of Sounding the Shofar). Two other names, undoubtedly reflecting Babylonian influence, were Yom HaZikaron (Day of Remembrance) and Yom HaDin (Day of Judgment)..." Full text:

Please consider that When you go around saying " for those who have eyes to see and ears to hear" you are making a big statement. Humble yourself and study.

The watchmen have been studying the Re 12 sign for some time. They also watch for the false teachers who would point you away from it like Valles. The sign is great (Re 12:1). Grapes and figs--not so great. :idunno: Learn what it means and why it's there (Re 1:1).

I take it you are young so I want to encourage you to keep reading and pray.

:yawn: Argument from age Eph 4:14

Hey I'm glad your [sic] doing some research now. Its cool that you didn't understand Rosh Hashanah…

:yawn: Proof please (Eph 4:14).

Reply to 1FourYeshua

Note of interest: This may be where some people get their understanding that Revelation 12 is not a mid-trib chapter but rather the beginning...

I agree. It kicks it all off. There is a good possibility that we will be raptured on or around 23 Sep 17.

Reply to Teral

The Lord’s return is not based on “the next cycle” of the “black star”. The Day of the Lord is the start of the Great Tribulation which lasts for 7 years. You said “we don’t have warning signs”. Yes we do (Re 12:1-3) which you’ve been pointing views away from (2 Pe 2:1). We didn’t ask for a sign. We weren’t looking for a sign—we got one anyway.

“This time it [crossing event] happens before the sun turns dark.”

You claim to have science on your side. The science says that the sun has been turning dark (not that that is necessarily a fulfillment of prophecy yet).

See:

Dark Sun Rising Zeus Mossbender

“Nobody sees other than Paul...”

Paul wasn’t permitted to reveal what he saw regarding end times. It hadn’t been unsealed (Dan 9:24) yet (2 Co 12:4). :dizzy: Now, it is unsealed (Re 22:10). :Poly:

"It's coming...like a thief in night...

Not to the believer (1 Thess 5:4). :hammer:

“The time in-between [crossings] is the Day of the Lord…”

The greater destruction does not come until the second half of Daniel’s 70th week (3 ½ years into the tribulation). The church is long gone. :rapture:

We escape the wrath (Re 3:10). Jesus doesn’t say, let’s get engaged; now go get beat the hell up, and then let’s have dinner. :dizzy:

“As a thousand years…as long as it takes…”

Jesus will rule and reign for a literal 1000 years. Man had his chance. We see what a bang up job he did.

The Lord is not waiting on a second crossing event to fulfill prophecy. :hammer: Once the rapture occurs (likely on or around 23 Sep 17), the time is set, events and their duration are known. When the church is gone (Re 4), the rapture God returns to his plan for Israel.

“The Virgo prophecies will be fulfilled at the end of the age…”

The “woman” prophecy is being fulfilled on 23 Sep 17.

"People who thought...the world was going to end in September..."

:yawn: Strawman (Eph 4:14).

The world does not end. The church is removed and the tribulation begins.

"...'Wait a minute it didn't happen that way.' It's not going to happen that way."

We'll know how it happened on 24 Sep 17 (2 Pe 2:1).

[Survival group]

You tell your follows to solidity their relationships with other survival members (no mention of having a right relationship with Jesus). If they're still here, they were unbelievers or make-believers. :reals: Make friends with these folks? :granite:

"All we can do is prepare for the threat that is in our face."

That would be my Lord returning with wrath. When he sees me, he will smile.

:straight: What will his expression be when he sees you? Rom. 2:5–8

afaithfulone4u View Post

You will have 40 days…to repent and turn to God once the sign from God being the eclipse on the 21st of August before the Door (Salvation through Christ) is shut, and all hell breaks loose.

Is this your, Thus sayeth the Lord prediction?

We are to be watching and knowing the signs.

We are not to be saying Thus sayeth the Lord (2 Pe 2:1).

Just the facts ma'am. :peach: Joe 2:31

America: Writing on the Wall

The Convergence Of Signs In 2017 Unsealed

Is Hurricane Harvey Divine Reaction to Latest US Mid-East Peace Push?

Mid-East Prophecy Update JD Farag

Connections between the Eclipse & Hurricane Harvey El Shaddai 

Jeeper View Post

And after 41 days when things a carrying on as normal...

You have a crystal ball? Jas 4:15

"Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed." ~ Darth Vader

America View Post

Nope. Just the infallible record of failure on the part of Christians...

What does that have to do with Jesus' return for his bride? :straight: 2 Pe 3:4

What does that have to do with the 100%-reliable failure of the prophecy in the OP?

He gave us his Thus sayeth the Lord moment on 18 Aug 17. :squint:

Reply to Valles

“And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring; men’s hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near.” Lk 21:25–28.

This is the Second Coming not the rapture. The church is caught up together to meet the Lord in the air (1 Thess 4:17). The rapture is not the Second Coming. The Second Coming is not the rapture.  

See:

The Truth About the Rapture: Part 3 Harpazo Rapturo

juglans1 View Post

... Harold Camping et al saved the world by their prayer requests and for postponing the Rapture.

The Lord is returning right on time (2 Pe 3:3). :straight:

afaithfulone4u View Post

I never meant that everyone would be gone in 41 days... I said all hell will break loose.

Did God tell you this audibly? :freak: What if America repents? Jon 3:10

America View Post

[He gave us his Thus sayeth the Lord moment on 18 Aug 17. :squint:] The Lord (re: author of the OP) is wrong, and we can know this with surety.

The Lord is right in all things. We have yet to see if our wanna prophet is right about his prediction.

America replied

… Y'all do this all the time, and you never learn.

I’ve never set a destruction for America or rapture date. :dizzy: Nevertheless, I think that there is a high likely hood that the church will be raptured this Feast of Trumpets. Can we get these things wrong? Sure, we’re human. We err.

Every generation has had a blessed hope—that’s a good thing. God is gracious.

awsmmix replied

I can't think of any Christians who put any stock at all in these kinds of predictions.

The Re 12 sign is not 'these kinds of predictions’. :hammer: It is unique. It’s coming. Deal with it. :juggle: Churches aren’t talking about end times and that’s unfortunate.

America View Post

...[Y]ou guys have failed with every prediction you've made, so it's safe to dismiss this one...

:yawn: I don’t know that you’re hearing Christians making these predictions. :dizzy:
I don’t know what the future holds for America. :idunno: Look at our leader. :greedy: Look at our First Concubine. Heb 13:4
It is my guess that she will be judged. :5020: The righteous are ready to go to be with the Lord :rapture: and the wicked are ready to be judged.

It's one thing to think that maybe some event is a sign of some impending second event…

Not what he said. He said: “You only have 40 days once the eclipse takes place.”

…[I]t's quite another to make the prediction with the same amount of faith as you have in scripture.

Scripture gave us Re 12. It is being fulfilled on 23 Sept 17. What’s your point?

Barry Scarbrough

harry View Post

[Predictions 40 days to Yom Kipper] ...[W]hen people say " God bless America". I wonder, why would He?

Are you even going to give us the 40 days to repent?

Winman View Post

I took this photo of the eclipse from Torrington, Ct. at peak around 2:40 PM EST. Link

inertia View Post

Did the dog wearing solar protection filters even look at the sun? If so, did the dog show appreciation for what was displayed?

No, :sigh: but even he is praying (well not praying) and fasting now--no more Frosty Paws ice cream until we're home in heaven. :rapture:

harry View Post

What does that have to do with what people say?

Has afaithfulone4u been established a prophet in America? 1 Sa 3:20

afaithfulone4u View Post

[Has afaithfulone4u been established as a prophet in America? 1 Sa 3:20] The True church is built upon the revelation of the Word from God, by His Spirit, not Peter nor any man.

:yawn: Non sequitur (Eph 4:14).

harry View Post

He might be a prophet in the world.

B. The Unifier (4:7–16): The work of Christ brings all these things together.
1. His gifts to believers (4:7–11)
a. When these gifts were given (4:7–10): It was after his ascension.
b. What these gifts were (4:11)
(1) Apostleship (4:11a)
(2) Prophets (4:11b)
(3) Evangelists (4:11c)
(4) Pastors and teachers (4:11d)
2. His goal for believers (4:12–16)
a. That they be equipped (4:12)
b. That they be mature (4:13)
c. That they be settled (4:14–16)

Willmington, H. L. (1999). The Outline Bible (Eph 4:6–16). Wheaton, IL: Tyndale House Publishers.

junkyardboy replied

[I]n the OT if one claimed 'thus saith the Lord' and failed he would be stoned…

Ps 11:3

Josheb View Post

This is a question specifically for pretribulational Dispensational Premillennialists and pretribulational Dispensational Premillennialists alone. When do you think the rapture will occur?

On or around 23 Sept 17.:juggle:

Truth7t7 View Post

...The false teaching of Jesus Christ returning on a white horse...

“Re 6:2…[T]his is an imitation of Christ, this is one who pretends to be Christ, who comes forth.

We are moving today in the direction of a world dictator. More and more is this true. All the nations of the world are disturbed. Lawlessness abounds, and governments are not able to control as they should. This is all preparing the way for the coming of one who is going to rule.” McGee, J. V. (1991). Thru the Bible commentary: The Prophecy (Revelation 6-13) (electronic ed., Vol. 59, p. 40). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

Bob Carabbio View Post

...Eschatology is nothing more that another term for "rank speculation"...

Is that all the thought that you're going to put into it? You're going with that? :o 1 Thess 5:4

You can put all the thought into it that you want…

Image he gets here and you didn’t even bother to open his 66 loves letters to you. Not the position I want to be in. :idunno:

...If you know what's going to happen, that by all means let us know. We'll add your opinion to the pile.

That will come up again (Re 20:11). :scripto:

Josheb View Post

[Question for dispies] Thank you very much for the brief and concise answer to the question asked.

Are you really back at the: pre-trib, mid-trib, post trib debate when the Re 12 sign is appearing in 32 days? :dizzy: 2 Pe 2:1

GISMYS View Post

Church pastors, give people warning so that they have time to get ready to meet Jesus!

It's a shame that they are not doing this. :nono:

...Very near rapture!

I agree (1 Co 5:7).

Rod.ney View Post

Christ hands the Kingdom over in His New Creation...

The Babylonian kingdom is put down when he stands on the mount of Olives (Zech 14:4).

We give thanks to you, Lord God Almighty, the One who is and who was, because you have taken your great power and have begun to reign (Re 11:17).

afaithfulone4u View Post

...[H]ow will His wrath be shown unto man?

It's stored up (Rom. 2:5-8); so, I'm guessing--pretty bad.

inertia View Post

I see. So, Never A Straight Answer was right…...

About what? Dropping bacteria (Paenibacillus xerothermodurans) on us during the eclipse? :idunno:

Never say never…

Now that can deal with that incoming asteroid. Think they’ll try to move one of those out the way or will they just run for their rat holes? :think:

bessyboo View Post

[Re 12 sign] Thousands upon thousands are seeking and learning...Yes, knowledge is advancing greatly.

It is.

Your watchmen shall lift up their voices,
With their voices they shall sing together;
For they shall see eye to eye
When the Lord brings back Zion.
Break forth into joy, sing together,
You waste places of Jerusalem!
For the Lord has comforted His people,
He has redeemed Jerusalem (Is 52:8-9).

TomL View Post

Answers in Genesis addresses this and it is not favorable...

Guess they're going to need the Holy Spirit (John 14:26). :idunno:

TribulationSigns View Post

Scott Clarke is one of many amateur YouTubers ...

:yawn: Eph 4:14, 1 Co 1:27

ziggy33200 View Post

The rapture however will not be taking place on September 23rd or anytime soon thereafter.

You fulfill prophecy (2 Pe 3:4). :scripto:

ziggy33200 View Post

...People like to look for earthly events.

Actually we don't :straight:(Mt 16:4)-- :listen: which is why this (Re 12:1-3) is so significant (Re 1-2).

TribulationSigns View Post

Because of his position and predication, I consider him as false prophet…

:yawn: What has he prophesied? :dizzy: He’s set no date for the rapture.

By the way, God’s prophets have been wrong. :hammer:

See:

The Most Outstanding Prophetic Passage  J. Vernon McGee

…[B]ecause his interpretation on Revelation 12 is not biblical to begin with anyway…...

:yawn: Poisoning the well Eph 4:14

…I already disputed his position…

:yawn: Non causae ut causae Eph 4:14

…Like it or not, see you on September 24th, 2017.

Maybe. :idunno: Maybe not (2 Pe 2:1).:rapture:

TribulationSigns View Post

…They will keep coming back with new dates…

:yawn: Clarke has not set a date for the rapture. :dizzy: He has discovered the Re 12 sign appearing in the sky on 23 Sept 17. You’re welcome (Eph 4:14).

…[A]nd new interpretations…

:yawn: Take it up with Daniel (Dan 9:24) and John (Re 22:10).

...[W]ithout apologize for making false predication.

:yawn: Clarke has never made a false prediction. :hammer: In fact, he was the guy out there on the threads telling people that the celestial event did not line up in years past. This year it does. You’re welcome (Eph 4:14).

…They usually explain away claiming that they are closer to the truth or get "revelation" from God…

:yawn: Baptists have been dissing the Holy Spirit for years. :reals: It’s no wonder the Holy Spirit does not reveal such things to mockers. Maybe they’d like to become Pentecostal right about now (2 Pe 2:1).

…[W]hen they really are not.

:yawn: The watchmen woke up in 2008 and they’ve been advising the public since that time. You’re welcome (Eph 4:14).

This is the nature of false prophets…

:yawn: You’re projecting again (Eph 4:14). :noway: A false prophet does not have the indwelled Holy Spirit. Clarke does. :straight: Prinsloo does (God’s Roadmap to the End). :straight:

Reply to Valles

I hope you're not waiting for the grape harvest--wrong harvest.

See:

The Mystery of The Fullness Of The Gentiles | Let's Rightly Divide This Already! Clarke

VeggieTales: We Are The Grapes of Wrath

TribulationSigns View Post

He [Clarke] discovered the wrong sign. He misapplied it.

:yawn: He is on recording debating this in threads saying when it will not appear and now when it is in fact appearing.

The sign in Revelation 12 is not something we need to look for…...

You won’t look into it further. Others will (Matt. 25:1-13).

That is foolish...

:yawn: The teachings of men are foolish (Eph 4:14).

…[H]e is prophesying something that God has not said…

:yawn: Clarke is a fine servant of the Lord (2 Tim. 2:15).

…[Y]et you claim that he may have [the] Holy Spirit to reveal this?

He is led by the Holy Spirit (John 14:26). It’s not about Clarke. It’s about Jesus. The sign is there for all to see on 23 Sept 17.

JDS View Post

No Earthly Reign of Jesus Christ? Are You Sure?

He begins to rule and reign at the mid-point of Daniel's 70th week (Re 11:17), Second Coming/Atonement, and his reign continues to Tabernacles/New Jerusalem comes out of heaven.

JDS replied:

…[D]id Jesus reign over the house of Jacob when he came the first time to the earth…[?]

But upon mount Zion shall be deliverance, and there shall be holiness; and the house of Jacob shall possess their possessions [Obad. 17].

“But upon mount Zion shall be deliverance.” Salvation is to be offered upon Mount Zion for the world. That is where it is offered to you and me today. The Lord Jesus came and died on Golgotha for you and me. He is coming back to this earth again. Although we are told that at that time His feet shall stand on the Mount of Olives, He will be coming into Jerusalem, and He will, I believe, rule from the top of Mount Zion.

“And there shall be holiness.” There is no holiness there today. I have been on Mount Zion half a dozen times, and I have not found any holiness there. They are just as far from God there as they are over in the Arab section of the old city of Jerusalem. There is no holiness there today, but there shall be holiness when the Lord Jesus reigns.

“And the house of Jacob shall possess their possessions.” I like this expression. They are not possessing their possessions today. They are in the land—that’s true. They have a nation—that’s true. They’ve returned to the land, but they have not returned to God, and as a result they do not possess their possessions. There is a great deal of difference between having a possession and possessing it. McGee, J. V. (1991). Thru the Bible commentary: The Prophets (Amos/Obadiah) (electronic ed., Vol. 28, p. 140). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

TomL View Post

What right do you have to break off the seventieth week of Daniel's prophesy...

The 70th week begins after the church is raptured. :dizzy: God returns to his plans for Israel. It's not about us. It's about them.

SethProton View Post

[Zech 13 discussion in bible study]

“[W]e saw in chapter 12 that in “that day” God would pour out His Spirit upon the people of Israel. The prophet Joel spoke of that also. It is at this time that the “fountain” will be opened to them, which will be when they realize the fact that Christ was crucified for them. We have seen that they are going to look upon Him. Remember that this is God’s Word, and He puts it very definitely, “They shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him.” It is going to be a real Day of Atonement for these people when Christ comes the second time. They are going to be greatly moved, and the Spirit of God will remove the veil from their eyes.” McGee, J. V. (1997). Thru the Bible commentary (electronic ed., Vol. 3, p. 980). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

The Jews will have 20/20 vision at the mid-point (atonement) when Jesus steps on the mount of Olives. This is his second coming—not the rapture. We would have departed 3 ½ years prior to that (likely on or around 23 Sept 17 [trumpets]). 3 ½ years after that is tabernacles—he resigns for 1000 years.

Thanks for the input. Let's see if I can get more comments and scripture backup from more posters...

:thumb: We also just studied this book in our group--God's perfect timing. :jump:

SethProton View Post

...We are just a few weeks away from beginning Mathew.

We were supposed to quote a bible verse at church and the pastor reminded everyone to keep it short. I thought I’d start with genealogies in Matthew :blabla: until someone cut the mic. :skeptic:

Head up. When you get to: David the king begot Solomon by her who had been the wife of Uriah (Mt 1:6)--do not fail to mention that David stole Uriah’s wife and God stated Mt 1:6 correctly. People like to make it up as they go along; but, God won't allow it. :Poly:

TomL View Post

Can you show me where in his prophesy Daniel says that?

Dan 9

"b. The nature (9:25-27): These years will fall into three categories:
(1) First period, 49 years, during which Jerusalem will be rebuilt (9:25)
(2) Second period, 434 years, at which time the Messiah will be crucified (9:26)
(3) Third period, 7 years, a reference to the coming Great Tribulation (9:27)" Willmington, H. L. (1999). The Outline Bible (Da 9:24-27). Wheaton, IL: Tyndale House Publishers.

 

Reply to Valles

You point away from the Re 12 sign (2 Pe 2:1). The watchmen point to the Re 12 sign.

Pain (tribulation) comes after the birth (the body raptured to heaven) :dizzy: --likely on or around 23 Sept 17.

Before she was in labor, she gave birth; before her pain came, she delivered a male child (Is 66:7).

See:

Where is the Dragon?

davidbrainerd View Post

Lots of videos on YouTube claiming that some sign of Virgo something…...

The woman, Virgo (Re 12:1-2).

…[S]omething on Sept 23rd 2017 will be the fulfillment of the vision in Revelation 12, and that it means the rapture will occur at that time. Does anyone on here believe that?

It’s a good possibility. Those who are not Sardis, will look into it.

TomL replied

All this false date setting is making Christians look bad...

:yawn: You’re projecting again (Eph 4:14). :noway: Why don’t you know the day and hour? :idunno: Will he comes as a thief in the night to you? :reals: 1 Thess 5:5

See:

Rejoran replied

Just the latest in a long line of disappointed predictions that have lasted for centuries…

Just the latest in a long line of mocking that has lasted for centuries (2 Pe 3:4). :reals: I’ve never set a rapture date, myself. :idunno: I believed in imminentcy all this time--as God apparently wanted for his church so that they could have a blessed hope.

Then, the Re 12 sign appeared. The watchmen paid attention to what the spirit is saying to the churches.

Rejoran View Post

...[W]e're scoffing September 23rd, which is not in the Bible.

That'll come up again (Re 20:11). :scripto:

Now a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a garland of twelve stars. Then being with child, she cried out in labor and in pain to give birth (Re 12:1-2).

Download a free astronomy app and run through thousands and thousands of years yourself (Dan 12:4, Ac 17:11). :dizzy:

It is not a small thing as your money-loving 501c3 churches would have you believe (Mt 6:24). :greedy:

If your pastor does not warn you, he will answer to God (1 Pe 4:5). We know Jesus is coming. :blabla: Tell them why you know--if you know :reals: or go out and make an honest living.

davidbrainerd replied

How is it a good possibility?

Ask the Holy Spirit (Ro 8:14). :juggle: The dead in Christ rise first; so, we know that Baptists will precede us (1 Thess 4:16 [Geraci]).

Who is the child the woman is about to have on Sept 23rd?

Jesus is the head (Dan. 7:13, 14). We are the body (Luke 1:34, 35). Could we be born in a moment? That’s crazy talk (Is 66:8).

Unless she's going to give birth [to] disappointment…

Disappointment :idunno: the church Is 26:18

…the disappointment of the false date setters…

I have nothing to lose. My faith :idunno: remains intact. :listen: Here’s what you have to loose—your head (Re 11:7).

I guess the Sept 24th issue of the Enquirer will say "Woman from sky with 12 stars on her head gives birth to alien baby."

1 Pe 2:11 Then comes your strong delusion (2 Thess 2:11)--We’ve been taken by ET, the demon with a heart light. Good luck with that. :granite:

TribulationSigns replied

Here you go, you are trying to interpret Revelation 12 based on astronomy. Bad move, because that is not what God meant for us to do!

Take it up with Moses: Then God said, “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons [מֹועֵד appointed times] (Ge 1:14a).

The foolish virgins knows that Christ is coming, but because of lack of oil (holy spirit) they are not able to discern the true signs of His Coming which will not find in space!

:yawn: You’re projecting again :noway: (Eph 4:14).

Space the final frontier…

...We are Pakleds. We make things go. :freak: ~ Star Trek, The Next Generation

Reply Valles:

September 23rd…no, that’s the end date...

False (2 Pet. 2:1). :dizzy:  September 23rd, fulfills Re 12:1-2 sign. That is the beginning date.

See:

Parenthetical chapters

…They keep thinking, ‘Oh, our Lord delayeth his coming…

:yawn: You’re projecting again :noway: (Eph 4:14). The watchmen have been watching :Plain: for the Re 12 sign for years. You told your viewers: fall, then winter, then spring, then summer—and repeated your so-called watchmen series all over again.

He wants us to be looking at the time we are at right now.

When the Re 12 sign appeared, the doctrine of imminentcy went out the window. The watchmen spent their time studying again all that they thought they knew.

They keep censoring and they keep changing God’s word.

:yawn: Proof please (Eph 4:14). :peach:

Clarke, Prinsloo and others fine servants of the Lord have rightly divided the word.

It’s not like we’re waiting for a sign to happen. It’s already going on right now.

The sign occurring on 23 Sept 17 could be the rapture of the church. If it’s not minimally—God is telling us something.

Revelation 12…We see it already going on. We’re not waiting ‘til September 23rd to see if this checks out. It’s already going on right now…

Re 12-1-2 is very specific:

Now a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a garland of twelve stars. Then being with child, she cried out in labor and in pain to give birth (Re 12:1–2).

We saw the sign starting. It’s not as though it’s going to just appear on September 23rd.

We know the time and date when the prophecy will be fulfilled. That is on 23 Sept 17.

We even saw the sign starting. It’s not as though it’s going to just appear on September 23rd, no it appeared months ago.

A comet came into the womb and went out again during the ‘conception’ phase (another unique event which resembles a human conception—a flash of light occurs).

The specific sign of Re 12:1-2 is to be fulfilled on 23 Sept 17.

TribulationSigns replied

...[F]alse doctrines can be anywhere…

:yawn: Including on CARM (2 Pe 2:1, Eph 4:14). :noway: Study to show yourself approved (2 Ti 2:15). :Poly:

afaithfulone4u View Post

[Jesus’ return] …[M]any Christians are making the same error, expecting a gentle Lamb that accepts everyone no matter what sinful lifestyle they continue in.

:straight: He’s got a smile for me :listen: --not the same for night crawlers...I mean earth-dwellers (Stegeman).

For the Lord is a God of recompense; he will surely repay (Je 51:56).

GISMYS View Post
Time and the world is about to change and never be the same again.

September 23rd 2017 in 3 Minutes: The Revelation 12 sign What you need to know Parable of the Vineyard

GISMYS View Post

Jesus is about to return for those looking for Him…

Those with oil in their lamps are watching (Re 3:3).

Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth (Rev. 3:10).

We're in the team picture (Mt 24:34).

GISMYS View Post

[When the fig tree blossoms, Israel is reborn]

It's interesting (Re 12:1-2).

GISMYS View Post

[Interesting] I posted God's Word! What did you post?

You posted a cut and paste--as you usually do (Eph 4:14).

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TribulationSigns View Post

[Re 12 sign, interesting] No, it is not. It’s deception [of] which you are a victim.

You won’t watch (Re 3:3). I will.

“I prefer clarity to agreement.” ~ Dennis Prager

I will see you on September 24th here to prove you belief wrong.

You sound like that dragon seeking to devour us (Re 12:4, Jn 8:44). :reals:

Don’t hate me because I’m beautiful. :straight: Is. 62:5

TribulationSigns View Post
You are using this as an excuse that Christ's coming is based on rebirth of national Israel and then add 70 years to it.

:yawn: Strawman (Eph 4:14).

TribulationSigns View Post

[You sound a lot like that dragon seeking to devour us (Re 12:4, Jn 8:44)] Revelation 12 nothing to do with my testimony…

You go down in history as a mocker (2 Pe 3:4). I go down in history as a Magi (Matt. 25:1-13).

…[Y]ou will be disappointed.

My disappointment is past (1 Thess. 4:16, 17). :rapture: Yours is yet future (Re 6-18).

…[Y]ou sound...self-delusional…

:yawn: 2 Ti 1:7

TribulationSigns View Post

[Israel, fig tree, interesting] ...[Y]ou got wrong Israel.

:yawn: State my position on Israel (Eph 4:14). :peach:

TribulationSigns View Post

[State my position on Israel (Eph 4:14).] ...Your position is with wrong Israel.

:chz4brnz:

:yawn: What do I think about Israel and the fig tree? Is 66:8. Do tell (Eph 4:14). Even I'm interested to know at this point. :jump:

Reply to Terral

The Virgo prophecy…

It’s called the Revelation 12 alignment (2 Pe 2:1). :freak:

Joel sees very well into the day of the Lord but he doesn’t see inside this mystery time…Joel is talking about when the black star comes on the next orbit cycle…

You don’t see that the Revelation 12 sign kicks off the tribulation. Re 12 is a parenthetical chapter.

Destruction of the earth occurs at the mid-point of the 7 year tribulation (seal 6 opening). The church will have been gone for 3 ½ years prior to that point having been raptured.

…We’re nowhere near the end of the age.

When the church is raptured (likely on or around 23 Sep 17), the seven year tribulation begins.

The day of the Lord is just now starting…

When the church is raptured, the day of the Lord begins for Israel. It is Jacob’s trouble (not Sam or Sally’s trouble). It is about Israel not the church. The church goes in the rapture. The only people remaining are Jews and tribulation saints.

Watch the thief in the night video…

If the Lord comes as a thief in the night to you, that will have meant that you were not in Christ. If you are left behind, no rat hole will save you from those who will chop off your head. The church had overcome (Re 12:11). Tribulation saints will have to overcome (Re 11:7).

…When you understand the differences between the two gospels…

Ga 1:8

The two churches…

There is one church. The church will always be the church and tribulation saints will always be tribulation saints. The church and tribulation saints are not the same thing.

The four baptisms…

Eph 4:5

Reply to Fellowship of the Mystery

"Are you recommending Scottie's vids? Really? The same Scottie that's been a failed YouTube "prophesy expert" for years and every single time his predictions fail…"

:yawn: False (Eph 4:14).  He refuted others on the threads who had been claiming that the Re 12 sign was coming earlier.

…Why would God use a pagan-goddess constellation Virgo…

Astronomy not astrology (Ge 1:14). :dizzy:

...The god of this world (2 Cor 4:4) is working overtime on this one.

Counterfeiting astrology for astronomy. :freak: He as no raw materials. 2 Co 2:11  

Reply to Valles:

The lines that connect the dots…that is not the border of Virgo…

Women are not stick figures. :dizzy: Babies move around in the womb and even kick—Jupiter, in fact, moved a touch outside of the lines of Virgo like a kick; but, women are not made of lines. :hammer: They get larger during pregnancy so if Jupiter pops out a big—that is to be expected.

Matthew 24…a lot of people are confused about that chapter…

In Mt 24 when he comes ‘with the clouds…every eye will see him’ [Re 1:7], this is his Second Coming. The rapture will have occurred 3 ½ years earlier (‘in the air’ 1 Thess 4:17) likely on or around 23 Sept 17.

Isaiah…[is] not what’s being talked about in Revelation 12.

The sound of noise from the city! A voice from the temple!

The voice of the Lord, Who fully repays His enemies!

[The Lord himself, with an assembling shout, with archangel's voice and with trump of God (Thess 4:16)]

“Before she was in labor, she gave birth;

[birth first, then labor—the tribulation]

Before her pain came,

She delivered a male child.

[Baby (the church) born and caught up to heaven first, then he returns to his program for Israel]

Who has heard such a thing?

Who has seen such things?

[Usually it’s the other way around]

Shall the earth be made to give birth in one day?

[Lots of people gone]

Or shall a nation be born at once?

[A nation—a people born again—us, the church] Is 66:6–8.

No travail, no pain—a baby.

The seals have not been opened yet. :dizzy:

We have brought forth wind…

Wind—us (Is 26:18), :straight: baptized by one sprit (Acts 2:2)--the church (Ac 2:2).

Revelation…it is different. They are not the same.

The church is a mystery. She came onto the scene as a mystery and she departs as a mystery. This is not about us. We’re outta here, likely on or around 23 Sept 17. :rapture: This is about Israel.

You find a lot of false teachers out there who want to move the signs and change the signs.

You’re projecting again (Eph 4:14).

The Second Coming is not the rapture. The rapture is not the Second Coming.

Signs are given for a reason…

You had said earlier don’t look at the Re 12 sign. Which is it? Watch or don’t watch? :hammer: Re 3:3

The sign takes place in the middle of the book…

Re 12 is a parenthetical chapter. :dizzy:

They make up all sorts of new stuff that goes with it [the Revelation 12 sign]…

Daniel sealed up the prophecy (Dan 9:24). John unsealed the prophecy (Re 22:10). Knowledge has increased as Daniel said it would and the watchmen led by the spirit (Ro 8:14) have advised others.

The Revelation 12 sign is right in the middle…

It kicks the whole thing off.

You’re going to be seeing that [the Revelation 12 sign] for months before the sign even finishes…

The prophecy is complete on a specific time and day which happens to be the Feast of Trumpets. The baby (Jupiter) will have been in the woman’s womb (Virgo) for 9 months like a human pregnancy. The church will likely be raptured and God will turn his attention once again to Israel.

She conceived months ago…

A comet entered into the womb (Virgo) to type a human conception.

John knew who it [child in womb] was talking about...Jesus caught up to heaven.

Jesus (the head) has already been caught up to heaven 2000 years ago. We (his body, his church) are to join him likely on or around 23 Sept 17 when the Re 12 sign is fulfilled. Her child (us, the church) was ἁρπάζω (harpazo, caught up, to be snatched) (Re 12:5).

…As soon as this sign stops there [will] be 1260 days after this point…

After the church is raptured, the tribulation begins. Jews and tribulation saints are persecuted until the mid-point (3 ½ years after the rapture).

It’s exactly the last half of the tribulation.

The tribulation begins after the rapture. All saints will have been murdered 3 ½ years into the tribulation. There will be another 3 ½ years of even greater tribulation for those who remain—those who havetaken the mark of the beast and cannot be saved.

Since the Revelation 12 sign is a signpost in the middle…

Re 12 is a parenthetical chapter.

There’s a lot happening here in the sixth seal…

The sixth seal occurs at the mid-point (3 ½ years into Daniel’s 70th week) of the tribulation.

This is seal six which tells you that the first five seals have to happen before that…

The tribulation is like no other time before on earth. :hammer: Seals one through five occur in the first 3 ½ years of Daniel’s 70th week. Seal six begins at the mid-point of Daniel’s 70th week.

Time has stopped…

Time occurs on earth and in heaven (Re 8:1). :dizzy:

See:

Is God Outside of Time? Not according to the Bible. By Bob Enyart

Something has happened with time…

Nothing has happened with time. The only thing perplexing is your eschatology (2 Pe 2:1). :hammer:

He [Satan] suddenly realizes that he is out of time…

He’s just now getting it?

See:

If we know, you can guarantee Satan knows

He’s going to push back the clock to give himself that time.

Clocks don’t push back. Clocks go forward (Re 8:1). :Plain: We are living in a celestial clock, essentially. Satan doesn’t have a DeLorean that he must get up to 88 miles per hour to go back and make your eschatology correct at this point. :freak:

He gets his 3 ½ years after the church has been raptured (seals 1-5). The Lord begins to rule and reign 3 ½ years in at the mid-point of Daniel’s 70th week (Re 11:17) [seal 6].

We know Jesus isn’t coming on the Feast of Trumpets…Don’t look for me on the Feast of Trumpets…

You’d like that (2 Pe 2:1). Your listeners; no doubt, have been duped by normalcy bias time and time again and are ready to throw in the towel at this point.

Will you now point to counterfeit birth prior to the Revelation 12 sign?

[Image: Luke, Paul and Timothy knew that sudden destruction was as travail upon a woman with child…]

For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction comes upon them (1 Thess 5:3).

International Day of Peace: “The theme for 2017 is “Together for Peace: Respect, Safety and Dignity for All.” ...” United Nations, 21 Sept 17

Truther11 Seeker replied

To those with eyes to see and ears to hear, The Star of Bethlehem during the birth of Jesus Christ, the 3 hour total solar eclipse during the Crucifixion of Jesus Christ (the longest total solar eclipse on record is only 7 mins 28 secs), and the Great Star devouring 4 other stars during the birth of Abraham. These are all rare and great signs in the heavens heralding equally rare and great biblical events.

Truly I tell you the Lord wills us to look up to the heavens for His signs, because the sun, moon, and stars were created for signs and seasons (Gen1:14). And we know that seasons means appointed times of the Lord.

For why would our Heavenly Father send us the Holy Spirit and prophets (John 14:26), show us heavenly signs (Gen 1:14), and reveal to us visions and dreams (Acts 2:17), if He did not want us to know when it is going to happen?

Many discount the dreams and visions. I don’t. The prophet Joel said that they would occur and Peter reaffirmed that. The Holy Spirit has been being poured out since that time. The Lord is revealing these things now to his servants who haven’t been blaspheming him for years.

The Feast of Trumpets, the only one among the 7 feasts that does not have an exact starting time. This feast begins when the new moon is sighted and this has a slight variable time to it. In short, the Feast of Trumpets is the Feast of unknown day or hour (remember Mark 13:32?)…

Even though we know based on software when the moon is new. The Jews are old-school. It takes two witnesses to confirm that they’ve seen a sliver of the moon.  

Then one asks, But the Feast of Trumpets occurs every year, so which one would be it? Here is wisdom from the Lord. Just like the rare and great biblical events of yore, there must also be rare and great signs in the heavens heralding that Feast of Trumpets.

It doesn’t get better than this year for the celestial alignment :idunno:—not to mention all of the blood moons that got us to this point. Those of us with the Holy Spirit indwelled knew that the blood moons were important though we didn’t know why. Now, we know why. :jump: We have a physical sign to see. Time to: look up, pray up, clean up—we’re going up!

May more eyes be opened to the truth, so more souls be saved for the glory of Jesus Christ. Luke 12:35. Be dressed ready for service and keep your lamps burning. God is in control, God bless us all.

I want them saved on this side of the rapture. Neither you nor I would wish the Great Tribulation on anyone.

simplicio View Post

So you are claiming that to deny the uniqueness of that portent in the heavens is a faith issue...

:yawn: Strawman (Eph 4:14).

Ansel07 View Post

Clarke is all the rage today.

:yawn: Who cares about Clarke? :idunno: Clarke doesn’t care about Clarke. Clarke cares about the gospel of Jesus Christ. Eph 4:14

slamdunker View Post

There is not a single scripture that says the church will be taken up before the tribulation.

1 Thess 5:9

God does not destroy the righteous with the wicked (Ge 18:25). :dizzy:

TribulationSigns View Post

[Mormon 'I believe' vid (2 Pe 3:3)]

You're upset because life as you've known it is over. :juggle: Is 35:4

Picard is Assimilated by the Borg - Star Trek the Next Generation

afaithfulone4u View Post

If all souls will be tested to take the mark of the beast…

Souls who have been left after the rapture will be tested. The bride, the church and tribulation saints are two different people groups.

…[T]hen wouldn't every soul need to be alive today?

People die. :Plain:

So what about those who just passed on yesterday, or for the last 2,000yrs. [ago], how did they get tested…?

Those who have died before us were tested by: difficult demands (Gen. 12:1, 2), severe trials (Job 1:6-22), prosperity of the wicked (Ps. 73:1-28) and hardships (2 Cor. 11:21-33). Thomas Nelson Publishers. (1996). Nelson’s quick reference topical Bible index (p. 612). Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers.

…[I]f you believe that it is some future or soon to be chip...

Chip, mark, will, etc. An angel will warn tribulation saints (Re 14:9-10).

TomL View Post

[God does not destroy the righteous with the wicked (Ge 18:25).] God's wrath is one thing experiencing tribulation another...

Right. Christian persecution has gone on since the church was conceived (1 Thess. 2:15). The Great Tribulation is different (Re 6-18).

TomL View Post

Had these not experienced tribulation: Re 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal…...

The body of Christ, his bride, is raptured prior to the opening of the seals. Those who were not in Christ at the rapture, likely on or around 23 Sept 17, will go through the tribulation.

Rejoran View Post

[23 Sept 17, Re 12, Feast of Trumpets] …It can't come that day. We have a marriage retreat…...

You should say God willing (Jas 4:15), I’ll be going to a marriage retreat. You could be hit by a bus before that time (Pr 26:5).

GISMYS View Post

We see a ratcheting up of hatred toward anything Christian, moral, or conservative.

Of course. That’s been going on for some time (2 Thess 2:3). :juggle:

GISMYS View Post

Why do we not hear a national call to pray for the people of Texas and all our country?

Donald Trump :greedy: is not a Christian. :Plain: Maybe he'll get saved and go in the rapture. :idunno: Then, you're left with :freak: a CathOlic (Jud 11).:olinger:

GISMYS View Post

President Trump is a Christian...

Child-killing (Pr 8:36) serial adulterers (Ex 20:14)are not Christians. :dizzy: He has many Christians praying for him; however, so maybe he’ll get saved.:idunno: Maybe you all would elect Obama :Nineveh: again.

TomL View Post

'Fraid not.  There is no rapture until the dead in Christ are raised…

:yawn: Strawman (Eph 4:14). 

GISMYS View Post

We see these last days as beginnings of world sorrows.

The tribulation begins after the church is gone, likely on or around 23 Sep 17, the Re 12 sign, Feast of Trumpets.

Before she was in labor, she gave birth (Is 66:7).
 

Hemi View Post

...[M]an made doctrines like John Darby's rapture

Do you mean the apostle Paul? :dizzy: 1 Thess. 4:16, 17

Satan’s minions have been on Darby’s case for a while now. We learned why once the Re 12 sign appeared. He and others got it right the first time.

See:

Conservative Scholars Agree: The Male Child Is The Church

Originally posted by Hemi View Post

…Will you repent September 24th…...

For what? :idunno: I don’t say Thus sayeth the Lord as others on this site. :hammer: I said watch. You said don’t watch (Re 3:3).

I prefer clarity to agreement.” ~ Dennis Prager

On and around 23 Sept 17, the Feast of Trumpets, is a high rapture watch time. The Re 12 prophecy will be fulfilled. 

harry View Post

[We aren’t Babylon. Babylon is Babylon.] Like Babylon!

We, who take the bible seriously, don’t go around accusing America of being Babylon. 

“Specifics Bob.” ~ Bob, Phenomenon    

harry View Post

Like Babylon corrupt also like Nineveh!

Nineveh repented. 

Hemi View Post

[The feast ‘no man knows the day or hour] On or around September 23rd, which is it?

You said nothing to see here people, people (Mt 7:6). You’ve got a lot invested in people not watching the new moon (Re 3:3). :smokie:

Now you're misquoting me...

:yawn: I'm not here to teach you English 101 (Eph 4:14). 

GISMYS View Post

Jesus expects believers to know the time we live by us watching.

Of course (Heb 10:25). :idunno:

See:

Sheep Only Listen to Their Shepherd's Voice

Hemi View Post

If you believed Ephesians 4:14 then you would reject...date setters who have fooled you…

:yawn: Proof please (Eph 4:14). :peach: 

Hemi View Post

Your posts prove you follow strange and various doctrines...

:yawn: You're projecting again (Eph 4:14). :noway:

Reply to Valles

Yet, Jesus said not.

Jesus said that no man knows the day or hour (an idiom for the Feast of Trumpets) prior to his ascension.  

He gave it [Re 12 sign] as time markers…

The Re 12 sign is called a great sign.  You failed to mention that it falls on the Feast of Trumpets.  You tell your viewers it’s a sign saying that they have 1260 more days until Jesus return. 

You failed to mention the most important part—the rapture of the church :rapture: and that men should be prepared to meet their maker.

If they will not watch (Re 3:3), they will be left behind and enter the tribulation.  They will never be known as Jesus’ bride, his church.  :straight:

Their best chance after the rapture, if they are able to overcome the strong delusion, is to be martyred for their faith.  All tribulation saints will die in those 3 ½ years prior to the Lord’s Second Coming.

Time is running out…

Time is right on time.  The Re 12 sign kicks it all off.

Am I looking at a sign of someone’s opinion on the internet?  Am I looking at their sign?...

Scott Clarke discovered the sign.  It’s been open for peer review for years now. 

Who should I be going to for wisdom about this sign?...There are so many fake teachers today…

:yawn: You’re projecting again (Eph 4:14). :noway:

They’ll say this dead theologian here….I didn’t care what they had to say.  There are only two people that I care about [Jesus, John].  What did they say about this sign?

To understand the Book of Revelation, one must understand the Book of Daniel.  You’ll believe the prophets (Isaiah, Micah, etc.) or you will not (Acts 26:27). :Poly:

John heard about this sign more than once…

The Revelation 12 sign had not been revealed prior to his seeing it.    Otherwise, Jesus would have been lying earlier when he said prior to his ascension that no man knew the day or hour.  The sealed prophecy in Daniel had not been opened when Jesus spoke.  It was opened and given in Revelation (Re 1:1-2). In Daniel sealed (or Jesus lied) [Dan 9:24]--in John revealed (Re 22:10).

Don’t let anybody tell you that we are in a birth picture…

In your last video (The Revelation 12 Context), you mentioned a false birth, saying, “A lot of people have had a lot of questions about on September 9th, is Jupiter really going to be birthed on that day?”

From September 9th onward we should see a time of travail.

He [John] also knew about the starry crown that was above her [Virgo] head, too.

John is not speaking of the Crown of Berenice.  :hammer:Her crown is made up of Leo plus three planets.

See:

The Revelation 12 Sign in 5 Minutes! September 23 2017 Alignment Explained:  What you need to know.

He [John] might have speculated about that [alignment]…

John didn’t speculate. :dizzy:  He saw.

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him [Jesus] to show His servants [John and others]—things which must shortly take place. And He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John, who bore witness to the word of God, and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, to all things that he saw (Re 1:1–2).

He [John] would be shown more specifically what happened…

John was not restating Isaiah 7:14.  :hammer: What had been sealed in Daniel (Dan 9:24) was now being unsealed (Re 22:10). :Poly:

He was close in the assumptions with the sun…

The revelation from God.  He sent—he signified it by his angel unto his servant John (Re 1:1).  No assumption.  :freak: John wrote what he saw (Re 1:2).

The moon is only going to be by her feet for…22 hours…

The moon must pass below her feet.

You’ve tried a:  counterfeit dragon, counterfeit birth, counterfeit crown and counterfeit moon (2 Pe 2:1).

Reply to Begley

Pennsylvania Avenue becomes Are You Serious Blvd.! 

TribulationSigns View Post

What is the Hope of National Israel?

It will get bad for 3 1/2 years and then it will get better for them.

davidbrainerd View Post

...[T]he promises made to Israel were rescinded when they killed Christ.

You didn't?

Jake1254 View Post

Is God a promise breaker?

If he breaks his promises for Israel, I have no reason to believe he'll keep his promises to me. :idunno: He is faithful and true. :straight:

davidbrainerd View Post

[Jews] ...[T]hey keep disobeying....

You haven't?

TribulationSigns View Post

[davidbrainerd quote: [T]hey killed Christ.] Okay.

Move over Sophocles (Ingraham).  

See: 

What is replacement theology / supersessionism?

davidbrainerd View Post

[Disobedience] Not as a nation...

Did you belong on that cross? 

Is the punishment for sin a cross?

For the wages of sin is death (Ro 6:23a). 

It's a yes or no question. :chz4brnz: Did you belong on that cross?
 

davidbrainerd View Post

I hold to the book of Hebrews' theory of the atonement...

:chz4brnz:

The answer is yes--both you and I belonged on that cross. Jesus died the death that you and I deserve.

Anti-Semites are Satanic. 

TribulationSigns View Post

[Fulfillment Re 12 sign] ...[S]ee you on September 24, 2017.

If I'm seeable on or around 23 Sept 17, you'll see me. :idunno:  If I've been glorified, you won't (2 Cor. 3:18, 15:53). :rapture: Good luck in the Great Tribulation.  

 

By Nov 17: 10 Hybrid kings, Antichrist revealed, Seal 1 opened. 

Reply to Parable of the Vineyard

Lukewarm stays (Re 3:16). :vomit: Hot goes. :rapture: I’m feelin' hot, hot, hot Ti 4:8, Re 3:3

Truth7t7 View Post

An earthly Millennium Is 100% impossible, as Jesus Christ returns to dissolve the existing heavens and earth by his fire in judgment, 2 Peter 3:10-13

The earth is made new before the Millennium (Is 24:20).

TomL View Post

The rapture is after the resurrection of those that are Christ’s…

The dead first, us afterward (1 Thess. 4:16, 17). We are the main barley harvest. :straight: If trib saints are able to make it through the tribulation for 3 1/2 years (good luck with a strong delusion :nono:), then they are the corners or the gleanings of the barley harvest. If they can refrain from taking the mark of the beast (your loved one's fingers being chopped off before you if you do in fact love anyone :idunno:) then, they will go home to be with the Lord when the two witnesses lay down their lives on Passover 28 Mar 21 (Re 6:10).

TomL View Post

...We were talking about tribulation not God's wrath directed against the church...

The church is not appointed to wrath (1 Thess 5:9). :dizzy: His wrath is poured out after the first 3 1/2 years of the tribulation. By the mid-point of the tribulation all trib saints have died. Those who remain beyond this point have taken the mark of the beast. When they experience God's wrath, they'll wish they could die; but cannot (they thought taking the mark was such a bright idea). Satan duped them in an age of grace, he duped them again in the tribulation. There's no untaking the mark. God's wrath is for these earth dwellers.

TomL View Post

... The issue is the tribulation...

The tribulation makes up the first half of Daniel's 70th week. 

slamdunker View Post

When the Rapture Comes, "armageddon" outta here...

Armageddon occurs in the last half of the tribulation (the first half of Daniel’s 70th week) when the Lord is protecting Israel during the 1290 days.  This is Jesus treading the winepress.  

Rod.ney replied

…The resurrected Christ ( Acts 2:29-32 ) will in fact reign for 1000 years on this old sin stained earth, before He creates the new one and new heaven…


The earth is uninhabitable. No, the new heaven and the new earth are created prior to the Millennium (New Jerusalem on earth 1335 days after the mid-point of the tribulation). Sinners are not permitted into New Jerusalem. The Day of Atonement is fulfilled at the end of the Millennium when the final harvest occurs. No sin follows that atonement.

Reply to Matthew Crawford

“Serpent Dove respectfully disagree.  God is coming for those who believe in Jesus.  Not on how well they have been walking with him.”

Men are saved by grace though faith (Eph 2:8-9).  If one is born again (or as Clarke might say conceived), he is going in the rapture (Jn 3:7).

“It's not a works based faith.  If that was the case none of us would go…”

If I’m counting on any work to get me to heaven, I’m going to hell (Heb 9:22). :burnlib:

The Laodicea church is an apostate church (Re 3:14–22).  :olinger:

GISMYS View Post

Time and the World is about to change and never be the same again.

There will be a new dispensation after the rapture of the church (likely on or around 23 Sept 17 [Re 12:1-2]). The antichrist cannot be revealed until the restrainer (the church [salt and light]) is gone (2 Thess 2:6). Those who remain (salt who’d lost their flavor [Mt 5:13]) will have a more difficult time than those who lived in a time of grace (Mt 24:21). 

GISMYS View Post

[Hurricane Irma] When you face 185mph winds will you want God's help and protection?

It rains on the just and the unjust (Mt 5:45 [rain usually a good thing]). What’s your point? That everyone in the path of the hurricane is a reprobate? :dizzy:

“I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish.” Lk 13:3
 

TomL View Post

…[T]hat text shows Christ reigns now…

The god of this world is in control now. Christ begins to take all of that back at the mid-point of the tribulation and on into the Millennial kingdom (Re 11:17).

The Jews recognize him at the mid-point (Re 10:4); but, they still have another 3 ½ years to go during his wrath being poured out on the earth. They are protected under his wings.

Jews and Nephilim will populate the Millennium. They are not permitted to enter into New Jerusalem even though their names are up there. They’ll become jealous.

TribulationSigns View Post

You just lacks spiritual discernment on the purpose for Satan binding.

:yawn:How many rounds can you take Satan in? :box: Eph 4:14

TomL View Post

The new heaven and New Earth follows after the millennium...

So he fixes up the earth twice? Sort of like a little patch work?

TomL View Post

He had a physical body.

He was raised bodily.

Prior to his ascension (Jn 20:17), he walked and talked with others. When believers receive their glorified bodies in the rapture, they may also get a chance to be seen by others (1 Cor. 15:51-53). :rapture:

GISMYS View Post

[HurricaWe know that God does not listen to sinners. He listens to the godly person who does His will.

There are Christians in Texas and Florida doing his will. :dizzy:

"Unless you repent you will all likewise perish.” Lk 13:3b

davidbrainerd View Post

The day of disappointment is only 16 days away...

For you. For us it is blessed hope.  :rapture:

Woe to you who desire the day of the Lord!
For what good is the day of the Lord to you?
It will be darkness, and not light.
It will be as though a man fled from a lion,
And a bear met him!
Or as though he went into the house,
Leaned his hand on the wall,
And a serpent bit him!
Is not the day of the Lord darkness, and not light?
Is it not very dark, with no brightness in it? Am 5:18-20

Reply to Begley

Something biblical’s going on! Re 12:1-2

Reply to Big-Foot

Will God allow Big-Foots to be raptured?

Dead birds, dead cow, dead fish…! Hos 4:1-3

Reply to Kar Giver

Scottie has done great work, but he's assigned the birth out of Israel in the sign to be the Rapture.

Do you mean the apostle John?  :dizzy: The word is harpazo.  That’s not good with clam sauce—that’s the rapture!  :rapture:

Reply to Stacy Burton

Is this movie made for the lost world?

Order your glucosamine and chondroitin lost world—every knee will bow, every tongue will confess (Ro 14:11).  

Reply to Wolf Pack

Will God forgive me if I stop my Homosexual ways? I had close to 2,000 Homosexual encounters since I was little, I am 25 age now and I'm ready to be Raptured by God.

Of course he will.  God loves you.  You need only ask him to save you (Ro 10:13).  See you in the sky! Jn 8:36  :rapture:

Reply to War Face

99% of the people, 99 red balloons, that sounds like numeric symbolism…

But can you sing it in German?  We’ll get to know German by 24 Sept 17.  :jump:  Cewl!

Reply to tia sprague

I'm ready father.  I’m so ready!

Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven (Mt 16:17).  Keep savin’ ‘em, Abba.   

Reply to “Roger Waters”

Don’t you have a little baa baa in ya?  Abaaaaa Father put that in you.  Tell Pastor Begley you’d like to be saved (Ro 10:9).  

Reply to David 313

It's coming!

The bride's got a ring and a date (Dr. Laura Schlessinger). Re 12:1-2

davidbrainerd View Post

Eschatology-mongers :sozo2:

Hey, hey, hoe,   hoe, eschatology mongers got to go (Re 12:1-2). :rapture:

Reply to Sister Liberty

Look up! Our redemption draws nigh. Even so come King Jesus come!

I’m playin’ my country records backwards—getting’ back all Satan stole from me (Lk 10:19).

Reply to Valles:

There is [sic] a lot of opinions out there that contradict what Jesus said…

:yawn: You’re projecting again (Eph 4:14). :noway: 

When the sign of the Son of man does appear, that’s a signal to the world that it has 1260 days and that they need to prepare the way because the Son of man who the sign is about is about to come back…

False (2 Pe 2:1).  :dizzy: 23 Sept 17 is the fulfillment of the Re 12:1-2 sign.  The word used in Re 12:5 is harpazo (catching away, rapture).  

Souls who remain on earth when the church is gone are:  Jews (who will be enslaved and tortured) or tribulation saints (who will be martyred for their faith).  Too late to prepare the way when you’re being hunted by Mad Max. :mad:

The sign of the Son of man is about the Son of man…

Move over Sophocles (Ingraham). 

There is nothing new under the sun (Eccl 1:9).  Jewish prophecy is made up of patterns—what happened before happens again.   

The Book of Revelation is God, the Father revealing to God, the Son to John what will take place (Re 1:1).  :Plain: The Re 12 sign, a great sign, revealed after the Lord’s ascension.  His body (Col. 1:24), the church goes to be with him (Eph. 1:22, Re 12:5).  

[Seals] Even though time is short, we can get an understanding of how can this happen in such a short time… 

No seal has been opened yet.  :hammer: Travail is not seal.  Seal is not travail (Re 12:2).  Your having seals printed on a chart does not mean that any seal has been opened or will be opened prior to the rapture of the church.  :dizzy: 

Seals are opened after the departure of the church when the Day of the Lord begins.

See: 

Order of Events 2 Thess 2 Missler  

They’ll say He was talking about an idiom for that day…

No man knows the day or hour is a Jewish idiom for the Feast of Trumpets (not “somewhere around there” the Feast of Trumpets as you claimed—on the Feast of Trumpets) Mk 13:32, Mt 24:36.  

The Feast of Trumpets is called the feast of which no man knows the day or hour.  It would take two witness to observe a sliver of the moon and report back to the Sanhedrin. 

Even though we have technology today which tells us when the new moon will occur, Jews don’t use software.  They get out there and observe for themselves.  They must see a sliver of the moon.  All eyes will be watching the Jews watching the moon that day.   

When they report to us, we report to you and you decide.    

We are prepared to go.  You tell your views that they’ve got 1260 more days.  They do not (2 Pe 2:1).  :hammer:

[Presumably speaking for Jesus] You do know the day and hour when I’m not coming…This is when I’m not coming…You’ll know more so about when I’m not coming than when I am coming.

Not what the Lord said (Prov. 30:5, 6).  :scripto: That’ll come up again (Rev. 22:11, 18, 19).    

But of that day and hour knows no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only (Mt 24:36).  Jesus said this prior to his ascension.  Keep reading.  :dizzy: The Book of Revelation adds information.  Daniel sealed the vision and prophecy (Dan 9:24) John unsealed it (Re 22:10). 

Jesus was specifically telling his disciples when he was not coming and that was at the sign of the Son of man… 

The Re 12 sign is called a great wonder (Re 12:1).  You say don’t look at it (Re 3:3).  The watchmen have said look at it.  It means something—likely, the rapture of the church (Ro 8:14). 

“I prefer clarity to agreement.” ~ Dennis Prager  

Who’s coming?  The Son of man. 

The Lord is not stepping foot on the earth until he’s taken his bride to safety (Is 26:20).  After the rapture of the church--after 3 ½ years—the Lord steps his foot on the mount of Olives (Zech 14:4). 

 ...[Do] not pay attention to secret raptures or Christ coming secretly… 

“Rapture, the—translation of saved at Christ’s return.  Not all will sleep (1 Cor. 15:51; 1 Thess. 4:15, 17), dead in Christ will rise (1 Cor. 15:52; 1 Thess. 4:13, 14, 16), living to be transformed (1 Cor. 15:51–53), saints caught up (1 Thess. 4:16, 17).  Thomas Nelson Publishers. (1996). Nelson’s quick reference topical Bible index (p. 519). Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers. 

You say don’t pay attention (Re 3:3).  The watchmen have said pay attention (Ro 8:14).   

“I prefer clarity to agreement.” ~ Dennis Prager 

[Presumably speaking for the Lord] When I do come, it’s gonna be obvious to the whole world...It’s going to be the direct opposite of a secret rapture… 

The rapture is not obvious to the world.  :hammer: The Second Coming is obvious to the whole world. 

See: 

 The Truth About the Rapture: Part 3 Harpazo Rapturo  

Seals one through five are going to happen quickly… 

Are we supposed to believe that we, the bride, are already experiencing the seals? :dizzy: 1 Thess 5:9 

Seal six is a result of what happens in the first four…

Do you mean five seals prior?  No, seal six is earth changing.  No one is going to miss seal six occurring.  Seal six does not open until the mid-point of the tribulation (3 ½ years after the rapture, likely on or around 23 Sept 17, Feast of Trumpets).  Seals one through five are opened after the rapture in the first 3 ½ years.  Then, seal six opens at the mid-point of the tribulation for those who took the mark of the beast.  All of those people that you had told not to watch are martyred during the first half of the tribulation.    

All these events that are on the horizon, they are going to take a couple days… 

If you were right that we’d see all of these seals :listen: and the earth would be uninhabitable.   No one would make it to the rapture.  :dizzy:

We have to pad our understanding… 

You would “pad” your bad eschatology (2 Pe 2:1) right up to the rapture.     

Reply to Scarbrough

Do bees think they’re going with us?   

Truth7t7 View Post

Two more weeks for your September 23, 2017 false prophecy to fail.

:yawn: I don’t make prophetic statements (e.g. Thus sayeth the Lord) [Eph 4:14]. Two more weeks for you to mock the watchmen (2 Pe 3:1-13) who have warned you that a sword :juggle: is coming (Eze 33:3). :rapture:

What ya gonna do then?  Have another vision?

:yawn: I have lots of dreams/visions (Joe 2:28). :idunno: Which one are you talking about? Image Eph 4:14, 2 Pe 2:1  

TomL View Post

What possesses one to pick a date for the rapture of the church?

:yawn: You're projecting again (Eph 4:14). :noway: Matt. 4:24

TomL View Post

[Matt. 4:24] To be projecting I would have had to be date setting…

You had asked :yawn: “What possesses one…?”

A Christian cannot :straight: be demon-possessed (1 Jn 4:4). :dizzy: The spirit of God has been speaking to the watchmen for some time now.

You do not believe that they are hearing from God. I do. Ro 3:4, 8:14, Mt 12:32

"I prefer clarity to agreement." ~ Dennis Prager

Reply to watchman001

Revelation 12 is supposed to happen before the rest of the chapters?

Yes.  That was my first question, too:  Why am I seeing this Revelation 12 sign in the sky when I thought that Revelation 12 came after Revelation 11 and Revelation 11 came after Revelation 10? :squint:

If Clarke’s eschatology is right (and there is a good chance that it is), then it ends up that the Revelation 12 sign get’s this whole party started. :jump:

See:

Parenthetical chapters

Seals aren’t opened until we’re gone (2 Thess 2).  Jupiter is being “birthed” from Virgo today; so, all eyes are on Jupiter and Israel’s travails may start (Re 12:2).  Prinloo (God’s Roadmap to the End) thinks that Jupiter might even literally be impacted in some way before the rapture to add a compound fulfillment of Ge 3:15.  It wouldn’t be unlike God to put that visual in the sky for us.  Prinloo’s got a live feed watching Jupiter; but NASA keeps on putting up bunny ear shadows to mess with us.    

We don’t ask for signs (Mt 12:39); but, we’re getting them anyway.  :idunno: Even the bees seem to have gotten the memo --we’re outta here. :rapture:

Truth7t7 View Post

Will Jesus Christ Return In Fire And Judgement...

He's gettin' there. :juggle: The rapture of the church is the next event on God's prophetic calendar (Re 12:1-2). 

Hemi View Post

The kingdom of heaven is like...

I'll let you know in two weeks (Re 12:1-2). :rapture:

GISMYS replied

Unbelievers will be left behind on rapture day…

Unbelievers and make-believers.  Keep praying.  We’re not on vacation yet.

“What’s vacation?” ~ Forrest Gump

GISMYS replied

Who more than Satan wants to argue and fight against the rapture (catching up) of all believers?

The bride will be a rare gem, indeed :straight:--like brides on earth. :BRAVO: In our culture where serial adultery is commonplace, a bride is a rarity, too (Luke 16:18).

TomL View Post

[What is the Day of the Lord?]

"...The Day of the Lord begins with judgment and moves on to the coming of Christ to establish His Kingdom here upon this earth." McGee, J. V. (1991). Thru the Bible commentary: The Prophets (Amos/Obadiah) (electronic ed., Vol. 28, p. 69). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

People are just focusing on the woman part of the Revelation sign….Don’t miss the forest through the trees.

:yawn: You’re projecting again (Eph 4:14). :noway:

You discussed Isaiah chapter 28.  Back up a few verses to—again—the woman:

      17       Like as a woman with child, that draweth near the time of her delivery,

[Do you know of a woman in the sky who just “delivered” a child (e.g. Jupiter)]

      Is in pain, and crieth out in her pangs;

      So have we been in thy sight, O LORD.

      18       We have been with child, we have been in pain,

      We have as it were brought forth wind;

[Do you know of a people group who rejected their Messiah; but, who brought forth Christians indwelled with the Holy Spirit :straight:(Acts 2:2)]

      We have not wrought any deliverance in the earth;

      Neither have the inhabitants of the world fallen.

      19       Thy dead men shall live,

[Do you know of a dead man who rose again?]

      Together with my dead body shall they arise.

[Accuses those believing that the body of Christ will be raptured with him, the dead--of believing in a horror movie like Frankenstein:  Do you know of a body conceived by the Holy Spirit (Luke 1:34, 35) who serves their Master (Eph. 1:22)?  Hint:  It’s not the bride of Frankenstein (2 Pe 2:1). :dizzy:]

      Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust:

      For thy dew is as the dew of herbs,

      And the earth shall cast out the dead.

[Do you know about dead people who will rise first? :rapture: 1 Cor. 15:52; 1 Thess. 4:13, 14, 16.]

      20       Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers,

[Do you know who the elders are :straight:who are told to ‘come up hither’ (Re 4:1)]

      And shut thy doors about thee:

[Do you know who opens a door that no man can shut? Re 3:8]

      Hide thyself as it were for a little moment,

[Do you know who is hidden…]

      Until the indignation be overpast.

[…during the tribulation?:straight:]

      21       For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place

      To punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity:

      The earth also shall disclose her blood,

      And shall no more cover her slain.

      27      In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword

      Shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent,

      Even leviathan that crooked serpent;

      And he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea. Is 26:17–27:1 

Fly Sugar Ray Ft. Supercat  

…Her [Mary’s] story would be the sign…

Do you means Jesus’ story?

That was a big event.  Another big event is coming on or around 23 Sept 17 as his body, the church, is also going home in the rapture (harpazo [Re 12:5]).  :rapture:

Same exact story…It’s just going to be seen in heaven.  That’s the only change.

False (2 Pet. 2:1). :dizzy: Revelation 12 is a parenthetical chapter.  Revelation 12 and 14 kick off the rest of the events to occur on God’s prophetic calendar. 

You’re doing your best to be sure that your viewers do not pay attention to the Revelation 12:1-2 sign. They should be prepared to meet their maker (2 Pe 2:1) now --not in 1260 days (1 Co 15:52).

The sign of the Son of man…is going to be finishing on September 23rd

The prophecy of Re 12:1-2 will be fulfilled on 23 Sept 17, Feast of Trumpets when the moon is ‘under her feet’ (Re 12:1) not before (Eph 4:14). :hammer: 

He would be coming 1260 days after that sign…

Prior to 1260 days when the Lord stands on the mount of Olives, is the rapture of his church (Zech 14:4).  During those 3 ½ years all who remain (missed the rapture) will be murdered for their faith in the tribulation.

Letting the world know, it’s coming up.  Prepare ye the way…

One would already have had to have ‘prepared the way’ in his heart for the Lord to go in the rapture.  :straight: If he has not, then he will be left behind and enter into the tribulation. 

It [the Revelation 12 sign] tells us the events around it…

You’ve mentioned events for unbelievers and make-believers; but, you’ve failed to mention the most important event for the believer known as his blessed hope--the rapture (Tt 2:13). :dizzy:

[Presumably speaking for God] …Disciples, I want you to be looking for me before those [signs in the heavens] start….Expecting me before those start.

:yawn: Proof please (Eph 4:14).  :peach:

Do you mean bride of Frankenstein expect him between 11 Sept 17 to 23 Sept 17 (Matt. 25:1–13)?  We, his bride, know our wedding date (Heb 10:25). 

…Because that’s when I’m coming for my servants to call them into the chamber.

Tick, tick, tick (Ro 3:4).

 It’s [Revelation 12 sign] a signpost warning about events that come before it and after it.

Look before, look after all you’d like.  :idunno:

The watchmen have warned (Eze 33:6) and are looking on 23 Sept 17 when the moon is under her feet for the fulfillment of Revelation 12:1-2 sign.

They understood what the last trump was.  It was about a Roman signal.

False (2 Pet. 2:1). :dizzy: When one says “at the last trump”—to any Jew, this means would mean the last, long shofar call (Tekiah Gedolah) on the Feast of Trumpets. :hammer:

Christians have always believed that the rapture of the church would occur on a Feast of Trumpets.  Now, they know it is most likely on this Feast of Trumpets. :jump:

Paul used Roman pictures…

Not Mary, not Rome :dizzy: —Jesus:  For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the (Tekiah Gedolah) trumpet of God: and the dead in Christ will rise first (1 Thessalonians 4:16).

The main events dealing with the dragon and the heavens shaking are going to come right before the woman gives birth.

You would have your viewers believe that we are in the tribulation now.  :hammer:The tribulation is not for the bride (1 Thess 5:9). :dizzy:  The tribulation will be unlike any other time on earth.  It’s not just a bad hair day:  For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be (Mt 24:21).

That will not be seen 11 Sept 17 to 22 Sept 17.  :hammer: The Revelation 12 sign has been our indication that it’s time for us to go (1 Thess 5:4).  :rapture:

It is at this Revelation 12 sign when Messiah, Shiloh reasserts his power…

False (2 Pe 2:1).  :dizzy:  After the rapture of the church, antichrist rises to power and asserts his power (2 Thess 2:1-4).

The Lord steps foot on the mount of Olives 3 ½ years later (Zech 14:4).  Anyone who believed you will have been martyred by that point.  

The kingdom of God is starting from this point…

False (2 Pe 2:1).  :hammer:From the mid-point of the tribulation and into the millennial kingdom, the Lord begins to rule and reign (Re 11:17).

He’s also letting the world know…[presumably speaking for God] I will come down and set up my kingdom…

False (2 Pe 2:1).  :dizzy: The antichrist sets up his kingdom (2 Thess 2:4). 

He’ll be crushing the rebellion on earth before he comes…

False (2 Pe 2:1).  :hammer:After the last tribulation saint is martyred on Passover of 2021, the ministry of the two witnesses will be finished.  They lay down their lives and trib saints who had waited under the alter go to be with the Lord.  The only remaining in habitants on the earth have taken the mark of the beast.  The sixth seal is opened and they are put down.  

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1 John (KJV)

…[M]any will say Lord, Lord, meaning they claimed to love him, but they really hate the Word so he will not recognize them as part of his holy body.

It will all inside a washing machine smiley come out in the wash :listen: soon. 

They speak as of the world, and the world hears them. We are of God. He who knows God hears us; he who is not of God does not hear us. By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error (1 Jn 4:5–6).

Josheb replied

God is not sovereign if He has to destroy His creation to save His creation.

It’s his creation.  He can do with it what he’d like.  :squint: Those who need to die are going to die (Rev. 6:16, 17).

…It was argued God removes His elect but then some of those saints on earth during the millennium are also His elect…

Not yet, they aren’t.  The bride is hidden :straight:when destruction comes to the earth (Is 26:20).  

If those who missed the rapture would like to go to heaven, they’re going to have to lose their lives (Re 11:7).  

…They are not the ones in earthly bodies who got saved or got elected in time for the rapture.

We are elected because we chose God.  God chose us.  We chose him back (Ro 10:13).  :dizzy: This isn’t rocket science.

They too are God's children but they had to go through trial, tribulation, and destruction to become saints.

Many Calvinists :hammer: will be left behind.  They’re going to find out that they weren’t so elite after all (2 Pe 2:1). 

God didn't remove His own before atrocities and destruction.

His body, his bride is removed (1 Thess 5:9). :straight:  The short bus folks had to do it their way.  Some people just have to learn the hard way.  It will be more difficult; but, that was their choice.

…[T]his idea that some people have to go through these trials, tribulations, suffering, tribulation, and destruction…

Every Christian is persecuted (2 Ti 3:12).  :dizzy: The tribulation is a time like no other (Mt 24:21).  It will begin after the church is removed from the world, likely on or around 23 Sept 17, the Feast of Trumpets. :rapture:

“If you do believe that the rapture is going to be on the 23rd, please send us a check empty out your bank account.  Send us a check for everything you have.  No, I’m only joking.  I don’t want to take advantage of gullible Christians....He [a Christian friend] knew I'd heard about this--this September 23rd thing....If he says it's valid , he loses his credibility....He says 'I'm not sure what to do about this....'  I said let's meet on the 24th...There’s a documentary...and they’ve interviewed the main guy behind the whole September 23rd, 2017 thing.” ~ Bob Enyart, End Times Leader Calls Bob about Rapture on Sept. 23rd Mt 6:24, 2 Pe 3:4, Mt 16:3

See:

Scoffers:  An Analysis Zeus Mossbender   

Reply to Begley

[Re 12 sign] The revealing of the coming of the beast and his system…

False (2 Pet. 2:1). :dizzy:

See:

Order of Events 2 Thess 2 Missler  

Josheb replied:

God is not planning on destroying His own creation…   

Get into the ark of safety (Is 24:20, 2 Pe 3:10).

Josheb replied

Isaiah 42:20 doesn't say the earth is destroyed, only its rebellion…

Earth and earth-dwellers will be destroyed.

“This planet was made disposable by sin.” ~ John MacArthur

If you thought that you were still welcome to live on God’s planet after Passover of 2021 not in Christ, you were wrong.   

VI. The Sixth Seal (6:12–17)
A. What John feels (6:12a): A great earthquake strikes.
B. What John sees (6:12b–14)
1. The sun turns black, and the moon turns blood red (6:12b).
2. The stars fall (6:13) .
3. The sky rolls up like a scroll (6:14a).
4. Every mountain and island is removed from its place (6:14b).
C. What John hears (6:15–17)
1. The place (6:15b): The sound comes from the caves and among the rocks of the mountains.
2. The persons (6:15a): They include kings, warriors, rich and poor, slaves and free men.
3. The prayer (6:16–17): They all cry to be hidden from the wrath of the Lamb.

Willmington, H. L. (1999). The Outline Bible (Re 6:11–17). Wheaton, IL: Tyndale House Publishers.

Josheb replied

Creating a new heaven and earth does not necessarily entail destroying the planet…

Again, you’re going to have to not cling to this planet.  All earth-dwellers will die (Re 20:14).  It will be uninhabitable—which is why it’s made new.  :Plain: You thought the god of this world got to hold on to this planet forever?  2 Pe 3:4.  We judge the angels (1 Co 6:3).  

Reply to Begley

Antichrist is going to make his move…It doesn’t mean he’s going to be revealed…

That is not our concern. :dizzy: The next event on God’s prophetic calendar is the rapture of the church, likely on or around 23 Sept 17, Feast of Trumpets.  The breaking news of the day—is the rapture.  :rapture: The page 12 story under the fold is the Antichrist coming on the scene.Image  Watch  (Re 3:3).    

I believe this season we’re entering into…this season of seven years…

If you enter into that season (the great tribulation), then that will prove that you were not a believer.  :hammer:Only Jews and tribulation saints remain after the rapture of the church (1 Thess. 4:16, 17).  

Reply to Blake Watson

Amen. Weird how he has suddenly become a tribulation saint wannabe.

Right.  We will be long gone when the abomination of desolation occurs.  That is when Jews will all of the sudden have 20/20 vision and know that they’ve been duped by the Antichrist.  They’ll all be running around to find a copy of their Book of Daniel and trust in the Lord at that point, be hidden under his wings, etc.

Serpent Dove—not a Jew.  :dizzy: When we’re gone, :rapture: the Lord returns to his plans for Israel.  

Reply to God’s Gift

What we are going to receive is the fire of God…things that Jesus has in store for us.

False (Is 26:20, 1 Thess 5:9, Lk 21:36).

Mad Max and rape gangs are not a blessed hope (Tt 2:13, 1 Thess 4:18).   :hammer: 

Serpent Dove our bodies cannot enter heaven.  We must be changed beforehand. Remember, we shall be changed in a twinkling of an eye; so, it's not like we will be here stuck in fire. Our bodies are going to be changed.

Right.  But, Shadrach Meshach and Abednego were protected in the fire.  Persecution is not the Great Tribulation.  Every Christian experiences persecution (2 Ti 3:12).  The Great Tribulation will be unlike anything the world has seen (Mt 24:21).

There are no examples in scripture of God’s wrath being poured out on his people with the wicked.  His people are spared.  The Egyptian plagues for example affected the Egyptians but not the Hebrews.

The Egyptians will loathe to drink the water of the river (Ex 7:18).   

The river shall bring forth frogs abundantly, which shall go up and come into your house, into your bedroom, on your bed, into the houses of your servants, on your people, into your ovens, and into your kneading bowls. And the frogs shall come up on you, on your people, and on all your servants (Ex 8:3–4).

Swarms of flies on you and your servants, on your people and into your houses (Ex 8:21).

All the livestock of Egypt died; but of the livestock of the children of Israel, not one died (Ex 9:6).

I will send all My plagues to your very heart, and on your servants and on your people (Ex 9:14).

Hail struck throughout the whole land of Egypt, all that was in the field, both man and beast; and the hail struck every herb of the field and broke every tree of the field. Only in the land of Goshen, where the children of Israel were, there was no hail (Ex 9:25–26).  

The locusts went up over all the land of Egypt and rested on all the territory of Egypt (Ex 10:14)...There remained nothing green on the trees or on the plants of the field throughout all the land of Egypt (v. 15).  

There was thick darkness in all the land of Egypt three days. They did not see one another; nor did anyone rise from his place for three days. But all the children of Israel had light in their dwellings (Ex 10:22–23).  

The Lord struck all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh who sat on his throne to the firstborn of the captive who was in the dungeon, and all the firstborn of livestock (Ex 12:29).  

Reply to Valles

He told them that this same sign would be seen in the future…That sign is the sign of the Son of man.  That’s what it represents.

False (2 Pet. 2:1). :dizzy: Mt 24:30 refers to his second coming not the Revelation 12 sign on the Feast of Trumpets 23 Sept 17.

We’re told what it would be…

False (2 Pet. 2:1). :hammer:

“Then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven.” What is that sign? Again I will have to speculate. Back in the Old Testament, you remember, the nation Israel was given the glory, the Shekinah presence of God. No other nation or people has ever had that, nor does the church have it. The Shekinah glory rested over the tabernacle and later the temple at Jerusalem. But because of Israel’s sin, the Shekinah glory left the nation. When Christ came the first time, He laid aside, not His deity, but His prerogative of deity, His glory—although John says, “ … we beheld his glory …” (John 1:14), because there were times when it broke through. However, at His second coming, I believe that the Shekinah glory will hover over the earth before He breaks through, and that will be the “sign of the Son of man in heaven.”

“They shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.” This is His return to earth to set up His kingdom. McGee, J. V. (1991). Thru the Bible commentary: The Gospels (Matthew 14-28) (electronic ed., Vol. 35, p. 142). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

This event occurs 3 ½ years after the rapture of the church. 

[The sign] would tell the world that he would be coming after that…

False (2 Pet. 2:1). :dizzy:

“Mt 24:30 the sign of the Son of Man. I.e., the Son of Man Himself is the sign. The events described here precisely parallel the description in Dan. 7:13; Rev. 19:11–21. all the tribes of the earth will mourn. I.e., over their own rebellion. Israel in particular will mourn over their rejection of the Messiah (cf. Zech 12:10–12).” MacArthur, J., Jr. (Ed.). (1997). The MacArthur Study Bible (electronic ed., p. 1440). Nashville, TN: Word Pub.

You cannot change who that sign is about or the meaning…

:yawn: Strawman (Eph 4:14).

Can a country be born in a single day, or can a nation be brought forth in a single moment? Is 66:8

God will answer that question himself on or around the Revelation 12 sign, Feast of Trumpets, 23 Sept 17.   

Shiloh (he to whom it belongs)…

  The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be [Gen. 49:10].

“Until Shiloh come”—Shiloh is the ruler.

…Not only is Christ Shiloh, but also He is the One who will hold the sceptre. The sceptre of this universe will be held in nail–pierced hands. In the last part of verse 24 of this chapter we read that from God will come the Shepherd, the Stone of Israel. So this Shiloh is also a shepherd and a stone. When we get to Numbers 24:17 we will find that a Star is prophesied. Think of all that the coming of Christ means. He is the Seed promised to the woman and to the patriarchs. He is the Shiloh who brings rest. He is the King who holds the sceptre. He is the Shepherd who gave His life, and He is the Chief Shepherd who is coming someday. He is the Stone that the builders disallowed but who is now become the headstone of the corner. He is the Star, the bright and morning Star for His church. This is the line that went from Adam to Seth (after Abel was murdered). From Seth it went through Noah to Shem and to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and now to Judah. Friend, don’t miss this wonderful fact that God is moving according to a pattern and a program here. This is very important for us to see. McGee, J. V. (1991). Thru the Bible commentary: The Law (Genesis 34-50) (electronic ed., Vol. 3, pp. 165–166). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

Who has the right to be in that picture?

We are Christ’s body, joint heirs with him (Ro 8:17, Eph 3:6).  We are Christ’s bride, one with him (Eph. 5:22–32, 1 Pe 3:7). 

We presently hold the rod (Re 2:26-27).  She [Israel] brought forth a male child [Christ, his body (Ps 2:7-9, Re 2:26-28, 3:21)], who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne (Re 12:5).  We continue to rule and reign with him during the Millennium (Re 20:6).

See:

The Revelation 12 Sign- Who's it for? Weltner

Who [the church] should not be added to that picture…

Satan has the same complaint about us (Ge 9:6, Jn 8:44).  His complaints will not be heard much longer (Re 12:9, 22:11–14).   

We have no legal right to the scepter or the lawgiver….That title Shiloh does not belong to us.  We can’t just insert ourselves into whatever picture we want.

Anyone who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way, is a thief and a robber (Jn 10:1).

Don’t hate us because we’re beautiful (Eph 2:6, Re 19:7).

…[H]ow do we become the sons of God…?

Stop:  stealing, killing and destroying (Eccl 10:2, Jn 10:10). :idunno:

Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Men and brethren, what shall we do?”

Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.” Ac 2:37–39. 

He is the child of the body….

She bore a male Child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron. And her Child was caught up [harpzo] to God and His throne (Re 12:5).  Jesus, the head (Eph. 1:22; Eph. 5:23; Col. 1:18) rose.  We, the body (Col. 1:24) rise (harpazo), likely on or around the Feast of Trumpets 23 Sept 17.   

Signs are for--not just any ol' time--for appointed times (e.g. feast days). Ge 1:14.

We are not in a birth picture.

"Shall I bring to the point of birth and not give delivery?" says the Lord. Is 66:9

We are the child of the soul.

Men are:  body, soul and sprit.  You will live forever—somewhere—with a body fit for heaven or a body fit for hell.  Your choice.  

We have no right to being a king or a priest

And have made us kings and priests to our God; And we shall reign on the earth (Re 5:10).

We are not born with that [kings and priests].

:yawn: Strawman (Eph 4:14).  

Reply to Watchman for that Great Day

Mayans…

Mayans? If they were so smart, why are they all dead? :dizzy:

The only thing that speaks and does not lie are numbers…

The rapture will occur on the Feast of Trumpets (1 Co 15:52).  It’s the next Jewish feast to be fulfilled (Mt 24:36).  It’s likely to occur on this Feast of Trumpets (Re 12:1-2).    

Numbers are important and specific to a precise creator…

You can also get the numbers to tell you anything.  :hammer: Less reading of chicken entrails and tea leaves and more study of God’s word (Ac 17:22).  :Poly: Satan and his minions are doing everything they can to point individuals away from the Revelation 12 prophecy.

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If it's not a blood Moon, it's a prophecy merged with Egyptian lore…

The blood moons and Egyptian history will make sense on or around 23 Sept 17, Feast of Trumpets (Re 12:1-2).

Give me a break.

We’re still on duty (Jn 9:4).

…[Author of article cited] rightfully notes these are all just coincidental occurrences…

We are getting testimonies now from individuals who don’t even believe the bible; but, who find it interesting that a prophecy written 2000 years ago is being fulfilled on 23 Sept 17 (Re 12:1-2).

…[T]his guy invoked the mythical planet of Niburu (which science says is a hoax…

I don’t know anything about: Nibiru, Planet X, Black Star, etc. What I do know is seal six is going to devastate this planet. We’ll be long gone by then. :rapture:

…[A]t least they get something right) Using Harvey to claim we're about to experience apocalypse…

We may in for a bumpy ride this coming week. But, then we should be outta here. There really is a light at the end of the tunnel for the Christian--and it’s not an oncoming truck.

The watchmen don’t have a plan B. God didn’t allow the Revelation 12 alignment to appear on the Feast of Trumpets in the heavens accidentally because he’s had his feet up in a recliner and sort of forgot to watch what was going on down here. :dizzy:

His people are awake (Heb 10:25).

…[I]s no different than claiming Harvey is a product of climate change.

Here’s what we know about Harvey. It was a hurricane. That’s all we know about Harvey. :Plain: We don’t read chicken entrails and tea leaves to discover what God is telling us about two hurricanes (Ac 17:22) . :hammer:

Biblical prophecy claims the world will end on Sept. 23…

Have you ever read your bible? Ge 8:22

[Fox News] Christian numerologists claim that the world will end on Sept. 23, 2017 as they believe a planet will collide with Earth. Link

Wormwood will impact the earth after the rapture of the church (Rev. 8:11). 

See:

Satan Knows 9/23... Understanding Occultic Numerology to Understand Our Enemy Barry Scarbrough

Reply to Valles

[Revelation 12 sign (Re 12:1-2)] A day which has so much significance to it…

The significance of a 2000 year old prophecy being fulfilled is the likelihood of the rapture of the church.

When we look at the celestial sign ahead on September 23rd—the sign of the Son of Man.

False (2 Pet. 2:1). :dizzy: The Revelation 12 sign (Re 12:1-2) on 23 Sept 17, Feast of Trumpets is not the sign of the Son of Man (Mt 24:30).

On or around 23 Sept 17 is likely the rapture of the church.  The return of Christ to the earth occurs 3 ½ years later.  People should not be prepared for another sign pointing to 3 ½ years until his second coming :hammer: People should be prepared to go in the rapture.  :rapture: Unbelievers and make-believers will be left behind (Lk 21:36).

The sign of the Son of Man.  That part of that sign.

False (2 Pet. 2:1). :dizzy:  Two different things.  The rapture of the church is the next event to occur on God’s prophetic calendar.  The second coming occurs 3 ½ years later.  Those who are not raptured will never be called Christ’s bride (Re 21:9).     Bride (Re 12:11) :straight:-- tribulation saints (Re 13:7) — two different things. 

[Coiled up seals in graphic :hammer:] We’re already into progression of signs [seals] that scripture says would happen before…

False (2 Pe 2:1).  :dizzy:  Seals 1-6 will not occur from today until Saturday no matter how hard to try to coil and squish them into your timeline.  Seals are not opened until the departure of the church, likely on or around 23 Sept 17, the Feast of Trumpets (Re 12:1-2).

People have the question—how can this all fit into the little window that we see?

Good question.  :idea: Your false window (2 Pe 2:1) gets smaller daily and your viewers have begun to notice. 

…We can’t wrap our mind around how it can happen so quickly.

That’s because seals 1-5 occur in the 3 ½ years after the rapture of the church, likely on or around 23 Sept 17, Feast of Trumpets. :hammer:

World War III happens right before the sign appears…

The Revelation 12 sign (Re 12:1-2) [rapture] is not the sign of the Son of Man [second coming] and the sign of the Son of Man (Mt 24:30) [second coming] is not the Revelation 12 sign [rapture].   :dizzy:

Those with ears to hear hear what the spirit is saying to the churches.  The Lord woke the watchmen up years ago.   The spirit :straight:has confirmed all of this in dreams and visions as well (Joel 2:28).

The Lord’s first coming was a first birth.  The Revelation 12 sign is a second birth ([harpazo (Re 12:5)].  He is the head (Eph. 1:22).  We are his body (Col. 1:18).  What did you call him/us—some kind of Frankenstein? :scripto: That will come up again (Mt 12:36, Re 20:11).  

See:

Harpazo Rapturo

Christ is coming before any of the tribulation seals are opened.

Which is it? :hammer: Your charts have had seals opening prior to “the sign”.   

What coming? :idunno: There is a coming in the clouds (the rapture [1 Thess 4:17]) and there is a coming on the earth (second coming [Zech 14:4]).    

…Tribulation of those days…

False (2 Pe 2:1).  :dizzy: The tribulation does not begin until the church is removed.

See:

Order of Events 2 Thess 2 Missler  

There’s going to be no delay between seals, 1, 2, 3…6.  Two...three days.

No seal will be opened until after the removal of the church.  :hammer:Seals 1-5 are opened in the first 3 ½ years of the tribulation (Is 26:20).  

[Study] It’s not to find out the day or the hour because we won’t know that…

Guess the writer of Hebrews didn’t know what he was talking about (Heb 10:25).  :idunno:

davidbrainerd replied

9 more days...

For us (Heb 10:25).  :rapture:1260 for you (1 Thess 5:7). 

ziggy33200 replied

[Re 12, 23 Sept 17, Feast of Trumpets] The rapture will not happen on that day…

I thought :freak:  no man knew the day or hour (2 Pe 3:4, Re 3:3). :idunno:

Reply to J*****n 

...[I]t...appeared to be the women...[a] representation of Old Testament Israel.

Yes, the woman represents Israel.  She is giving birth to the church on or around  :rapture: 23 Sept 17. 

See: 

It's obvious once you think about it. Clarke

...The moon… 

The moon is the seconds hand on a clock.  Once the moon passes below her feet, that is the fulfillment of the prophecy.  One watchman, Tony Lamb, plans to blow the shofar at his church on that day.     

See: 

9-23-17 Rapture/Tribulation Dream Lamb

[Harvest Bible Church, Denver sermon 17 Sept 17 no mention of Re 12 sign] …I am very cautious of worldly wisdom.  

The world has no clue that he’s coming (1 Thess 5:2).  The Magi/watchmen do (1 Thess 5:4).  Those claiming to have the spirit of God in the churches, :straight: we may find out did not (Ro 8:14, Matt. 25:1–13).  The spirit has been saying to the churches that now is the time to look up (Lk 21:36).  The spirit has not mentioned Toby Keith or the Broncos to me; but, he has pointed to the Revelation 12 sign (Ac 17:11).  

I understand our desire to be home with Christ, but we have to be very cautious not to misunderstand simply because we want something badly.

Our wanting earns us a crown.  Our not wanting merits our losing said crown (Re 3:11).  I’m keeping my crown and might even earn another one before week’s end.  Whatever brings him the reward for his suffering, I’m all for that.   

Trust me, I would want nothing better than to be with Christ on September 23rd, but I think there is more work to be done here. 

I know of women whose existence is to be deposited daily into the ground until her :CRASH: Muslim rapist has need of her.  He pulls her up, rapes her and the re-deposits her back into a vertical hole in the ground.  She’s had quite enough of this world (Ro 8:22, 2 Co 4:14).  In 3 ½ years, my God will begin to rule and reign (Re 19:6). 

Our work here is finished (2 Ti 4:7).  Now, God to returns to his plans for his wife, Israel (Re 22:20). 

Reply to Grady Edwards 

Stop trying to be God and say the rapture will happen 9-23.

God tells us differently (Eze 33:6).  :juggle:

…[B]e ready and keep being diligent.

What do you think we’ve been doing?  We’ve been studying ever since the Re 12 sign appeared.  Have you? Ac 17:11

Now is not the time to hunker down and just wait.

Who’s sitting around eating bon bons?  We are sharing what we’ve learned (Ac 20:20). :Poly:

That's what the enemy wants us to do.

The enemy is working overtime to be sure that you do not look up (Re 3:3).    

Reply to Cathy Ewer

Isn't it sad that concerning the rapture teachings, the Church has taught for many years that No man knoweth the day or hour…

Sounds like for those teachers that he will come like a thief (1 Thess 5:2).  :idunno: Not to us :straight: (1 Thess 5:4).

Did your pastor mention the Re 12 sign at church?  Mine did not--dereliction of duty.

Reply to Glade Goding

If you are willfully sinning - you are not rapture ready. Repent of your sins and turn from them.

No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God (1 Jn 3:9).

Reply to Roy Grandbois

Getting ready is done with repentance. Much of the church has not moved forward in to repentance and will therefore not be ready. See parable of the 10 virgins.

Yeppers. :thumb:

Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Men and brethren, what shall we do?”

Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.” Ac 2:37–38

See:

Calculating the Probability of the Revelation 12 Sign | Following False Teachers  HamrickCE 

Reply to Cindy Kittinger

There are rewards for those who love his appearing.  Can't wait, can't shut up…

Darn tootin’. :BillyBob:

A crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing (2 Ti 4:8).   

Reply to Cyndi Rice Spikes My greatest observation and disappointment is that the "church" is silent. So sad!

Pathetic (Ro 1:16). :nono: 

GISMYS replied

…[T]he god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving…

The god of this world is in control (Mt 4:9). His followers would love to keep it that way (Eccl 10:2, Jn 10:10). His reign ends in 3 ½ years (Re 11:17). 

Josheb replied

…[D]estroying people and destroying the earth are two entirely different things.

The earth will be destroyed and made new (Is 65:17). 

simplicio View Post

We are rapidly approaching the alignment of the heavens for the finale which was written before the foundations of time.

If you’re right, then Jesus lied (Dan 9:24) when he said no man knew the day or hour (Mk 13:32). Keep reading (Re 1:1-2, 22:10).

Simpletruther View Post

We could also prepare for when the earth's oceans soon boil away from climate change…

Oh, your climate is going to change (2 Pe 3:10). Don't be here when it does (Lk 21:36). :rapture:

Simpletruther View Post

Many Christians don't hold to the idea that the rapture is coming this week...

And many Christians aren't Christians :straight:(Ro 8:14). :dizzy:

And very, very few Christians think the rapture is coming next week...

The bride is special, indeed (Re 21:9).   

How to Win all 5 Crowns in Heaven

dale1257 replied
So just to be clear, you are saying that you believe that the rapture will happen on 23 Sept 2017?

There is a good possibility that the rapture of the church will be on or around 23 Sept 17, Feast of Trumpets (Re 12:1-2).

The Sign  (Poor Quality)

Jimmy Evans 09-14-2017 (Fwd to 20:00 minute mark)

Reply to Deborah Burge

The covered image in Google sky is just the sign of what is happening on the earth right now.

And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: [The Re 12 Sign 23 Sept 17, Feast of Trumpets] And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. [Travails getting to this point]  And there appeared another wonder in heaven; [to occur after the rapture, likely on or around 23 Sept 17] and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.  And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.  And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: [We, the church, held/will hold that rod of iron.] and her child was caught up unto God, [harpazo, raptured] and to his throne [We go to the throne room of God.].  And the woman fled into the wilderness, [Israel flees at the mid-point of the tribulation.] where she hath a place prepared of God, [80,000 bibles are there waiting for her.] that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. [The Lord cares for her under his wings.] Re 12.

Reply to Strange Sounds

[Hurricane Maria pic]

 “Place of the skull” (Golgotha). Pph 4:14

Reply to Otilia Saint Etornam

Angels also created humans right?  

No.  Angels are created beings (Ps. 148:2, 5; Col. 1:16).  We judge the fallen ones (1 Co 6:3).  Payback’s a beeach. :Clete:

Reply to Annolene Rudd Strydom

[Cloud pic South Africa]

New clouds have been discovered.  Maybe God’s gettin’ the sky all pillowy for our landing (1 Thess 4:17). :cloud9:

Reply to Deborah Burge

I think Satan's sign is already there.

We can give our best guess as to what the dragon wonder will be (Re 12:3). But, our divine appointment is the Feast of Trumpets (Re 12:1-2). :rapture:

Truth7t7 replied

You previously stated "On Sept 23rd"...

:yawn: You've misquoted me (Eph 4:14). :juggle:

23 Sept 17

Now you're adding "around Sept 23rd"...

:yawn: You've misquoted me (Eph 4:14).

...around 23 Sept 17.  

...and "a good possibility".  Big Smiles!

Your smiles will likely end on or around 23 Sept 17 (2 Pe 3:4, 1 Thess 5:3).  

This Sunday, Sept 24th you and those you follow become false prophets and teachers!

:yawn: You’re projecting again (2 Pe 2:1). The watchmen are fine servants of the Lord (Eph 4:14). They’ve said look up (Eze 33:6). You say don’t (Re 3:3).   

Reply to Marion Lombard

[New Moon sighted Jerusalem]

Whoomp There It Is! My next layover will be in New Jerusalem.   I don’t even know the city code!

Leaving on a Jet Plane ~ Peter, Paul and Mary  

keras View Post

Christians will occupy the holy Land…

We will commute between New Jerusalem and earth (which is fine for me because I’ve always been a commuter [DEN-NYC]).     

Reply to Jack Nichols

I could be wrong, and it wouldn't be too much of a shock that it might happen just before the Great Sign too, on Saturday evening above Jerusalem (morning here in the USA).

The moon must pass below her feet (Re 12:1-2).  This sign will explain where we’ve gone (Re 12:5).  It’s not about us (1 Cor. 15:51).  We’re outta here.  It’s about them.  Now, God returns to his plans for Israel.

Reply to Eric McGinty

[Vid falling stars Mk 13:25] I think demons and/or fallen angels are starting to show up and possibly getting into position...

And her Child was caught up to God and His throne. [Us, we’re outta here.] Then the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, that they should feed her there one thousand two hundred and sixty days. [Israel and the first half of the tribulation]

And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. [He’s booted out of heaven (Mt 22:12).  No more complaining  about us.]

Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, “Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death. [Us, the church, the overcomers] Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! [We are where he is.] Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! [Unbelieving Jews, trib saints] For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.” [Their persecution begins.] Re 12:5–12.

Reply to Winfrey

[Begley]

He’s all about current events.  Sort of got his eye off the ball—Jesus.  He’s planning for seven years when the devil reigns (in actuality only 3 ½ years)—maybe that’s because he works for him.  :idunno:  If he remains after the rapture, he didn’t have the Holy Spirit.  :straight:He was a foolish virgin.  Are you serious?  :straight:Yes, I am (Matt. 25:1–13).

[Rapture, a mid-trib event]

False (Is 26:20).

The child is he who will rule the world with a rod of iron.

We had the rod.  The Lord now begins to rule with a rod of iron.  Prior to that going down, Jews and trib saints must endure to the mid-point of the tribulation (Re 19:6).

Jesus is the one who will rule them with a rod of iron.

:yawn: Strawman (Eph 4:14). 

Who held that rod until now? 

She bore a male Child [Jesus] who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron.  [That didn’t happen.  They rejected their Messiah.  The church represents God on the earth.] And her Child was caught up [Harpazo] to God and His throne Re 12:5. 

Who holds authority when we’re gone?--The two witnesses who prophecy for 3 ½ years.  Jesus does not step foot on the mount of Olives until 3 ½ years after we’re gone (Zech 14:4).  He doesn’t leave the world without a witness.

I just ask you not to be disappointed.

Of course we would be disappointed.  It’s possible that all the watchmen got it wrong.  We’re human.  We make mistakes.

It’s a regular event.

False (2 Pet. 2:1). :dizzy:  The Revelation 12:1-2 sign is being fulfilled on 23 Sept 17, Feast of Trumpets—nothing regular about that at all.  There will be no greater watch time in the foreseeable future.  We ditched imminency when the Revelation 12 sign appeared.  We re-studying eschatology to figure out where we are and why we’re seeing the sign now.  :Poly: 

It would be strange for the Re 12 to appear and for it not to mean anything for the Jews—not to mention the other markers around this time.

It’s part of the end-times delusion.

...The Jews didn’t believe the first time he came.  You want to throw your hat in with that crowd?  Can a mid-tribber (and apostate to my mind) earn a crown of righteousness for having loved his loved his appearing?  :idunno: 2 Ti 4:8.  You want him to come; but do you believe  he’s coming?  Can you see him through the lattice? Sng 2:9  I think it’s going to take a little faith for us to get from here to there. 

It’s a bandwagon effect.

Bandwagon :idunno: Sprit of God Ro 8:14

We need to pray for ‘em...

We’ll take that; but you need prayer, as well (1 Pe 3:8).

Reply to Empson

Remember, these are just signs…

The bible calls this a great wonder (Re 12:1). :Poly:

Don’t get into a lot of this other stuff that’s goin’ on—astrology and things like that.

Astrology is evil (Ex 20:4).  Astronomy is great (Ge 1:14).

All our truth and wisdom comes from the Lord.

The sun, moon and stars were not arranged by the Lord? :dizzy: Ge 1:1

I feel like a lot of people are going to get really upset if nothing happens on the 23rd.

The watchmen (I guess I’m one of them now—I don’t really do walls and shofars) would be perplexed (Lk 21:25).  They’d dust off their bibles (only 8 hours of dust on them) and go back to the drawing board to see what they got wrong.  It would be odd for God to speak to us all and then leave us hangin’ (I don’t do high-fives either).

Reply to Vinny Smith

We are not prepping…

We are not told to prep with:  gold, guns or groceries.  :dizzy: Here’s the only preparation: Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved (Ac 16:31). :Poly:

Reply to Jace Neil Hamilton

Does anyone know what time the shofar is blown on the Feast of Trumpets?

Only concerned with that last one. ;)  Serpent Dove—not a Jew (2 Ti 2:15).

Reply to Christine Gausden

I saw someone I know and love making fun saying crazy Christians believe that another planet is going to hit earth on the 23rd and end the world...

Guess they haven’t read Ge 8:22. :idunno:

Nothing will hit the earth until God allows something to hit the earth (Rev. 8:11).

…[U]ntil something happens some just will never believe…

God tried: 

1. The dispensation of Innocence. A dispensation that was in effect from the creation to the Fall.

2. The dispensation of Conscience. A dispensation that was in effect from the Fall until Noah.

3. The dispensation of Civil Government. A dispensation that was in effect from Noah until Abraham.

4. The dispensation of Promise or Patriarchal Rule. A dispensation that was in effect from Abraham until the giving of the Law.

5. The dispensation of the Mosaic Law. A dispensation that was in effect from the giving of the Law until the 1st Coming of Christ.

6. The dispensation of Grace. A dispensation that was in effect from the 1st Coming of Christ to the 2nd Coming of Christ.

7. The dispensation of the Millennium. A dispensation that will be in effect from the 2nd Coming of Christ until the beginning of the Eternal Order at the end of the 1,000 years.

  Garcia Are You a Dispensationalist?

Reply to Jordan Riley

The world is not ending on Sept 23rd

:yawn: Strawman Eph 4:14

Ge 8:22, 1 Thess. 4:16, 17 

Reply to Jimmy Carter

[Meme] Once we are all gone, who will offend the liberals?

The two witnesses (Re 11:3).  Al Gore is going to blow a gasket.

Reply to Leigh Ann Pitts

Has anyone asked about all the people groups of the world being reached? Has this happened?

Men are responsible for the light given them.  Responsibility is increased by:  sight (John 9:39–41), privilege (John 15:22, 24), opportunity (Matt. 11:20–24), continuance in sin (Matt. 23:31–35), rejection (Matt. 10:11–15). Thomas Nelson Publishers. (1996). Nelson’s quick reference topical Bible index (p. 529). Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers.

Reply to Danny Mccurtain

[Ready for rapture] You were ready the very moment you came to the knowledge of Jesus Christ…

"If you blow off God, He'll blow you off too." ~ Doug Giles  

“If you blow God off.  For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord. And again, “The Lord will judge His people.” It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God (Heb 10:26–31).  

Reply to Katrina Cooper Hammond

[After rapture] I'll stay and love them…

If you stay, you did not love (1 Jn 3:14).   

[Used with permission (1 Jn 3:14, Ac 20;20)] If I go I didn't love Serpent Dove. Don't use my father's scripture without his character in your heart.

Watch therefore, and pray always, that you may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man (Lk 21:36).  

Reply to GISMYS  

[Natural disasters] “It's time to "look up!" Hal Lindsey

It's nice to tell people why you know that (Re 12:1-2).  

GISMYS replied

At this point, the horrible tribulation hour begins to unfold.

The tribulation does not begin until the church is raptured, likely on or around 23 Sept 17, Feast of Trumpets (Re 12:1-2).  Jupiter has been “birthed” already.  When the moon passes below Virgo’s feet, the Re 12:1-2 prophecy will be fulfilled.  We aren’t waiting on a man’s trumpet/shofar.  We are waiting on the Lord Jesus himself to come for his bride, the church (1 Thess. 4:16, 17).

Up to this point, the world has experienced the beginning of sorrows (Mt 24:8, Re 12:2).  They ain’t seen nothin’ yet.  All hell breaks loose when we leave (1 Thess 5:3).

…[G]reat numbers of both Jews and Gentiles will be killed for refusing to receive the mark of the beast…

If they miss the rapture and wish to ever see heaven, then they will die for their faith.  Overcomers are the bride (Re 12:11).  Trib saints are overcome (Re 13:7). 

Reply to Leigh Ann Pitts

Feeling disheartened by so many other believers attacking and mocking. Constantly being beaten over the head with 'no man knows the day'.

They don’t know the day or hour (1 Thess 5:1-2).  Believers do (1 Thess 5:4).  You don’t get disheartened by blind men who can’t see what you’re seeing, do you? 

It seems most have not studied that phrase and what else it could mean.

Period, dot, bingo. 

Reply to Shannon Anderson

…I cannot stop wanting to just sing and dance!

That’s what we were made for!  Let’s bust a move for our God!

See: 

The Power of the Shout and the Reason for the Dance  Stone

Reply  Allison Rose Ferguson

When the rapture happens will everyone hear the trumpets or just the people who believe?

Just us (Re 2:7).  Remember that terrible movie with Nicolas Cage about the rapture?   Everyone kept running around saying Where did everyone go?  Where did everyone go?  Image

The bride is rare.  Will they even know we’ve gone?  Maybe I just have an Elijah complex (1 Ki 19:18).  :idunno:

Satan works to deceive them right away.       

Reply to Kelvin Kuan

How can one be filled with joy in being raptured and eating at the marriage supper of the Lamb if one's family is going through the 7 years of tribulation on earth?

3 ½ years.  We don’t rejoice in our circumstances.  We rejoice in the Lord (Php 4:4).  There will be tears on that day (Re 21:4).  Keep praying.  It’s not too late.

Examples of intercession:  Moses (Ex. 32:11–13), Joshua (Josh. 7:6–9), Jehoshaphat (2 Chr. 20:5–13), Isaiah (2 Chr. 32:20), Daniel (Dan. 9:3–19), Christ (John 17:1–26), Paul (Col. 1:9–12).  Thomas Nelson Publishers. (1996). Nelson’s quick reference topical Bible index (pp. 319–320). Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers.

So, all earthly relationships will be absolutely meaningless when we come into His presence?

No, of course not.  He loves.  We love. 

…[W]e will just be so obsessively fixated on Christ that all the family and friends will mean nothing should any of them be fighting for their lives during the tribulation?

We’ll still be praying for them when we’re there—hoping that they will listen to the two witnesses.  If/when they take the mark of the beast, we can stop praying (Re 14:9-11).  

Reply to Jennifer Workman

I just want to say that if the rapture doesn't happen on the 23rd, I'll still be here in this group praying for everyone that we don't lose hope or be discouraged.

We have joy today.  We’ll have joy tomorrow whether in our glorified bodies or not (Php 4:7). :straight:

We know that the signs are from God so we know that we are in the end of the age.

We’ve been in the end of the age since the Book of Acts.  Paul connected the rapture to the Feast of Trumpets (1 Co 15:52).   Daniel sealed the vision and prophecy (Dan 9:24) John unsealed it (Re 22:10).

We’ve studied (2 Ti 2:15) .  I think we’re go for launch (Re 12:1-2).  :idunno:

Whether we're caught up or left to endure we need to stick together and encourage one another and dive deeper into our bibles than ever before.

Of course.   That’s what we do.  :Poly: I just had planned on my next bible study being with Daniel himself--after I dance a jig with David.   

Reply to Myra Key

Put yourself in Mary's shoes.

No thanks.  :juggle:My eyes are on Jesus (Php 3:10). :straight:

We are saved by grace alone (Eph 2:8-9), through faith alone (Eph 1:13; 2Ti 1:10), in Christ alone (Isa 45:21,22; 59:16; Ac 4:12).  Roman Catholics :olinger: deny this (Jude 1:11). :burnlib:

See:

No Mary Worship 

Reply to Lorraine Taylor “…[M]y husband , he left me on the last blood moon , not even recognizing the significance of the day , till I told him you do realize in an hour it's the last blood moon don't you ? He didn't care

Part of the falling away (2 Thess 2:3).  I’m sorry that happened to you.  Happened to me, too.  :sigh: Our bridegroom is faithful and true (Re 19:11).  :straight:

[He] lives in another town with that woman…

Evil (Heb 13:4). 

We’re going home soon.  Does it all make sense now?

Reply to DeNoon

[No rapture today, looking for the Antichrist]

You don’t think there will be a rapture; but, you do think that the antichrist will come on the scene?  :dizzy:

Re-read 2 Thess 2 to learn the order of events :hammer: The rapture is the next event on God’s prophetic calendar.  It’s not all about the Antichrist.  It’s all about Jesus.  King Jesus is returning! Re 12:1-5

By the way, you keep teaching the same scripture over and over (Ob 1:6).  Too bad you did not take this time to study the Re 12 sign.  :idunno: Too bad. :chz4brnz:

Reply to Toney  

"It is 70 years from 1947 to the rebirth of Israel.

It is the 50th anniversary or year of Jubilee for Jerusalem.

It is the 500th anniversary of the Reformation.

It is the 70th anniversary of the Dead Sea Scrolls.

It is the 120th Jubilee from Adam.

It is the 70th Jubilee since Canaan.

It is the 40th Jubilee since Christ’ death.

It [Re 12 sign] lands on the exact same day as the Feast of Trumpets--exactly.

It is the 70th Jubilee since Exodus (1483 B.C.).

It marks year 5777 on the Jewish calendar…”    

Reply to Toney

[Loving our pets] “I’m a little concerned because we’ve lowered ourselves…”

Then the Lord sent Nathan to David. And he came to him, and said to him: “There were two men in one city, one rich and the other poor. The rich man had exceedingly many flocks and herds. But the poor man had nothing, except one little ewe lamb which he had bought and nourished; and it grew up together with him and with his children. It ate of his own food and drank from his own cup and lay in his bosom; and it was like a daughter to him. And a traveler came to the rich man, who refused to take from his own flock and from his own herd to prepare one for the wayfaring man who had come to him; but he took the poor man’s lamb and prepared it for the man who had come to him.” The New King James Version. (1982). (2 Sa 12:1–4). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

We don’t apologize for loving our animals.   

A good man takes care of his animals.  But even the kindest acts of the wicked are cruel. Pr 12:10, ICB 

Reply to Eric McGinty

[Pets] I have been petitioning the Lord for the past week to bring my three fur babies with me and I am praying for your pets too!

Clarke was discussing that in his latest vid.  He said that he believes pets will be going with us.  They don’t deserve what’s coming on the earth (Ro 8:22).  Besides, he said, Noah took his pets with him (Lk 17:26).  ;)

Look up.  Don’t look back (Lk 17:32).    

Reply to Carol Franklin Adams Are you looking for The lion of the Tribe of Judah today…[?]

The prophecy Narnia:  The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe

Reply to Jason Carroll

Time to meet your maker.

Maranatha!  

Reply to Robert Rodriguez

What does that mean?

Come, Lord Jesus! :straight:Re 22:20 

GISMYS View Post

Jack Van Impe and Hal Lindsey had nothing to say about September 23rd.

On his last vid, Impe mentioned Revelation 12:1 and they did not edit it out. 

Reply to Richard Khor

I am on night watch.

God bless ya. :thumb:

Then He came and found them sleeping, and said to Peter, “Simon, are you sleeping? Could you not watch one hour?" :smack: Mk 14:37   

TomL replied

[Not 23 Sept 17] I will be glad when this nonsense [is] over.

It ain’t over ‘til the fat lady sings (Gen 7:1-4, Lev 25:9, Eze 40:1, Re 12:1-5).:BillyBob:

"I ain't heard no fat lady." ~ Captain Steven Hiller, Independence Day

See: 

Feast of Trumpets & Yom Kippur on the Same Day! Midnight Hour Oil     

TribulationSigns replied

Man child is Christ, himself.

That’s one layer. Another layer is his body, the church is to be born (Re 12:1-5). We need to be born again (1 Pe 1:23).   

 

“…[W]e are in a Jubilee year and there is one more trumpet that is only sounded in a Jubilee year to announce the start of the New Year:

Lev 25:9 Then shalt thou cause the trumpet of the jubilee to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month, in the Day of Atonement shall ye make the trumpet sound throughout all your land.

Ezekiel also describes such an event where the beginning of the year is equated to the 10th day of the month:

Eze 40:1 In the five and twentieth year of our captivity, in the beginning of the year, in the tenth day of the month, in the fourteenth year after that the city was smitten, in the selfsame day the hand of the LORD was upon me, and brought me thither.

This only happens during a Jubilee and this may be the reason for the delay…

… The New Year of a Jubilee is announced with the sounding of a trump on the 10th day of the seventh month, different to how it would be done on the Feast of Trumpets for all the other non-jubilee years…” God’s Roadmap to the End 

 

The 23rd is not the issue (it’s still the 23rd in Jerusalem). The last trump is the issue  (1 Co 15:52). In a Jubilee year, that is delayed.

GondwanaLand View Post

[Mocking another member (2 Pe 3:4)] Been raptured yet?

Something about 'at the last trump' you don't get? Gen 7:1-4, Lev 25:9, Eze 40:1 

inertia View Post

Fact: The September 23rd predictions didn't come true.  According to Answers in Genesis:  "Many videos on the Internet are promoting this. On this date, the sun will be in the constellation Virgo (the virgin), along with the moon near Virgo’s feet...”


Near, not under (Re 12:1).  :juggle:

Near or under signifies nothing.

If you’re a pauper :idunno: (Pr 25:2, Am 3:7, Re 1:6, 3:17).

Reply to Jay Tsunami

Stay strong in faith brothers and sisters.  This is our true test.  The sign has been fulfilled and the rapture is not a matter of if but when.

You know that in a race all the runners run but only one wins the prize, don't you? You must run in such a way that you may be victorious (1 Co 9:24).

davidbrainerd View Post

It’s over already.

False (2 Pet. 2:1). :dizzy:  7-8 more days to go (Gen 7:1-4, Lev 25:9, Eze 40:1).

davidbrainerd replied

7 more days to go? You've already re-date-set…

We are not concerned with a day.  We are concerned with ‘the last trump’ (1 Co 15:52).     

Just when I thought we couldn’t find another 7 in the Book of Revelation.  Here’s another one.  :noway: We are in bible times.

GondwanaLand replied

[Last trump (1 Co 15:52)] We're going to have more than one Trump?...

Image  

 

The believer must be born of incorruptible seed (2 Pe 1:23).  He will appear in the throne room of God (Re 12:5).

 Ge 7:10, 17:12, 14, Lev 12:2, 25:9, Jon 3:4, Lk 2:21-24, 34

See:

Re 12, Church Birth:  Unclean Until Atonement. Scarbrough  

Reply to Valles

“Are we looking at a rapture sign?  No.”

False (2 Pet. 2:1). :dizzy:  We are waiting for the last trump (1 Co 15:52) which has not occurred (Gen 7:1-4, Lev 25:9, Eze 40:1).  It’s delayed until Yom Kipper on a Jubilee year (Gen 7:1-4, Lev 25:9, Eze 40:1).

"If I can go that distance, seein’ that bell ring and I’m still standing, I’m gonna know for the first time in my life ya see that I weren’t just another bum from the neighborhood.”  ~ Rocky

The Distance ~ Cake 2 Ti 4:7

TribulationSigns View Post

[7 day delay]  I bet you have thought of it ahead of time... 

"I didn't mean to bug ya." :chz4brnz: ~ Bono, U2 Lk 2:34 

Reply to K Tdid

[Apology]

You have nothing to apologize for, sweet thing.... 

...The sign was our sign that it’s time to go home (Re 12:1-5).  The believer must be born of incorruptible seed (2 Pe 1:23).  Last I checked, I’m still in this meat bag of flesh.  We will know when we’ve been born of incorruptible seed, when we appear in the throne room of God (Re 12:5).    

No filthy thing will ever enter into heaven’s gate (Re 21:27).

roby3 View Post

Sept. 24 now, and no rapture....Another one bites the dust.

:yawn: That would be your father (Jn 8:44, 2 Pe 3:4, Lk 2:34). :juggle:

The rapture didn’t happen.

Tell them why it didn’t happen pastor.  We aren’t waiting for a day.  We are waiting for ‘the last trump’ which hasn’t been blown yet.   It is delayed until Yom Kipper on a Jubilee year (Gen 7:1-4, Lev 25:9, Eze 40:1). 

Clarke is not rewriting eschatology and he’s never set a date for the rapture.  He’s a guy with a YouTube channel who has debated the Revelation 12 sign in the threads for years.  Frankly, he’s doing what you high theologians should have been doing all this time—telling people the truth (Ac 20:20).  :Poly: Namely, why is the Revelation 12 sign being fulfilled in the sky when I thought that Revelation 12 came after Revelation 11 and Revelation 11 came after Revelation 10?  What am I seeing it now?  Where are we?  There are parenthetical chapters in the Book of Revelation and chapter 12 is one of them.    

Daniel sealed the vision and prophecy (Dan 9:24) John unsealed it (Re 22:10).  A lot happened after Jesus said that no man knows the day or hour (an idiom for the Feast of Trumpets) [Heb 10:25].

By the way, J. Vernon McGee said a preacher doesn’t need a doctorate.  He went ahead and got his degree because he knew that people would make a big fuss about it (1 Co 2:1).

[Jonathan Kleck]

False teacher who believes the archangel Michael spoke to him.  He runs around saying thus sayeth the Lord.       

He teaches serpent seed doctrine (e.g. the queen turns into a lizard when people aren’t watching [2 Pe 2:1]).

Reply to Scarbrough  

[A great wonder]

Is Kipper ready to go?  Get his/her paws up—Abba up.

We live in a post Revelation 12:1-2 orld. 

davidbrainerd replied

I didn't hear any trump...…

You'll have to have ears to hear. Put on your listening ears before Saturday.

Reply to Ivan D'Brot

…[S]tudying all this is useless.

If you’d like to show yourself unapproved, sure (2 Ti 2:15). :idunno:

If Clarke is right—and I’ve come to believe that he is—then the Re 12 sign gets this whole party started.  Do you have a better answer as to why we’re seeing the sign now?

Reply to Scarbrough

…death threats...

Yikes.  Maybe you’ll get another crown before the week’s over (Lk 2:34). 

Ceremonially circumcise us this weekend…

Let’s get cleaned up (Eze 44:9).  I’ll be fit to live with him forever, when I find myself in the thorn room (1 Pe 1:23).  :rapture:  Until then, I’m still in need of a heart transplant (Jer 17:9, Ro 7:15).   

[Mocking]

They call me Serpent:duh: :skeptic: (2 Pe 3:3).   

Reply to Winfrey

These so called signs…

So called? :squint: Daniel said knowledge would increase (Dan 12:4).  We’ve only recently had the technology to find the sign.  Did you expect the Revelation 12 sign to look like something else?  How could it look to your mind to fulfill the prophecy?   

…[A]re people's guesses as to what the meaning of the signs are.

We don’t guess.  We study to show ourselves approved (2 Ti 2:15). :Poly:

There millions of stars moving around that can look like all kinds of things.  

If you’re right, the rapture won’t occur on Saturday (7 day delay/Jubilee).  If Daniel and I are right (Dan 12:4), it will.

I will ask you this: When nothing happens by the end of these feast dates this fall...

Mocker--not the way you want to enter into eternity.  Don’t take the role of a Pharisee when you could go down in history as a Magi because you looked into:  where we are and what it means.   

…[W]ill you come back on here and apologize?

For what?  Telling you to look up so that you can get another crown? 2 Ti 4:8.  We’ve said watch (Re 3:3). 

Will you say, sorry pastor for trying to correct you…

Will you say sorry watchman for telling you to come down off that wall?

...since I am not a pastor…

:yawn: Since you are not a watchman (Eze 33:6, 1 Co 12:21).

…just excited to grasp at anything…

Anything :idunno: a great wonder Re 12:1         

See:

You Can't Handle the Truth about Rev 12 Sign & Star of Bethlehem | "Nothing Happened" on Sep 23 Cioccolanti 

The Prayer of Daniel 9 and the vision of the end l Call to prayer and repentance "Days of Awe" Parable of the Vinyard

Reply to Valles

I was just talking with another watchmen tonight…

False (2 Pet. 2:1). :dizzy:  The watchmen have responsibly explained what the Re 12 sign means (2 Ti 2:15).  You have attempted to draw people’s attention away from the significance of the sign.

It’s rehearsing the birth of Immanuel.

Jewish prophecy consists of patterns repeating themselves.  The Revelation 12 alignment on the Feast of Trumpets (which we are still in, by the way [7 day delay/Jubilee (1 Co 15:52)]) is our indication that the church will be raptured (Harpazo, Re 12:5) and the tribulation will begin.  You have denied this (Eph 4:14).

We’ve seen this pregnancy rehearsal.

Two births:

1.  Jesus to Mary 2000 years ago:  Christ, the head of the church (Eph. 1:22; Eph. 5:23; Col. 1:18).

2.  The church to the throne room of God (Acts 2:31) at this time:  his bride (Rev. 21:2, 9), the body of the church (Col. 1:24) conceived at Pentecost (Luke 1:34, 35) and growing until now (Luke 2:40, 52; Heb. 5:8, 9).   

Christ dwells in the believer (Eph. 1:23).  His body will rule and reign with a rod of iron (Re 2:27).

We’ve seen the sign of the Son of Man begin…

False (2 Pet. 2:1). :dizzy:   You equate the Revelation 12 sign with the sign of the Son of Man—two different things.  The rapture is not the second coming and the second coming is not the rapture. :hammer:

The events of seals one though six…that will happen in mere hours…

False (2 Pet. 2:1). :dizzy:   No seal is opened until the church is raptured.  :hammer:

See:

Order of Events 2 Thess 2 Missler    

[More false dragon/s]

:dizzy: Eph 4:14

See:

The Revelation 12 Signs Continue on Atonement! | The Dragon Sign Clarke

Reply to Prinloo

[Re 12]

We’re being circumcised on Saturday (Ga 3:7) .  Yikes. 

davidbrainerd replied

Saturday came and went…

And you didn’t notice anything (Eph 4:14).  :idunno: Good luck with that (Lev 12:2, Ga 3:7). :smokie:

See:

Revelation 12 Sign & Circumcision Covenant    

GISMYS replied

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

He’s given men every last chance to get in the ark:  So Noah, with his sons, his wife, and his sons’ wives, went into the ark because of the waters of the flood. Of clean animals, of animals that are unclean, of birds, and of everything that creeps on the earth, two by two they went into the ark to Noah, male and female, as God had commanded Noah. And it came to pass after seven days that the waters of the flood were on the earth (Ge 7:7–10, emphasis mine).

And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man: They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all (Lk 17:26–27).

But while the bridegroom was delayed, they all slumbered and slept (Mt 25:5).    

God, not man, sounds the last trumpet:  For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God (1 Th 4:16).  

After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither (Re 4:1a, KJV).  

To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD…    ✓ 

…And the day of vengeance of our God (Is 61:2).   

Truth7t7 replied

Have you now moved your prediection...[?]

Our job is to watch (Re 3:3).    Your job it to mock (2 Pe 3:4, Mt 7:6).  :reals:

Reply to Cathy Ewer

I received this in my devotional this morning. Thought I would share it with you guys. “This is to be a lasting ordinance for you: On the tenth day of the seventh month you must deny yourselves and not do any work — whether native-born or a foreigner residing among you . . .  — Leviticus 16:29

This week marks the continuation of the ten days between the start of Rosh Hashanah and ending with Yom Kippur, known as the Days of Awe or the Days of Repentance. It is a time of serious introspection in preparation for Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement, which will be observed on Sept. 30. It is considered the holiest day of the Jewish calendar.

Yom Kippur is a dress rehearsal. When the Bible instructs, “you must deny yourselves,” it refers to five “denials” in particular. In the Jewish tradition, during Yom Kippur, we don’t eat or drink, wash our bodies, beautify ourselves with creams and cosmetics, engage in marital relations, or wear leather shoes. In other words, we stay away from anything especially physical. As we stand in synagogue with nothing but our deeds behind us and God before us, awaiting judgment for the year to come, we are practicing for our final judgment. In essence, Yom Kippur is a dress rehearsal for death.

When God created the world, He said the same thing on every day of Creation: “it was good” (Genesis 1). There is one exception to that rule. On the sixth day God said, “and it was very good” (Genesis 1:31). The Jewish sages teach that while “it was good ” refers to the potential for life that God had created, “very good” refers to the potential for death…”

There’s nothing good about death (1 Co 15:26).Yom Kippur is a dress rehearsal. When the Bible instructs, “you must deny yourselves,” it refers to five “denials” in particular. In the Jewish tradition, during Yom Kippur, we don’t eat or drink, wash our bodies, beautify ourselves with creams and cosmetics, engage in marital relations, or wear leather shoes. In other words, we stay away from anything especially physical. As we stand in synagogue with nothing but our deeds behind us and God before us, awaiting judgment for the year to come, we are practicing for our final judgment. In essence, Yom Kippur is a dress rehearsal for death.
When God created the world, He said the same thing on every day of Creation: “it was good” (Genesis 1). There is one exception to that rule. On the sixth day God said, “and it was very good” (Genesis 1:31). The Jewish sages teach that while “it was good ” refers to the potential for life that God had created, “very good” refers to the potential for death.
 

I thought this was interesting because it ties up with creation in that we are in our 6th day and it is at the end of that God says it was very good... I also thought the 6th day potential for death is also interesting because the rapture would bring that about.

We don’t die (1 Cor. 15:51–53).

A death of our sinful life and our natural form as we would be transformed into something new.

That something is one’s being born of incorruptible seed, to occur on Saturday (1 Pe 1:23). :rapture:

What are your thoughts and do you think it ties in with what other watchers have been saying?

Watchers are aliens. :squint: Do you mean watchmen?

Most say that we do not know if we are in a Jubilee year (Christ is our Jubilee:straight:).      

We aren’t Jews; but, we are adopted sons in Abraham (Ga 3:7).  The woman, Virgo in this picture in the heavens, is unclean for 7 days.  Her son, us, the church, is a male child to be circumcised on the 8th day.

Reply to Diana Muniz

Interesting to think about in relation to the Sabbath being very good.

Saturday happens to be the Sabbath of Sabbaths (Yom Kippur) on a Sabbath.   

Reply to Christella Salazar

I’m just so tired.

We all are. :smack:

 ”I need you Miao Yin.” ~  Lao Big Trouble in Little China

Reply to Watchman for That Great Day

[Holiday Tarries Hab 2:3]

Wait for it...

 

...Whoo! Hoo!

Song 2  ~ Blur 

Reply to Amanda McWilliams

Who here thinks a world war is about to happen?  

Interesting that the powers that be have also delayed their plans for a week.   

Reply to Charles Joseph Garidel

[23 Sept 17] I repeatedly told friends and people in general I wouldn't put all my eggs in one basket...

Scarbrough give the day a 95% chance of being the rapture.  He left off 5% just because we’re human and get things wrong.

I wish he would have given the day a 93% chance because then God would have found a way to get another 7 into the Book of Revelation. 

We could all wear Elway jerseys (7) on the Sabbath; but, nobody likes the Broncos anymore. :loser: 

Reply to Hamrick

The truth is the rapture is on the last trump which is also the Feast of Trumpets or Yom Teruah. But for only $9.95 it can be on Atonement.  Take your flesh out of the situation. What does the word say? Paul said  "last trump".  That means last trump which historically has never been Atonement but rather the Feast or Trumpets.

At the last trump [idom for the Feast of Trumpets] for the trumpet [σάλπιγξ, σαλπίζω, σαλπιστής] shall sound (1 Co 15:52).

The last trump has not occurred yet.    

Reply to LionOfJudah

This is a jubilee year…

Some say that’s true and others say that that it isn’t true.  If the Lord returns, we’ll know that yes; it was in fact a Jubilee (and Rabbi Judah ben Samuel got it righty, by the way).

…[A]nd so 2017 Feast of Trumpets overlaps and the trumps don't stop until the Feast of Atonement. 

Right.  The last trump has not been blown yet--that long winded one, like Hamrick.  The Feast of Trumpets and Atonement occur on the same day this year.  We are still in 5777.

They're in conjunction with each other. The planets are aligned to tell us something ahead. 

Looks like the moon is headed toward the dragon in the sky and we’re still here.  Who woulda thunk?

Re 12 is still playing out in the sky.  It’s end of regulation—OT and Hamrick left the stadium.  Someone named Yeshu, Great 88, is going to light the lamp and he’ll be on the highway, stuck in traffic and listening to the game on the radio.  When we all get home, we’ll make fun of him for leaving.

I do think it could possibly be this weekend since the feast of trumpets isn't technically over.

That’s right (Hab 2:3).

Time for more nachos and a drink.  It’s a new game.  

Reply to  Bear049

[God] “Doesn’t want a man to get credit [presumably for knowing when he will return]...No rapture, no trumpets blew…”

Is that why the Magi knew he was coming the first time? :dizzy: The Jews should not have known that Jesus was returning? :hammer:Lk 19:44

    Surely the Lord God does nothing,

    Unless He reveals His secret to His servants the prophets.

    A lion has roared!

    Who will not fear?

    The Lord God has spoken!

    Who can but prophesy? Am 3:7–8

We don’t know what day.

Study. :Poly: Maybe you’ll figure it out. :idunno: 2 Ti 2:15

[Claims to have known Trump would win, everyone would hate him]

 Proof please (Eph 4:14). :peach:

[Syria destroyed, etc.]

Move over Sophocles (Is 17:1).

I say that the rapture is imminent.

Who cares what you say?  :idunno: What has God said? :Poly: Eph 4:14

[The number] 700…

:squint:

...Men are not correct.

Guess Daniel shouldn’t have known that seventy years of captivity were coming to an end either (Dan 9).  :idunno:

We are to be watchmen…

You said you do not know the day or the hour.  :squint: You can’t see.  Why would anyone hire you to watch anything? :squint: 1 Thess 5:7 

[Proof that you said Trump would win, everyone would hate him (Eph 4:14)]  Serpent Dove your name says it all.

:chz4brnz:

:yawn: Jn 4:1 

Reply to Savannah Beaumont

So, I'm a little confused on the Jews, they don't recognize Jesus as the Messiah, correct?

That’s right (Ro 11:25).

But they're a lot of people that pray at the wall. Are they praying to God? Sorry still learning.

They are praying now to be put into the Book of Life. 

We, bouncing baby Jupiter (the church) , will be circumcised on Saturday (Ga 3:7). 

Reply to Kieland Shea Edmonds

It’s not the last days without 5 foolish virgins. The Spirit be with us all.

Reply to Sharon Hammons Glaze

I think this is separating those who truly watch and wait...

“Hold.”   ~ Braveheart +   Eph 6:13  

Reply to Cathy Ewer

I think there is link here between circumcision and being made whole.

We are to circumcise our hearts (Deut. 10:16, Jer. 4:4); but, we can’t do that without God (Deut. 30:6).

I am wondering if the sign of Sept 23rd is a sign for the Jews to bring us all together under the same One God.

Signs are for them; not us (Mt 16:4).  The sign will help to explain where we’ve gone :rapture: (if they notice [Re 12:5]).

TomL replied

[Gap]

There is no reason to think that there will be a gap after the rapture of the church (1 Co 15:52).  The rapture will be the first Domino to fall. 

Reply to Cathy Ewer  

…[S]o as [we] are circumcised by faith and they are circumcised by the law…

All men have always been saved the same way—by grace through faith (Eph 2:8-9).   

…[I]s it possible to bring us all together…

We have been grafted in.  They are the original olive tree (Ro 11:24).

…[W]e will be raptured according to the law…

We stand in grace not law (Rom. 5:2, 6:14).

…[S]o they can be circumcised by faith?

If they circumcise for religious reason, then they must keep the whole law (Gal. 5:1–4).  

Reply to Lou Rodriguez

Anyone else seeing 1111 and 33s everywhere?

I see dead people. :shocked: Oh, no wait—that’s on Saturday (1 Thess 4:16). :skeptic:

Reply to Sam Loumer

[Your Re 12 testimony]

I was here with you all.  :idunno: On sundown on the Sabbath, think I’ll be playing fetch outside with my dog (don’t care for a ceiling departure :shocked:).  

Reply to Mark Jerde

I took the dog for a walk.

:thumb: Kindred spirits.  

 He will add replied

[Preterism]

Not sure how you can be a preterist after having witnessed the Re 12 sign take place (Re 12:1-2).  :dizzy: Good luck with that (Eph 4:14). :hammer:

TomL View Post

What is the day of the Lord?

:rapture: Saturday (Re 12:5).    

LOL

God gets the last LOL (Pr 1:26). :juggle:

The sign of the Son of Man…is rehearsed in the Revelation 12 sign….When does the sign of the Son of Man fully appear?...

False (2 Pet. 2:1). :dizzy:   The Revelation 12 sign is not the sign of the Son of Man and the sign of the Son of Man is not the Revelation 12 sign.  :dizzy:

Things that are different are not the same.  :hammer:

We, as children of light...

Proof please (Eph 4:14, Mt 7:20). :peach:

…We have to be paying attention…

Which is it?  Eph 4:14.  You said that the Revelation 12 sign (Re 12:1-2) was not a sign for the rapture (v. 5).  :idunno: You have identified yourself with the children of darkness (1 Thess 5:2, 7); whereas the watchmen are children of the light (1 Thess 5:5, Heb 10:25). 

We know he’s coming at a day and hour that we know not.

You do not know because you are a child of the night (1 Thess 5:2,7); :reals:whereas the watchmen know because they are children of the day (1 Thess 5:5, Heb 10:25). :straight: 

Reply to Joèlla Hermans

When is the last trump?

At sundown (Friday evening [GMT+3]). Be here with your fellow Transformers (1 Cor. 15:51–53).  :turbo:

Reply to David Bako

Our response should be of faith in the more sure word of prophecy for the signs are given to confirm our faith in His word.

Darn tootin’!  :BillyBob:

Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

Stand therefore, having girded your waist with truth, having put on the breastplate of righteousness, and having shod your feet with the preparation of the gospel of peace; above all, taking the shield of faith with which you will be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked one. And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God; praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, being watchful to this end with all perseverance and supplication for all the saints (Eph 6:13–18a).

Reply to Levi

[Persecution, disloyalty]

A faithful person who can find? Pr 20:6   

Your God will come with vengeance, with the recompense of God (Is 35:4).

Reply to  ShinySilverBunny

Serpent Dove good verse.  I found 2 Thessalonian 1 : 6 is a precept to that.

Since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with tribulation those who trouble you (2 Th 1:6). 

:thumb:

Reply to Joèlla Hermans

When is the last trump blown?

Reply to Paul Watchman Dawson

No specific time but "in the day" according to the Word.  Lev 25:9:  Then shalt thou cause the trumpet of the jubilee to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month, in the Day of Atonement shall ye make the trumpet sound throughout all your land.

And throughout the day according to the Jews:  "Yom Kippur of the Jubilee Year is the same as Rosh HaShana with regard to both the shofar sounding and the additional blessings recited in the Amida prayer. However, the difference is that on Yom Kippur of the Jubilee Year they sound the shofar both in the court where they sanctified the month and in a court where they did not sanctify the month, and each and every individual is obligated to sound the shofar. Conversely, on Rosh HaShana they sound the shofar only in the court where they sanctified the month, and each and every individual is not obligated to sound it."  
Rosh Hashanah 30a  

Reply to Cathy Ewer

Just a quick question. I have seen posts where some Christians don't agree with the theories and they are being called mockers and scoffers who won't be ready for Jesus return ; and so, they will be left behind.

The way for one not to get left behind is for him to place his trust in Jesus (Ac 16:31). :straight:

We are commanded to be likeminded (1 Pe 3:8).  It’s not about what we say.  It’s about what has God said?  And what has he said?  :Poly:

Then you shall cause the trumpet of the Jubilee to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month; on the Day of Atonement you shall make the trumpet to sound throughout all your land (Le 25:9).  

It has always been believed that the Lord will return for his bride on the Feast of Trumpets.  It could very well be this Feast of Trumpets (which isn’t over).

...I know one scripture about people scoffing saying where is your God etc.; but, that is about unbelievers not believers.

Idolaters, yes (2 Cor. 6:15–18).

…He [Jesus] rebuked them for not watching [Garden Gethsemane] but God didn't leave them behind and they ended up becoming apostles of Christ.

He needed them and they took the opportunity to take a snooze. 

Surely, whether you are a date setter or not, it is about a person's heart and if they have a personal relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ and if they have repented of their sin and serve him as their Lord and master?

Yes.  We’re just told to watch.  If you’re not watching, he comes as a thief (Re 3:3).  We have a relationship with him.  We know he’s coming.  Like Scarbrough says, we’re human.  We get things wrong.  We could be wrong; but, this is what he’s told the watchmen.  That’s why--we’re watching.

The Re 12 sign was/is the fulfillment of a 2000 year old prophecy.  That is no small thing.   I, for one, never expected to still be here to see the Re 12 sign.  That was why I, and others, began to study:  Why am I seeing this sign now?  Wouldn’t that make the mid-tribbers, right?  :squint: The answer is:  no, the mid-tribbers are still wrong (Eph 4:14).  :dizzy: We are seeing the sign now because Re 12 is a parenthetical chapter.  It’s the Domino that causes the rest of the Dominos to fall.   

Satan can annoys us for a little time longer (Re 12:4) :sigh: and then we really, really should be outta here (v 5, 2 Ti 2:15). :smack:  

Reply to Mitch Mac

Nope, saved by the blood, the word of their testimony…

:yawn: Strawman (Eph 4:14).

If indeed he is saved. 

If indeed you have heard of the stewardship of God's grace which was given to me for you (Eph 3:2).

If indeed you have tasted that the Lord is good (1 Pe 2:3).

If indeed you continue in the faith firmly established and steadfast, and not moved away from the hope of the gospel that you have heard, which was proclaimed (Col 1:23),

If indeed you have heard Him and have been taught in Him, just as truth is in Jesus (Eph 4:21).  

TomL replied

Your formatting gives a misleading understanding here.  Those are not my words…

I’m not here to teach you English 101 (Eph 4:14).  

TomL View Post

And if you err a second time?

Too bad you don't understand the Re 12 sign. :idunno:

Too bad (2 Pe 2:1). :chz4brnz: 

Reply to Martin Schulz

…We do have patterns in Scripture of how things went and it is reasonable to believe those patterns will continue in our time. We do not set dates. God does. We did not create or place the calendar and clocking mechanism in the heavens. God did. It is not of our interpretation as to how to use them or their meaning. God tells us in Scripture how to use them and what they mean. There are signs and for "appointed times".  We are expected--even commanded to be watching, Watching what? The signs.

That some choose to dismiss these is a matter of personal interest and choice. That others take God at His word and choose to dig into the matter at great length and depth is also a personal choice and matter…

…Let someone say [that the rapture is] today and people’s heads explode. Ten virgins were all dressed up and were out there living their lives, in this case ready to go to a wedding feast. Of the ten only five were really living their life prepared. By whatever analogy you like, extra oil, knowledge of Scripture or whatever, five of the all dressed up and thinking they were ready at any time were in fact, not ready. And they did not go in to the feast.

It is better to be watching and to say, hey, this is a high probability date based on Scripture than to be glibly dismissive when the shouts are going out that the groom is coming.

Yes. 

And they went into the ark to Noah, two by two, of all flesh in which is the breath of life. So those that entered, male and female of all flesh, went in as God had commanded him; and the Lord shut him in (Ge 7:15–16).  

Come, my people, enter your chambers, And shut your doors behind you; Hide yourself, as it were, for a little moment, Until the indignation is past. (Is 26:20).

And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding; and the door was shut (Mt 25:10).

After these things I looked, and behold, a door standing open in heaven. And the first voice which I heard was like a trumpet speaking with me, saying, “Come up here, and I will show you things which must take place after this.” (Re 4:1).  

Reply to John Dafunkstar Christman

Regarding the date of Yom Kippur. The rabbinical calendar placed the start of FOT at sunset of 9/20. However, the rabbinical calendar uses calculations to determine dates. The actual observed new moon was not until a day later. I personally believe that our Elohim is more apt to follow the real and true observed calendar that placed FOT at sunset of 9/21 and therefore places YK beginning at sunset 9/30.

Did we mess this up again?  :smack: We’re going to be so made fun of when we get to heaven. :dunce: The real Magi are going to be shaking their heads. :nono: They’ll have to understand that we are the last generation and therefore; have been affected most by the Second Law of Thermodynamics—entropy. :freak: We can’t even find Virgo without the use of a Stellarium app. :doh:

Reply to Mitch Mac

…[A]ny excuse other than Jesus sacrifice, is flesh believing…

:yawn: Strawman (Eph 4:14).

Men are saved by grace through faith (Eph 2:8-10).  :Poly: We’ll know if they are saved by their fruits (Mt 7:20).  :sherlock:

…Jesus makes us worthy, nothing else nothing more.

Men are positionally righteous (Phil. 3:9) when they humble themselves before God and repent—:listen: not before (Acts 2:37, 38).

See: 

Lordship

Reply to John Dafunkstar Christman

[To another member] …[T]hat feast only allows for adjustment according to the spotting of the new moon….Only that feast...  The rabbinical calendar placed FOT one day sooner than the new moon was actually observed.

[Did we get it wrong?] I don't think so really. There are a few keys that would seem to peg it to this weekend. 40 days from the eclipse being the big one imho. But if we are not on the same calendar, then so be it.

Right; so, you’ve got seven days for the woman to be unclean and eight days for the circumcision of the baby.  Which is the right day?  We need to figure this out—and within 5 hours!  Landing Apollo XIII was easier than this! Reply to Hank Carter

Reply to Hank Carter  

…Beam me up Scottie… 

Hmm?  There’s still the matter of that real moon sighting.  :think:

Clues  ~ Star Trek, Next Generation

[Real Yom Kippur] We'll know at 0632 (sunrise Jerusalem [GMT+3]). 

Reply to Hank Carter  

I remember either in Scottie Clarke video or someone else, it was mentioned that Mathew is from a Jewish perspective and Luke was from gentile perspective and that the parable of the ten virgins pertained to the tribulation period.  But I think I'm confusing myself trying to make heads and tails out of this.  Would love other ideas on this.  

Here’s what J. Vernon McGee had to say:

  Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom [Matt. 25:1].

“To better understand the customs in Israel during the New Testament period, we refer to the Peshitta, which is a Syriac version of the Bible. Although it is not a text to be recommended, it does shed light on some of the customs of the day. The Peshitta translation of the verse before us indicates that the virgins went forth to meet the bridegroom and the bride, which means that the bridegroom is coming from the marriage to the marriage supper. It is my understanding that, although the marriage of Christ and the church takes place in heaven, the marriage supper takes place on this earth. A passage in the Gospel of Luke substantiates this. As our Lord is giving warnings and parables, He says, “Let your loins be girded about, and your lights burning; And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately” (Luke 12:35–36). You see, the wedding has taken place, and the bride is with him. Obviously, if he is coming from the wedding, the bride is with him; no man ever went on a honeymoon by himself—if he did, it wasn’t a honeymoon!

So here in the parable of the ten virgins, Christ, pictured as the bridegroom, is bringing the bride with Him, and the believers on earth are waiting for Him to come. While the Great Tribulation has been going on upon the earth, Christ has been yonder in heaven with His bride, the church. Then at the conclusion of the seven years of Tribulation, He comes back to earth with the church…” McGee, J. V. (1991). Thru the Bible commentary: The Gospels (Matthew 14-28) (electronic ed., Vol. 35, pp. 151–152). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

We're waiting on this guy to repent (Eph 1:4).

"Sorry y’all.  It was an accident.” ~ Jay, Men in Black    

Reply to Rohit Mehta

We are looking at Yom Kippur and Feast of Tabernacles.  Till the end October, sir. 

Reply to Stephen Jarrard

Back in March, as I was reading the Abib reports, one report from an Israeli group stated that only some of the fields were Abib and that they were not mature enough to qualify, 2 to 3 weeks later as mature for the wave offering on " first fruits”.  I then skipped that month to the following new moon to be on God’s calendar. Obviously no one else did because Hillel 2 calendar had already been set and printed. After 5 months of sounding the alarm, I jumped ship and sided with the group. After the 21st. came and went, I realized that I had been right all along.  Long story short. God’s clock is still in play. Maranatha.

Reply to Rohit Mehta  

So according to your interpretation, rapture is on?

Reply to Stephen Jarrard

The next new moon, Oct 20. 

Reset of the Date of the Rapture Jarrard

So, you still believe that the rapture will occur on the FOT; but you believe that the FOT is one month off. 

The Jews are very persnickety about all of this.  How could it be that one family of barley growers would complain:  Hey, I’m up north and though your barley down south is awesome to go, mine isn’t ready to be harvested? 

And if they didn’t override the guy, then wouldn’t he just have to suck it up and go with the larger group decision?

In other words, why would God side with the one barley grower over the rest?  Even though he may be right in the larger community, everyone is going ahead to celebrate on a certain day. 

Of course tradition takes a back seat to God’s word.  :Poly:  Just sayin’. :squint: 

You answered your own argument in the last sentence. Have you actually watched the video ( I know it's a bit long, but).

Yes, watched it all.  Thank you for posting it. :thumb:

Right, but what can God do?  The Jew are already celebrating on one day.  Paul didn’t say ‘At the last trump (1 Co 15:52)’ and ‘Oh by the way, all ya’ll are going to mess up that last trump and everyone will be confused.’

He also said, ‘As you see the day approaching (Heb 10:25).’  He didn’t say, ‘As you see the day pass by in your rear view mirror because as usual you missed it and can never do anything right the first time.’

This is barley.  How hard is it to pick barley?  You grow it.  You pick it.  This isn’t rocket science. :squint:

God doesn't give exact instructions, and then when men get it wrong, He says "Oh, what the heck.  I'll change to accommodate their lack of understanding."

But he also doesn’t show up on an unexpected day.  If he does, then we were children of the night (1 Thess 5:4).

He is not a God of disorder (1 Co 14:33). 

What people are seeing in their rear view mirror is a mirage.

:smack: 

Alas, we will know as soon as planet x is posted on NBC, CBS and CNN.

This Planet X or Black Star or whatever it is, would be something for later in the time line.  It sounds more like an event to show up around the sixth seal when we’ve been long gone.  This planet will be a-ok until God says it’s not going to be a-ok (Ge 8:22, 2 Pe 3:12).

Reply to Toney Pt. 1,  Pt. 2 

[Jarrard's month delay due to abib claim]

We Christians :freak: have got the longest leaving act in town (2 Ti  2:15). 

Reply to Holly Kay Brock‎ 

Wow, did you guys hear that by God's calendar...[the] Feasts of Trumpets has been postponed due to the barley harvest…?  

September was a dress rehearsal.  We’ll get it right the next time.  :straight: Kudos to Stephen Jarrard for investigating all of this (2 Ti 2:15).  :thumb:

"This year, in the first week of 'March', there were at least 3 teams or families that were in Israel to inspect the condition of the barley. 2 of the 3 were able to find harvestable barley, and in a sufficient enough quantity to qualify for a "wave sheaf" offering if it were needing to be done immediately. Contrary to what you may have heard, they did not "cherry pick" through the fields to find a stalk here and there. This is misinformation..." Full text:   Aviv was found:  Why the new year started in "March" 

Reply to Nathan BG

[Jay, Men in Black] What exactly does this mean?

Not Calvinism—I can promise you that.  God is calling out a people for his namesake.  That’s all.  If you’d like to be whosoever, be whosoever. 

See:

Predestination and Will:  How are predestination and election connected with foreknowledge?     

Does God Elect Everyone?

Also, I recently learned that aliens are actually fallen angels.

There are no aliens.  There are demons who pretend to be aliens, deceased loved ones, etc. 2 Co 2:11, 11:14 

Happy Jubilee Levi

Reply to Kasper Petersen  

Good grief.

I’m gonna have a pet T-Rex. :jump:

Reply to Terral

God’s doin’ his work in Genesis 1:1.

:dizzy:  False (2 Pet. 2:1).

God, the Father, God, the Son and God the Spirit were all involved in creation (God, the Father [Heb. 11:3], God, the Son [Col. 1:16, 17] and God, the Holy Spirit [Ps. 104:30]).

He rests in Genesis 2:1-3 and then the Lord God picks up...With a creation that’s already been made…

:hammer: False (2 Pet. 2:1).

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God.

All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it (Jn 1:1–5).  

The singularity that was the word, became the Father and the Holy Spirit….The word became the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

:dizzy:  False (2 Pet. 2:1).  The Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit have always existed.  There was never a time when the three persons of the trinity did not exist (Jn 1:1-3, Col. 1:15–19).

God created the heavens.  This (Ge 1:1) is a singular.

:hammer: False (2 Pet. 2:1).  The heavens were:  created by God (Gen. 1:1), stretched out by him (Is. 42:5; Jer. 10:12), will be destroyed by him (Heb. 1:10–12; 2 Pet. 3:10), new heavens will be created by him (Is. 65:17; 2 Pet. 3:13).  

The original earth was broken.

:dizzy:  False (2 Pet. 2:1).  The earth was created by God (Gen. 1:1) and it was made perfect (Ge 1:31).  Sin destroyed that (Gen. 7:6–24).  It will be renewed by God (Is. 65:17).

To recreate what happened in the infinite realm.

:hammer: False (2 Pet. 2:1). 

See:

What is panentheism?

When Satan murdered Adam.

:dizzy:  False (2 Pet. 2:1).  Adam lived for 930 years.

See:

Did Adam Really Live 930 Years?  

Heaven was begotten…

:hammer: False (2 Pet. 2:1).  Heaven was created by God (Ge 1:1).

See:

Ge 1:1 Morris

They’re thinking that this means something [having to] do with incarnating on the earth.  It has nothing to do with it.

:dizzy:  False (2 Pet. 2:1).  Importance of the incarnation:  evidence Christ’s deity (Rom. 9:3–5), confirm Christ’s resurrection (Acts 2:24–32), mark of believers (1 John 4:1–6). Thomas Nelson Publishers. (1996). Nelson’s quick reference topical Bible index (p. 309). Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers.

The infinite realm where we are gods.

:hammer: False (2 Pet. 2:1).  God is the creator (Is. 40:28).  We are his creation.  You will never be a god (Eccl. 12:1, Rom. 1:25).

The reason you see ‘us’ in Genesis 1…is because God who is is speaking for all three of these.

:dizzy:  False (2 Pet. 2:1).   The reader is witness to a conversation within the Godhead.  

It has nothing to do with the angels or anything.

:yawn: Strawman (Eph 4:14).

The earth is a man—Son of Man.

:hammer: False (2 Pet. 2:1).  The earth is the creation, God’s footstool (Is. 66:1).

The same way that you are a Son of Man.

:dizzy:  False (2 Pet. 2:1).  Man is made in God’s image and likeness (Gen. 9:6).

When scripture makes reference to Christ being the Son of Man that way, it’s because he’s the blood witness, the son.  The end result is—for all of these blood witnesses; they all [points curser to man and Jesus as if they are equal] enlarge until the son becomes the Word again.

:hammer: False (2 Pet. 2:1).  Logos meant in Greek society—the be all, end all.  The apostle John used that word to explain that he, Jesus, is your end all, be all.  He is the Alpha and Omega (Rev. 9:11), the uncreated creator (Jn 1:1-3).   

The Father is going to disappear completely.

:dizzy:  False (2 Pet. 2:1).  The Father is eternal (Ps. 90:2).

The Holy Spirit is going to disappear completely.

:hammer: False (2 Pet. 2:1).  The Holy Spirit is eternal (Heb. 9:14).

Your soul was a temporary thing.

:dizzy:  False (2 Pet. 2:1).  Man’s soul is immortal (Matt. 10:28).  He will live forever—somewhere—with a body fit for heaven or a body fit for hell.

Adam didn’t have a spirit and he didn’t have a body.

:hammer: Adam was a living soul (1 Cor. 15:45) who was formed from the dust by God (Gen. 2:7).  God gave him life (Gen. 2:7).

People think the trinity are the:  Father, Son and Holy Spirit—not true.

:dizzy:  False (2 Pet. 2:1).  God is triune (Num. 6:24–27, Is. 6:3),  

Reply to Rodney Rice Jr

Serpent I agree watching is good but there are folks that have spent a lot of time with the sign. Some that would have nearly bet their life on the 23rd. God is not going let us get too big for our britches.

Sure, that’s why he’s used everyone in the body (Heb 10:25).  It took a grand Christian mind-meld to figure this all out.    

TomL View Post

...[H]e [God] rejected Saturday the 23rd of Sept 2017

Someone wasn't watching the sky or astronomy app that day (2 Pe 2:1, Re 12:1-2). :hammer:

20 oTribulationSigns View Post

Still in business of making false predictions?

:yawn: The watchmen have said nothing false (2 Pe 2:1, Eph 4:14). :juggle:

davidbrainerd View Post

...[P]rediction failed...

:yawn:  Prediction unfolding right on time (2 Pe 2:1, Eph 4:14). :dizzy:

Redmond View Post

...[Y]ou were convinced that it [Re 12:1-2] was correct...

:yawn: It was (2 Pe 2:1, Eph 4:14). :hammer: 

davidbrainerd replied

I haven't seen nobody disappear.

Move over Sophocles (2 Pe 2:1, Eph 4:14).

TribulationSigns replied

True watchmen don’t do date-setting…

:yawn: Not until the barley is brown and the new moon is sighted; they don't (2 Pe 2:1, Eph 4:14).   

Reply to Off by a month - Rapture in October

If we’re going to tell these people ‘no man knows the day or the hour’--that that’s an idiom for the Feast of Trumpets, we need to stick to that.

We have stuck to the Feast of Trumpets.  We learned; however, that in a Jubilee year the final trump is blown on the Day of Atonement.   

As you’ve correctly stated--no one knows for sure when the Jubilee years is.  We’ll know we’re in a Jubilee year when we find ourselves flying through the sky--freedom for Christians and saved Jews.    

Take into consideration dreams and visions.    What did?  Rabbi Judah ben Samuel prophesy?

2017, for a vavariety of reasons, looks like a good year for the rapture of the church.

…Some rouge report.

Stephen Jarrard explained that you don’t just begin printing off calendars when the barley is not abib in Israel up north. 

Here’s how we’ll know if the rouge report was important to God—if we find ourselves flying through the air on the FOT/FOA.  Then, we will know with certainty that the report was important to God and we were, in fact, a month off.

Rhonda Empson, another favorite dream machine in our time, recalled a dream in which October was switched with September.   

We’ve got about 18 days to get it right this time. :freak:

Reply to Valles

We’ve been studying the sign of the Son of Man…

False (2 Pe 2:1).  The Revelation 12 sign is not the Sign of the Son of Man and the sign of the Son of Man is not the Revelation 12 sign.  Things that are different are not the same.

[Is 7:14]

That is the sign regarding Jesus’ birth.

…The identity of who was brought forth.  That’s Shiloh.

False (2 Pe 2:1).  Jesus was born 2000 years ago.  Revelation 12 is a parenthetical chapter.  The Revelation 12 sign kicks off the rest of the events to occur in the Book of Revelation.  It all begins with the rapture of the church—the first Domino to fall. Two births—Jesus, the head, 2000 years ago (Eph. 1:22) and the church, his body (Is 66:8, Col. 1:24), on or around the Feast of Trumpets, 21 Oct 17 (delayed due to barley harvest). 

…[Jesus] the only one born with the right to rule…

False (2 Pe 2:1).  The church has been the Lord’s authority on earth for 2000 years (Prov. 29:2, Acts 26:10, 12, 2 Cor. 10:8, Eph. 1:23, Tt. 2:15).  She will rule and reign with him (1 Pe 2:9, Re 1:6, 12:5).

We see Jupiter getting ready to depart off the scene which also fulfills the Revelation 12:5 passage…

False (2 Pe 2:1).  The child (the church, represented by Jupiter in the Revelation 12 sign) will be ‘caught up’ (harpazo or raptured [Re 12:5]). 

We’re at a high time to be expecting Shiloh to show up.

False (2 Pe 2:1).  The rapture is the next event to occur on God’s prophetic calendar, likely on or around the Feast of Trumpets 21 Oct 17 (delayed due to barley harvest).  The Second Coming will not occur until 3 1/2 years later at the mid-point of the tribulation when Jesus steps foot on the mount of Olives (Zech 14:4).

Reply to D.J. Konrad  

…Yet there are numerous different theories on what the last trump even is…

One theory matters:  For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God (1 Th 4:16).  

He are listening for his voice not a trump of man.  

See:

Feast of Trumpets

Reply to Tamara Gallaway  

Anyone heard of divination?

Divination—attempt to foretell the unknown by occult means.  An abomination (Deut. 18:11, 12), punishable by death (Lev. 20:6, 27). Thomas Nelson Publishers. (1996). Nelson’s quick reference topical Bible index (p. 182). Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers.

Reply to Catrina Glassmyer  

[Divination] The revelation 12 sign did happen, Jesus says look up to the heaven and see the signs and wonders…

A great wonder (Re 12:1).  You’d think that people would want to know why it’s there and what it might mean. :juggle:

…[T]hat's not witchcraft…

I didn’t wiggle my nose to put it up in the sky.  :idunno: I paid attention (Re 3:3)   and began to study (2 Ti 2:15). :Poly: 

...[I]t's witchcraft is when these fake imposters with their crystal balls, and using horoscopes in the papers and tarot cards and Ouija boards is witchcraft!

If one thinks we use divination, ask for our death (Lev. 20:6, 27).  :Letsargu: I’ve been reported to my church for bringing it up (Mt 10:17, Lk 2:34, 2 Co 4:7–18).    :sozo2:

If they weren’t mocking us, the prophecy wouldn’t be true.  They are playing their part of the Pharisee :sozo2: and we are playing ours of the Magi (2 Pe 3:4).

If you were called to be a watchman, then watch (Eze 33:6).  You don’t answer to men (Ro 14:4, Ps 105:15).  You answer to God (1 Pe 4:5).   

Reply to Winfrey

Some of you guys have wasted hours and hours on nonsense speculation…

I think the watchmen will be proven true (Ro 3:4).

The new dates people gave are going to come to pass…

If you weren’t rebuking them, then the prophecy wouldn’t be true (2 Pe 3:4).  I’ll take your crown.  I can use another one (Re 3:11).

No man knows the day or the hour.

Did you put a whole 4 minutes of study into this thought? :dizzy: 2 Ti 2:15

Don’t let anyone tell you different.  If they do, it’s a false teaching.

Read at least the first verse of the Book of Revelation (Dan 9:24, Re 22:10).  :hammer:

You’re gonna get disappointed again and again and again.

When the last trump is blown on the real Feast of Trumpets, you’ll be proven wrong (Ro 3:4). :juggle:

They are going to keep on until the Feast of Tabernacles is over.

That’s what watchmen do.  They keep watching (1 Co 12:21).  :Plain: Guess they’ll have to do your job as well as their own (Ro 1:16). :dizzy:

And then they’ll have to face the reality that we’re still here.

Your point? Image Phil 4:11, 2 Co 5:9  

Reply to Philip Fish

Acts 1:7

Keep reading to the Book of Revelation (at least to the first verse). :Poly:  

  And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power [Acts 1:7].

He let them know, at this particular time, that the Kingdom would not be established. Rather, He would call out a people to His name, the church. In chapter 15 of Acts, when the apostles met for the first council in Jerusalem, James pointed out this fact: “Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name. And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written, After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up: That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things. Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world” (Acts 15:14–18). This is what God is doing today. He is visiting the Gentiles to take out of them a people to His name. That is, God is calling out of the world those people who will trust Christ, and the Holy Spirit baptizes them into the body of believers, the church.

So when the apostles asked Jesus whether He would restore the Kingdom “at this time,” His answer was that this was not the subject for discussion at that time...

...I do believe in prophecy. However, I think one can overemphasize it. To be built up in the faith you need more than a prophetic study.

Then what is our business today? Notice again that the Lord did not rebuke them. Instead, He showed that He had something else in mind. There is something else for us to do.

  But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth [Acts 1:8].

This is the commission that still holds for today. This is not given only to a corporate body, to the church as a body; it is not a corporate commission. This is a very personal command to each believer—personally, privately. This was given to these men even before the Holy Spirit had come and formed the church. It is a direct command for you and for me today.

McGee, J. V. (1991). Thru the Bible commentary: Church History (Acts 1-14) (electronic ed., Vol. 40, pp. 17–18). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

Reply to Philip Fish

The rapture and Day of the Lord…come as a thief.

To children of darkness (1 Thess 5:2) not to us (v. 4).  We love him (1 Jn 4:19) and are led by the spirit of God (Ro 8:14).  His coming for us is a good thing (Tt 2:13).  They have responded negatively to this great sign(Lk 2:34).        

If a man does not repent, God will whet his sword; he has bent and readied his bow (Ps 7:12). 

Reply to Watchman for that Great Day

[Looking at Sukkot (Feast of Tabernacles)]

No.

21 Oct 17, the Real FOT (on day of new moon, 1 month delay due to barley harvest).

Begins “Ten Days of Repentance” or the “Days of Awe”.

31 Oct the Real FOA 'final trump'' (on FOA due to Jubilee). 

Reply to ziggy33200   

I'm hoping Christians don't lose their faith when the tribulation happens before any rapture. 

Too bad you don't know your bible (1 Thess 5:9). :hammer:

Too bad (Eph 4:14). :chz4brnz: 

…[D]o you not think the Lord can protect the faithful through the tribulation?

We aren’t going through the tribulation.  :dizzy: Good eschatology provides comfort (1 Thess 4:18).  :Poly: Your bad eschatology does not (Eph 4:14). :hammer:

Guess you’ll have to skip over 1 Thess 4:18 when you teach (2 Pe 2:1). :dizzy:

ziggy33200 replied

…[T]hose who believe we are going through the tribulation are quite comfortable in knowing that we will be protected when calamity ensues.

You’re not a Jew. You won’t be protected at all. :hammer:

Tribulation saints will be martyred.  They did not make it in the rapture; and therefore, must endure through the Great Tribulation if they hope to live with the Lord forever.I know I am.

Then you have no comprehension of what the Great Tribulation is. :dizzy:

It is also comforting to experience trial and endure by faith.

You must come from a work-based religion (2 Pe 2:1, Jud 11).  :olinger: You will have no comfort through the Great Tribulation.  As Elvis left the building, so too; will the Holy Spirit.  An all new dispensation begins when we are gone, likely on or around 21 Oct 17, Feast of Trumpets. :rapture:

Even giving my life, if needed, for the name of Jesus is a comfort.

Then you’re ready to go :thumb: because that is what will be required of you.  You’re one of those who has to learn the hard way—someone must make up the tribulation saints.  :idunno:  

I cannot think of a greater joy.

I cannot think of greater stupidity (2 Pe 2:1). :freak:

If a tribulation concerns you then you should check your faith…

Everyone should check his faith (2 Co 13:5) :idunno: —especially if he's a heretic (e.g. mid-trib, post-trib [2 Pe 2:1]).  

Picking the view that is most comfortable…

:yawn: Comfort is irrelevant (Eph 4:14).  What God has said is all relevant (Ac 20:20).

…[D]emonstrates that weakness in faith.

:yawn: Eph 4:14

You want to stay—stay (2 Pe 2:1).  :idunno:  See how that works out for ya (2 Thess 2:10).

Your comfort should come from faith…

:yawn: My comfort comes from 1 Thess 4:18.  Your comfort will come from the works you think you must do (2 Pe 2:1, Jud 11).  :olinger:

Reply to Terral

The idea is going to be in the right place at the right time.

Except that nowhere in scripture are we told to prepare with:  guns, groceries and gold (2 Pe 2:1). :dizzy:

…That’s what this project is about…

If that were true, then you would advise about the rapture, likely on or around 21 Oct 17, Feast of Trumpets (2 Pe 2:1). :hammer:

You guys can write me with questions and I can write clarifying statements just as Christ did.

Except that you say opposite of what Jesus said (Matt. 24:4-5, 24).  If your subscribers believe you, then they will be unprepared.

But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as others do, but let us watch and be sober. For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk are drunk at night. But let us who are of the day be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love, and as a helmet the hope of salvation (1 Th 5:1–8).   

Reply to Valles

The more that we study the story…

The story indicates that the church will be raptured, likely on or around 21 Oct 17, Feast of Trumpets  (harpazo, Re 12:5).

The scepter, Jupiter.

False (2 Pe 2:1).  Jupiter in the Revelation 12 picture represents the church (harpazo, v. 5).

[The child/church born Re 12] …[Has] no name identity.

False (2 Pe 2:1).

The child is clearly identified in scripture.

Recommended vid:

The Great Sign of Revelation 12 | 2017 Rapture Extra  Horvath 

keras replied

What is a person who wants to escape or be raptured from trials and testing?  If you escape the discipline, in which all the children of God must share; then you must be illegitimate and not a true child of God. Hebrews 12:8

But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons (Heb 12:8).  

“12:7, 8 sons. Because all are imperfect and need discipline and training, all true children of God are chastened at one time or another, in one way or another.

12:8 illegitimate. The word is found only here in the NT, but is used elsewhere in Gr. literature of those born to slaves or concubines. There could be in this an implied reference to Hagar and Ishmael (Gen. 16), Abraham’s concubine and illegitimate son.” MacArthur, J., Jr. (Ed.). (1997). The MacArthur Study Bible (electronic ed., p. 1920). Nashville, TN: Word Pub.

You want to stay.  :idunno:I want to go in the rapture. :rapture:

“I prefer clarity to agreement.” ~ Dennis Prager

Pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass (Lk 21:36b).   

I want to stay on earth…

Too bad you don’t love his appearing (2 Ti 4:8, 1 Jn 2:15). :idunno: Too bad. :chz4brnz: 

Reply to Truth7t7  

Will the Antichrist rule/dominate the future great tribulation?

For 3 ½ years, he will. The rapture is the next event to occur, likely on or around 21 Oct 17, Feast of Trumpets. After 3 ½ years of the Antichrist's heyday on earth, the Lord begins to reign (Re 19:6). 

When Jesus Christ returns, it’s fiery judgment [to] the end!

Jesus comes, first for his bride, the church in the air (1 Thess 4:17) and then again 3 ½ years later to the earth (Zech 14:4). 

Those who take the mark of the beast will do alright for 3 ½ years (Re 14:9-10).  Then, they get theirs (Re 16:2). 

Reply to Valles

The only way one can be prepared for the rapture is to believe (2 Pe 2:1).  That is the only work one can do (Jn 6:29).

Men are saved by grace alone (Eph 2:8-9), through faith alone (Eph 1:13; 2Ti 1:10), in Christ alone (Isa 45:21,22; 59:16; Ac 4:12). 

See:

The Wolves of YouTube  Scarbrough

Christian Gnosticism  

Reply to Hamrick

No, God isn’t waiting to rapture the church for you to go out and defile yourself and another (Rom. 7:2, 3). :dizzy:

Reply to Bear049

Don’t pay attention to the Re 12 sign but do pay attention to you and your dreams?  :squint: The Re 12 sign is called a great wonder (Re 12:1).  God should increase.  You should decrease (Jn 3:30).

Revelation 12 is a parenthetical chapter.  Study less about alien abductions and study more about eschatology (2 Pe 2:1). :Poly: 

Reply to Terral

This is God’s stuff…

False (2 Pe 2:1).  :dizzy: This is pantheism and panentheism.

Having haters is a measure of success.

:yawn: We hate false teachers (2 Pe 2:1).  They lead people to hell (Heb. 13:9). :juggle:

See:

Cult Toasters  

They put it all together as if it’s one gospel, one church, one everything.

There is one way, one truth and one life—in the person of Jesus Christ (Jn 14:6).  The church is:  one body (1 Cor. 12:18–24), under divine orders (1 Cor. 9:16), entrusted with his gospel (1 Thess. 3:2), set apart for its defense (Phil. 1:7, 16, 27).

Yours (2 Pe 2:1) is false gospel (Gal. 1:6-12).

The truth is there for people who can see it.

False (2 Pe 2:1). :hammer:

The truth is available to everyone (Ac 17:27).  Men have an internal testimony (Ro 2:15), an external testimony (Ps 19:1) and the scriptures (Jas 1:18). Therefore; they are without excuse (Ro 1:20).  They are not in need of your special knowledge. :freak: They are sinners in need of a Savior (Jn 3:16).

See:

What is Gnosticism?  

GISMYS View Post

Who would try to hinder God's Word from being posted here?  Who would be so foolish? Who would dare early judgment?  Who would allow Satan to use them as his tool, fool, puppet?

Who do you think? :idunno: 2 Cor. 13:3–5

Proverbs 16:18 18 Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.  Why ask for early judgment?

That’s rare (1 Co 11:30, 1 Jn 5:16).  Most don’t receive justice until death (Ps. 73:1–28, Heb 10:31).   :juggle: 

 

Paul Begley on his program discussed a recent survey of Christians on KLOVE radio.  When participants in the survey were asked what they would change, 90% said—the sermon.  Nice, but not relevant for today.

Would you agree?

People see, feel, know that we are living in the last days; but, so many churches are little more than social clubs teaching, "Yyou are ok and I am ok so let’s all just be happy and no worries about sin, judgment day and eternal hell!!

 “Ouch.” ~ E.T. 

I took my own poll in the lobby.  Here were people’s concerns:

- People don’t give their testimony (e.g. How do we even know that they are Christians?)

- Spiritual warfare—taboo, don’t talk about it

- Small groups not edifying or holding one another accountable

Reply to J*****n

Small group: called in to meet with Harvest Bible church elders

Flashback:

SD called into meet with four different priests on four different occasions (Mt 10:17).

We are saved by grace alone (Eph 2:8-9), through faith alone (Eph 1:13; 2Ti 1:10), in Christ alone (Isa 45:21,22; 59:16; Ac 4:12). :Poly: Roman Catholics :olinger: deny this (Jude 1:11).             

See:

Roman Catholicism   

TomL View Post

Is that your latest prediction for the rapture?

My prediction (your word) remains the same.  The Lord will return for his bride at ‘the last trump’ (on the Feast of Trumpets [1 Co 15:52]).  It’s possible that that has not occurred in this year 5777 yet (delay due to barley harvest).  If this is a Jubilee year--and there’s a good chance that it is—then, the ‘the last trump’ will occur on The Feast of Atonement (last trump is on Atonement in a Jubilee year).

The Lord will likely come on the Feast of Trumpets—in this year or another year.  If the fig tree prophecy refers to Israel’s birth as a nation—and there’s a good chance that it does—then, our ‘generation’ (70 to 80 years [Ps 90:10]) is running down to the wire (the seven years of tribulation are included in that time frame) [Mt 24:32-34].So, whether this year or another year (to my mind Feast of Trumpets), it would seem we’re close.

Jake1254 View Post

This is what Christianity has become in our day. Defeated Christians who don't even know the authority they have...

I’m from Arizona; so, :idunno:I trample :Clete: on snakes and scorpions (Lk 10:19). 

PRS View Post

The rapture will be October 20th or 21st. Are you ready?

If this is a Jubilee year, then our elusive ‘last trump’ is not until Atonement. 

Truth7t7 replied

Will you sell me your earthly riches for 10 cents on the dollar?  I’ll sell them back to you on Oct 21st 2017 for 20 cents on the dollar?

:yawn: Why would we do that? Mt 6:24, Lk 19:13

Bob Carabbio View Post

Eschatology is just another term for rank speculation...

If you don't know your bible, sure (2 Ti 3:7). :idunno:

harry View Post

Nobody is going anywhere, unless you die!

We'll believe the apostle Paul (Tt 2:13) or we'll believe you. :idunno: I'm goin' with Paul. :juggle:

See:

What Does It Mean to Be A Watchman? Horvath

Bob Carabbio View Post

[Knowing your bible] Or even if you think you do.

You know your scriptures or you don’t (Mt 22:29).  :juggle:  The spirit testifies to one that he is his (Rom. 8:16; Heb. 10:15) and he leads him into all truth (John 16:13).

Partial confirmation of late barley harvest 2017 Jarrard

Bob Carabbio View Post

[Knowing your bible] Or, even if you think you do.

Yes, men with the spirit (Heb. 6:4) can know their God (Phil 3:10) and their scriptures (John 16:13-16).

But not necessarily truths that are unimportant, or irrelevant.  

The gospel is the bible from cover to cover (Ac 15:15).  It’s all important (Rev. 22:18, 19). :dizzy:

So then you claim to know more than Paul…

:yawn: Strawman (Eph 4:14).  

Reply to Tisha Hoff

I don’t know about y’ll; but, I have a new developed sense of urgency and utter heartbreak for my loved ones and for other lost souls that are going to be left behind…[T]he Holy Spirit is engulfing me again, and lighting the fire in me and this time it's even a different sense of urgency it just feels different, like any minute he will be here!  He's at the door about to turn the knob…

I don’t know that additional time would encourage many to repent (Ge 6:3).  

Reply to Matthew Sherman

Today is 10/20/2017 and Jupiter is almost completely out of the constellation Virgo.

Cewl

Turn this Mutha Out  ~ MC Hammer   

Reply to Scarbrough

[Rejects Lordship]

For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sin (Heb 10:26).

"You cannot have a 'come in Savior' and a 'stay out Lord' (Ro 14:9)." ~ Adrian Rogers

Reply to Scarbrough

’Because they did this they’re not saved. ‘ You don’t know the heart.  So just have grace.

You assume the reprobate is saved.  We do not.  

“I prefer clarity to agreement.” ~ Dennis Prager  

We will know them by their fruits (Mt 7:20). :sherlock: If it looks like a reprobate, swims like a reprobate, and quacks like a reprobate, then it’s probably is a reprobate. :Plain:

’That means they’re not saved…Because they did this they’re not saved.’

They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us (1 Jn 2:19).

See: 

Lordship  

Reply to Kimmers IMJ

We are not fruit inspectors.  Barry you rock!

“We are fruit inspectors.” :sherlock: Mt 7:20 ~ J. Vernon McGee

“We are not fruit inspectors.” ~ Barry Scarbrough

"There's a sucker born every minute." ~ P. T. Barnum  

Reply to Jaco Prinsloo

I have been looking at patterns associated with Jesus's birth and how these may apply to the Manchild that is described to us in Revelation 12. I think this is quite exciting as it also gives us insight into the timing associated with Jesus being presented to the Lord in Jerusalem and fleeing into Egypt to escape Herod - the Red Dragon - who wanted to devour the child.

There are several possible starting points from where we could consider these events as applied to the Revelation 12 sign, but first, we need to look at some of the details provided to us in the accounts of Matthew and Luke.

Luke tells us that Joseph and Mary went from Nazareth in Galilee, where they lived, to Bethlehem to be taxed.

Luk 2:4-7 And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judaea, unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem; (because he was of the house and lineage of David:) To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with child. And so it was, that, while they were there, the days were accomplished that she should be delivered. And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn.

Jesus was born in Bethlehem and we know that the shepherds must have seen him close to the time of birth as the angel told them to look for a baby in a manger in Bethlehem:

Luk 2:8-12 And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night. And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid. And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger.

So the shepherds most likely saw Jesus the evening in which He was born or very shortly thereafter.

Similarly, the wise men from the East went to Bethlehem to see the child, while Joseph and Mary was still in the city:

Mat 2:1-8 Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem, Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him. When Herod the king had heard these things, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him. And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born. And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet, And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Judah, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel. Then Herod, when he had privily called the wise men, enquired of them diligently what time the star appeared. And he sent them to Bethlehem, and said, Go and search diligently for the young child; and when ye have found him, bring me word again, that I may come and worship him also.

We need to find out how long Joseph and Mary stayed in Bethlehem and when did they leave and what happened after they left as this can provide more insight into Herod's actions as a model of the Red Dragon. We also know that Joseph, Mary and Jesus fled to Egypt at some point, being warned of Herod's intentions by an angel. But when exactly did this happen and how can this timing shed some light for us on the events described to us in Revelation 12? We see the following events described:

Luk 2:21-22 And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called Jesus, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb. And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord;

The days of purification mentioned in this passage is described and explained to us in Leviticus 12:

Lev 12:2-4 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a woman have conceived seed, and born a man child: then she shall be unclean seven days; according to the days of the separation for her infirmity shall she be unclean. And in the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised. And she shall then continue in the blood of her purifying three and thirty days; she shall touch no hallowed thing, nor come into the sanctuary, until the days of her purifying be fulfilled.

From this passage it would seem that Jesus was taken to the Temple, in Bethlehem, on the 8th day to be circumcised and 40 or 41 days after His birth, he was taken to Jerusalem to be "presented to the Lord". This is quite important as it gives us a timeframe and important detail associated with Revelation 12 to consider as well as Herod's actions that followed which is a repeat pattern of the Red Dragon's actions in Revelation 12. Now we know that we have at least 40 days or 41 days, from the time of Jesus's birth until He was presented to the Lord in Jerusalem. Luke then provides the following detail:

Luk 2:39 And when they had performed all things according to the law of the Lord (the days of purifications and presenting Jesus in the Temple in Jerusalem), they returned into Galilee, to their own city Nazareth.

So they were in Bethlehem for a maximum of 40 days and traveled to Jerusalem, 5.5 miles away once Mary fulfilled the 40 days. This is the only period during which the wise men could have come to worship Israel's Messiah as Joseph, Mary and Jesus left Bethlehem after this point and did not return again to it, but traveled back to their own city Nazareth after going to the Temple in Jerusalem. Matthew then gives the next piece of the puzzle:

Mat 2:13-15 And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him. When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt: And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.

So after returning to Nazareth from Jerusalem they fled to Egypt and Jesus escaped the actions of Herod, only to return to Nazareth once Herod died and we know that the Word describes to us Jesus's presence in Jerusalem again at age 12.

How does all of this relate to the Revelation 12 sign?

Once again, being so focused on the Revelation 12 sign, before the date came and gone, we never really bothered to check these details out, but now that we have to look for alternative interpretations and new understanding, it is always a good thing to study the patterns that we find in the Word and see how they apply to the situation before us.

Looking now at the Revelation 12 sign, we know that September 9th may have represented the birth of the Manchild (representing the watching Church - being the body of Christ) and that we could find ourselves presently in the 40 days of waiting before we are presented to the Lord in the New Jerusalem, where we will enter our prepared chambers that the Lord had prepared for us.

Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

The catching up to God's throne, based on the pattern that we see in Jesus's case would occur 40 or 41 days after the birth or very shortly thereafter, based on the fact that Jesus was presented to God in the Temple in Jerusalem after 40 days had passed since the time of his birth and we may need to add a day for travel between Bethlehem and Jerusalem. They fled from Herod shortly after this point.

Jupiter left the womb of Virgo on the 9th, but a problem with the 9th is to understand how the sign that occurred on September 23rd would be related to the birth if it indeed occurred on the 9th, since it is 14 days later and there is no pattern that I can find yet that would match a notable event occurring 14 days after the birth. Should the 9th indeed represent the timing of birth, we need to add 40 or 41 days until the presentation before the Lord, or the Manchild being caught up which would then mark this event occurring on October 19th or 20th.

Personally, looking at the situation in the Middle East, I feel there are still some things that need to happen to increase the tension between the regimes currently engaged in this area in order for a situation to exist in which Damascus could be destroyed as part of the "main harvest" event as explained in Isaiah 17. I could be wrong and October 19th or 20th or any other day could be the day and that would be just as exciting!

I believe a better fit would be to understand that the Revelation 12 sign as described to us in the first 2 verses and fulfilled on September 23rd, marked the birth of the Manchild and that we have to count 40 or 41 days from that point to get to the Manchild being presented before the Lord in the New Jerusalem, just before the Red Dragon moves into play. 40 or 41 Days from September the 23rd, 2017 takes us to November 2nd or 3rd which, interestingly enough, is the exact date, 100 years ago, on which the Balfour declaration was made, in which the land of Israel was given back to the nation of Israel! How amazing is that!

If this is a correct understanding, then the Feast of Trumpets may have been fulfilled, announcing the birth of the Manchild, but we may be required to wait out the days of purification (the time during which the Bridegroom tarried and the virgins fell asleep) before we are presented to the Lord in the New Jerusalem! If this period of "waiting to be presented to the Lord in Jerusalem" was applicable to Jesus, where He is the Head, the same should apply in our case, being the body! There is therefore still much hope and only a short time before we will know the answer to this question!

If nothing happens between now and early November, then we keep watching and ask the Lord to give us more understanding. I do however, believe that this year is the acceptable year, clearly marked and pointed out by the Lord and that we will be leaving shortly! Please, keep your lamps full and expect our Lord to return for us soon!

I hope this will lift your spirits and will give you hope and top-up the oil of gladness carried with you in your vessels as we continue to wait for our Bridegroom!

Reply to Leslie Collins

Can't you just except that you’re wrong and He will come when He comes. Our job is to spread the good news and be ready and waiting for His return.

Reply to Jaco Prinsloo

I do not give up that easily Leslie, The Word says that the day of His return will not catch us unawares, which means we will know when it will happen. If we make mistakes along the way as we get closer it should be expected as we are not God and we are limited in our abilities to see into the future. However, I believe at some point, which could be today already, we will know and I will be ready.

That’s right.  King/priest spirit (Re 5:10):  :thumb: It is the glory of God to conceal a matter, but the glory of kings is to search out a matter (Pr 25:2).  

ziggy33200 replied

So here we go. This weekend is when it is all supposed to happen.

Atonement (delay due to barley harvest) is not until later.  

Nice to Know:  Rabbi Judah ben Samuel’s prophecies were fulfilled according to the Gregorian calendar.

New moon confirmed     

Reply to  Brandon Hansen

[Neighborhood vote, rapture] Could you please post a neighborhood event for when the rapture will happen?

I could; but, then you’d hate me.  :juggle:

I bet some folks would like to wrap up some loose ends before moving on, while many heathens would probably like to know when the grocery stores will be less crowded. Thank you!

You’re a ‘glass half full’ kind of guy.  :idunno: Re 22:11       

Reply to Sally Garcia  

Brandon.  You are my hero!

Too bad that’s not Jesus (2 Pe 3:3).  Too bad. :chz4brnz:

Reply to Natalie Johnson  

From a teachers view please vote for Graziano, Holtzmann, Leung, and Schor for the Board of Education.

Get your kids out of the godless public schools (Pr 22:6).

“You don’t reform a brothel.” ~ Bob Enyart

Hemi replied

[To another member] …[I]t [the bible] doesn't mention the stupid things you are claiming it does such as the "Revelation 12 sign" of September 23rd 2017…

Move over Sophocles (2 Pe 2:1).

See:

Nativity Story & the Magi A.O.G. Bible Study

Reply to James Pritchard

Are you a "one issue" voter?

If a candidate can’t get it right on life, I doubt he could get much else right either (Eccl 10:2, Jn 10:10). These lower offices can lead to higher offices.

Are you not aware that this is a women's health issue?

Women in the womb? :idunno: Pr 8:36

If you are a Trumpster…

Not a child-killing, serial adulterer fan, :greedy: no (Eccl 10:2, Jn 10:10).

…[H]ow do you justify that with God?

No blood on my hands. :idunno:

Reply to Patrick Center

Politically motivated posts are unhelpful to your neighbors and telling others how to vote is considered campaigning by Nextdoor and is not allowed.

Then they’ll Imagedelete this post (Jn 8:36).  

Reply to Skip Pr

…[P]erhaps you should ask your religious leaders how to vote…

Our elders (1 Tim. 5:1, 19) don’t 1. live here 2. know these people.

I’ve sent the candidates (Arnold, Gruber, Hettich, Hiltz, Huffman, Laeke, Tobiassen, Wagner) a message to let them know that we are discussing them here--while it’s permitted (Jn 8:36). :shut:  Maybe they will respond.

Reply to Colonel Dave Gruber

Thanks for the opportunity to respond.  Nextdoor is specific in asking candidates not to use their forum to canvass for the election.

Really?  What a shame.

Thanks for the opportunity to respond.  Nextdoor is specific in asking candidates not to use their forum to canvass for the election.  My experience is that serious discussions on Nextdoor often degrade into snarky name calling.

Yes, I’ve seen that in my post already—even more a shame.  :sigh:

...Can you tell me if you are pro-life?  E.g. Should the child in the womb be declared a person and therefore have the right to live?  Are you pro-marriage between one man and one woman for life?

Thank you for your service to our country and good luck in the election.

Reply to Natalie Johnson

my [sic] daughter is not in a public school.

Good. :thumb:

And if she was [sic] it would be none of your business.  You asked for advice and I gave it to you via a teachers [sic] view.      

Makes sense. :o

Reply to Tom Tobiassen

[Facebook reply shared his personal email]

Thank you for your reply on Facebook.  May I ask you the same questions that I asked of Ret. Col. Dave Gruber?  He said that you all are not really allowed to post on Nextdoor.com--remember when this used to be America? [Enclosure:  same questions re:  life, pro-marriage and family.]  

Reply to Allison Hiltz

I am pro-choice and have the endorsements of Colorado BlueFlower Fund, Vote Pro Choice, and the support of Planned Parenthood Votes Colorado.  I also support marriage equality. Please feel free to post them into the comments on my behalf.

Heard back from Allison Hiltz. She is a pro-abort (Pr 8:36) and does not support marriage [one man, one woman (Gen. 2:18–24) in covenant (Matt. 19:6) for life (Rom. 7:2, 3)].

Reply to Jen Barrett

Can we all agree that regardless of who we vote for, our societies problems will not be solved in 2-4 years?

I won’t be here in 2-4 years (1 Thess. 4:16, 17). :rapture:

How about we all do something, starting with being kind to each other.

Col. Gruber was spot on—snotsville.  :granite: Ac 20:20

…We’re all living in the same community, and on the same team.

Don’t know that that’s true (Mt 12:30).  

Rapture Ready (TOL), (CARM), (CC), (TA)