Rapture Ready

[Rabbi Kanievsky to Mishkoltz Rabbi: “All That Can Be Done is to Wait for Messiah” by Adam Eliyahu Berkowitz Breaking Israel News | Israel Latest News, Israel Prophecy News] "“’Behold, I am going to send My messenger, and he will clear the way before Me. And the Lord, whom you seek, will suddenly come to His temple; and the messenger of the covenant, in whom you delight, behold, He is coming,’ says the LORD of hosts. But who can endure the day of His coming? And who can stand when He appears?” Malachi 3:1 (The Israel Bible™)

Last Saturday night, Rabbi Shalom Berger, the spiritual leader of the Mishkoltz sect of Hassidic Orthodox Jews, paid a,div visit to Rabbi Chaim Kanievsky, one of the leading rabbis of this generation.

A large crowd gathered to witness the auspicious meeting of these two great Torah authorities. Rabbi Berger brought a copy of his book on the section of the Talmud (Oral Law) dealing with Shabbat as a gift for Rabbi Kanietoneyvsky, who studied a few pages and encouraged him to write more books of this kind.

Rabbi Berger then asked Rabbi Kanievsky if it is true that this year is especially auspicious for the coming of the Messiah.

Rabbi Kanievsky answered without hesitation. “Of course, the year, 5776, in Hebrew letters (תשע”ו‎) spells ‘salvation’ (תשוע)...” Full text: Rabbi Kanievsky to Mishkoltz Rabbi: “All That Can Be Done is to Wait for Messiah” Re 1:7

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Crucible

The rapture is mostly new age wishful thinking...

Re 3:10 KJV

"Rapture, the—translation of saved at Christ’s return. Not all will sleep (1 Cor. 15:51; 1 Thess. 4:15, 17), Dead in Christ will rise (1 Cor. 15:52; 1 Thess. 4:13, 14, 16), Living to be transformed (1 Cor. 15:51–53), Saints caught up (1 Thess. 4:16, 17). Thomas Nelson Publishers. (1996). Nelson’s quick reference topical Bible index (p. 519). Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers.

And how does that refer to a 'rapture'?

Jn 8:37

musterion

...They're becoming increasingly convinced that they must endure unto the end to be saved, and if they don't they'll be lost.

Perhaps they will (Dan 7:21).
1 Co 15:26

The church is the church. Tribulation saints are tribulation saints----two different groups.

If you'd like to be in the former group, repent greasy gracers (Jud 4).

Birth pangs are painful. They point to his second coming.

musterion

What does "greasy grace" mean. No links, what is your definition of that term, in one or two sentences.

Hypergrace, what John Wesley called the false convert--one who signs a card, walks down an isle, converts at age 8--lives like the devil his whole life and thinks he's going to heaven.

How much oil do you need in your lamp to go in the rapture?

Queue jeopardy theme (right click, open).

musterion

That is a problem, especially if the power of God unto salvation is not being preached...

There is Power in the Blood Matt. 26:28

Crucible

It is heresy, plain and simple. Revelations [sic] speaks upon persecuted Christians rising as Jesus did after he was martyred.

Revelation no "s" (Jas 3:1).

It's a series of revelations.

The Book is Revelation. If you don't know that, you probably shouldn't be teaching eschatology.

The fact that you even have to go there to make yourself appear to be more knowledgeable ...

Ad hominem Eph 4:14, 1 Co 1:27

One more mission. 1 Cor. 9:16

B.I.B.L.E. Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth

SaulToPaul

We have no mandate whatsoever to clean up this earth, or this evil world system.

We are supposed to stare at the sky (Ro 10:14). It's all about you (Lk 19:13).

Lk 12:37, Jn 9:4

Takin' Care Of Business ~ Bachman-Turner Overdrive

SaulToPaul

You're projecting again.

J.O.Y. Goes in the rapture. Jesus Others You 2 Tim. 3:2, Phil. 2:21

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Lordship

The Lord is going to get us there safely (2 Co 12:9).

musterion

[Rejects Lordship] Like talking to a robot.

Hopefully you have an Abraham in the family (Ge 18:25-26, Jas 5:16).

See:

Lordship

Also see:

Be Like Abraham

Crucible

Rapture theory did not exist anywhere in historical eschatology. It is an invention of late.

ἁρπάζω ‘to seize, to snatch away, to take away.’ "...[T]he English "rapture" is a close derivative of the Latin word for "snatch [away]" (viz., rapere) which was used in the Latin Vulgate translation of the New Testament..." Full text: The "Rapture" or The "Snatching Away"

“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven (Mt 7:21, emphasis mine).


Scroll's gonna open shortly (Re 5-8)...

Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you (Mt 28:19–20, emphasis mine).

Crucible

There is no 'rapture'...Revelation 2:10

See:

Re 2:9-10 McGee

Arthur Brain

I think SD's already left the planet so there's some proof for the 'rapture'...

Do you want me to be your governor? Is 32:1, 1 Cor. 6:2; 2 Tim. 2:12; Rev. 2:26, 27; 3:21

See:

The Magnificence of Mercy by Adrian Rogers

Danoh
[To another member] You have been watching too much Star Trek...



The second coming is different. The rapture will already have occurred.

Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left [Matt. 24:40–41].

"I can hear someone saying to me, “Well, preacher, you have finally painted yourself into a corner. You said the church and the Rapture are not in the Olivet Discourse, but here they are. Two shall be in the field; one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.”

Well, my friend, He still is not talking about the Rapture. After all, what is our Lord talking about here? “As the days of Noe were.” Who was taken away in the days of Noah? “They knew not until the flood came, and took them all away.” They perished in the Flood. This is not referring to the Rapture when the church will be taken out of the world. Rather, this pictures the removing from the earth by judgment those who are not going to enter the millennial Kingdom." McGee, J. V. (1991). Thru the Bible commentary: The Gospels (Matthew 14-28) (electronic ed., Vol. 35, p. 146). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

Danoh

...[H]ow did McGee arrive at that...

The church has already been raptured. Those who took the mark are not going into the Millennium.

The believer is taken up with the Lord.

1 Thess 4:16-17, Eph 1:10, 2 Thess 2:1, Heb 12:22-24

Book of remembrance--rapture (Mal 3:16). Book of Life--heaven (Re 20:15).

DAN P

...[W]hy do you post a verse and not tell what it means and your point?

The Feast of Trumpets is shrouded in a mystery. It is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma. The moon was concealed. The Jews needed two witnesses to attest to the fact that they'd seen a sliver of the moon. No one knew the day or the hour.

Nick M

How many good works are needed to offset the evil you have committed?

Eph 2:8-9

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[Nick M post] Ok, now we are getting into the area that this was never supposed to go...

These greasy gracers don't discuss: God's holiness, man's need for repentance, surrendering to God's will, etc.

A chicken says to the pig, let's give the master an egg and bacon sandwich this morning. The pig says, "That's easy for you to say. You're just giving him an egg." Schwarzentraub.

Ask these hypergracers what their faith has cost them.

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We are not here to watch for a rapture. We are awaiting Christ.

He meets us in the air (1 Thess 4:17). What's the difference? Lk 21:34, 1 Thess 5:4, Am 3:7

It's not the same thing. It is not healthy to give up on the battle that is before us in this life.

We eagerly look forward to his appearing (2 Ti 4:8). Do you? Or, do you prefer this world? 1 Jn 2:15 I hope you eagerly look forward to his appearing. If you don't--red flag!

steko

So, you disagree with Paul that we should comfort one another with these words: 1 Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

Pre-trib is comforting. Mid-trib, post-trib--that's not comforting.

Vid: Your tears are as unique (and beautiful) as snowflakes Eccl 3:4, Ps 56:8, 126:5, Re 21:4

In a Big Country ~ Big Country

Most people who are obsessed with the rapture (mentioned on a few times...)...

Start with Exodus--and all over the rest of scripture from there for those with spiritual eyes and ears.

...are escapist...

That's the plan (1 Thess. 4:16, 17). You lovin' this world and the things in it? 1 Jn 2:15

...and think Christian faith is escapist.

Escape Reward for faithfulness Re 2:23

...Go spend a week at PragerU.com...

Prager wouldn't know the truth if it bit him on his back parts.

...and get involved in actually stopping dictatorial government...

The bible makes it clear--this world will get worse before it gets better. Part of making it better is removing the infestation which inhabits it (Eccl 10:2, Jn 10:10, Mt 24:41). Even Prager can understand that. He was pro-flood.

...[Y]ou don't have any credibility.

Poisoning the well Eph 4:14

To await Christ is not the same as to escape our job here.

Who's not working? Mt 24:46

To work on our job here is not "preferring this world".
Don't hate us because we're going in the rapture (1 Cor. 15:51–53). You, too, could love his appearing (2 Ti 4:8).

Where is the appetite to counter the enemies of freedom and liberty now?

What do you think we've been doing all this time? Lk 19:13, Jn 8:36, 2 Thess. 2:7, 8 Explain your displeasure with those who love his appearing (2 Ti 4:8).

Maybe you've never met a Christian (Jas 4:4).

[Prager] Only this week did he explain once again that parent that does not teach kids they have to battle themselves (the evil in themselves, not the 'environment') is worthless.

He can't control himself (Mt 5:28). He's a wave the white flag kind of guy (2 Pe 1:6).

...the Christian mission is here to see the world turned upside down...

No it's not (Mk 16:15).

"We give out the word of God. What men do with it is their business." ~ J. Vernon McGee

You have decided to take one minor aspect of the 2nd coming and distort the very fiber of the thing.

The rapture is not the Second Coming. The rapture occurs prior to his Second Coming.

All those who await the 2nd coming, who want to see Christ, have a deep yearning for all society to be righteous and self-controlled as well.

That will come soon enough. What is more important is to be prepared to be worthy to escape all these things which are coming on the earth (Lk 21:36).

Re: Prager and Mt 5:28 I don't think you've caught what Prager says there. He means that men have that inclination; Christ said this, not that anything can be done about it, but to define that all people are adulterous. "Tidy" remarriage arrangements by the Pharisees do not solve it. Women are often emotionally adulterous, too.

Prager has no interest in scrubbing himself up (Jn 15:3).
There is no such things as remarriage until one's spouse is dead (Rom. 7:2, 3). The word you are looking for is adultery (Heb. 13:4). But, this is Sodom aka America. We make it up as we go along.

Recommend reading:

The Divorce Myth by J. Carl Laney  

Recommended sites:

Christian Divorce and Re marriage Joseph Webb

Marriage Permanence

Permanence of Marriage Until Death Walking by the Spirit Always  

I think your understanding of both people is on the level of sound-bytes...

"Repetition is the mother of pedagogy." ~ Dennis Prager

Prager has said many times how disgusting adultery and porn are; or addiction in general.

He discards wives as one might discard an orange peel after having squeezed all the juice out (Rogers). Prager is a pragmatist.

Re: turning the world upside down. OK, they don't wake up trying to do that each day.

You're awfully concerned with our Day Timers. You could always get off your blessed assurance and do your own kingdom work. Mk 9:41, Dan 10:13, Ps 105:15, Ro 14:4, Mk 6:11, Is 45:24, 54:17, Re 12:10, 12, Mt 13:7, Jud 1:9

...[T]here are secular versions of simply escaping everything in our culture...

Discussion about the rapture disturbs you. Maybe that's because you're not going in it (Lk 21:36). Maybe you're a foolish virgin with no oil in your lamp.

...[W]hich is dangerous thinking...

Dangerous encouraging 1 Thess 4:18

...it is dangerous morally and theologically.

For you, the bible is dangerous. For us it's a bright day (Ps 37:6). There are a lot of caterpillars out there pretending to be butterflies.

There are no long lists of geo-political events that need to take place for the 2nd coming and day of judgment to take place.

The Second Coming occurs after the rapture.

You have mistakenly used Lk 21 here and has no basis.

Jn 8:37

I suppose you are responding to me since you quote me (without a link [Eph 4:14]).

Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen [Rev. 1:7].

"“Behold, he cometh with clouds” denotes the personal and physical coming of Christ.

“And every eye shall see him” reveals that His coming will be a physical and bodily appearance, an appeal to the eye–gate. As far as we know, when Christ takes the church out of the world at the Rapture, He doesn’t appear to everyone. I don’t believe in a secret rapture as some folk have attempted to describe it, but at the time of the Rapture He does not come to the earth. Believers are to be caught up to meet the Lord in the air. If Christ will be coming to the earth at that time, there is no point in being caught up in the air. Therefore, this is not the Rapture which is being described in this verse. This is His return to the earth as King.

“Every eye shall see him.” The emphasis in the Book of Revelation is upon His coming to this earth to establish His Kingdom.

“All kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him.” Probably a better translation is this: “All the tribes of the earth shall beat their breasts because of him.” This is going to be the reaction of all Christ–rejectors. The world will not want to see Him.

“Even so, Amen” means “Yea, faithful.” He is going to do it, my friend. He is not going to change His mind about it. He is faithful." McGee, J. V. (1991). Thru the Bible Commentary: The Prophecy (Revelation 1-5) (electronic ed., Vol. 58, p. 43). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

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Interplanner

[Rapture, Second Coming] It all happens at once...

Jas 3:1

Lazy afternoon

You attempt to defame a son of God...

Choleric put you on Satan, Inc. Eph 4:14, 5:11

Interplanner

This is a non-topic biblically...

“But take heed to yourselves, lest your hearts be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life, and that Day come on you unexpectedly. For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth. Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.” Lk 21:34–36

That whole passage especially is about the destruction of Jerusalem...

"Lk 21:34 that Day. I.e., the day of His return. See note on Matt. 24:37. When Christ mentions His return, he invariably enjoins watchfulness (cf. 12:37–40; Matt. 25:13; Mark 13:33–37)...

...Mt 24:37 as the days of Noah were. Jesus’ emphasis here is not so much on the extreme wickedness of Noah’s day (Gen. 6:5), but on the people’s preoccupation with mundane matters of everyday life (“eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage”—v. 38), when judgment fell suddenly. They had received warnings, in the form of Noah’s preaching (2 Pet. 2:5)—and the ark itself, which was a testimony to the judgment that was to come. But they were unconcerned about such matters and therefore were swept away unexpectedly in the midst of their daily activities.

24:40, 41 one will be taken. I.e., taken in judgment (cf. v. 39) just as in Noah’s day (“took them”; v. 39). This is clearly not a reference to the catching away of believers described in 1 Thess. 4:16, 17.

24:43 the thief. As no one knows what hour the thief will come, no one knows the hour of the Lord’s return or the Day of the Lord that accompanies His coming (cf. 1 Thess. 5:2; 2 Pet. 3:10). But the believer is to be ready at all times." MacArthur, J., Jr. (Ed.). (1997). The MacArthur Study Bible (electronic ed., p. 1440). Nashville, TN: Word Pub.

Also see:

What do partial preterists believe?

What is the preterist view of the end times?

...(seeing it did not happen) we need 2 Peter 3

You can thank him for his longsuffering.

SECTION OUTLINE THREE (2 PETER 3)
Peter describes three “worlds.”

I. THE ANCIENT WORLD (3:5b–6): This world was destroyed by the great Flood in the days of Noah.

II. THE PRESENT WORLD (3:1–5a, 7–12, 14–18)
A. The documents (3:1–2): Peter has written both his epistles admonishing his readers to remember the great truths.
1. The truths spoken by the Old Testament prophets (3:1–2a)
2. The truths spoken by the New Testament apostles (3:2c)
3. The truths spoken by the Savior himself (3:2b)
B. The derision (3:3–5a): Peter warns that scoffers will appear during the last days.
1. They will falsify the facts concerning the future fire judgment (3:3–4): They will say, “Jesus promised to come back, did he? Then where is he?”
2. They will deliberately forget the facts concerning the past flood judgment (3:5a).
C. The destruction (3:7, 10, 12b)
1. The fact of this destruction (3:7): The same God who once sent the flood will one day send fire.
2. The fury of this destruction (3:10, 12b): It will utterly consume both earthly and heavenly elements.
D. The delay (3:8–9)
1. The timelessness of God (3:8): A day to him is as a thousand years, and a thousand years is as a day.
2. The tenderness of God (3:9): He is patient, not wanting anyone to perish.
E. The dedication (3:11–12a, 14–18): In light of all this, two biblical writers admonish believers to live godly and holy lives.
1. Peter’s exhortation (3:11–12a, 14, 17–18): Grow in favor with the Lord.
2. Paul’s exhortation (3:15–16): The Lord is waiting to return so that more people will have time to be saved.

III. THE NEW WORLD (3:13): This future earth will become the home of universal righteousness
Willmington, H. L. (1999). The Outline Bible (2 Pe 3). Wheaton, IL: Tyndale House Publishers.

Interplanner

...Nothing, nada, zip about events in Israel that 'need' to happen so that the 2nd coming can proceed.

Ad infinitum Eph 4:14

See:

What is the difference between the Rapture and the Second Coming?

Lazy afternoon

The rapture occurs at the second coming.

I've got a door knob more biblically literate than you (2 Pe 2:1).

Lazy afternoon

Heb 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation [Heb. 9:28].

"This is not speaking of the Rapture, but of His coming as sovereign to judge the earth. (However, believers will not come into judgment.) When He appears the second time it will not be to settle the sin question. He is not going to come the next time to walk around the Sea of Galilee or through the streets of Jerusalem to see what men will do with His sacrifice. He is coming in judgment.

Therefore today we can put it very simply: there is just one of two places for your sin—either your sin is on you, or it is on Christ. If you have not accepted the sacrifice of Christ, if you are not trusting Him as your redeemer, if He is no authority to you, then there is nothing ahead of you but the judgment of the Great White Throne. No one who appears there is going to be saved, but everyone will be given a fair chance to present their works and discover that God was right all along. And I have news for you: God is always right. So today if your sin is on you, there is nothing that can remove it but the death of Christ.

When Christ comes the next time it will be “without sin unto salvation”—that is, He will complete salvation at that time. Our salvation is in three tenses: I have been saved; I am being saved; I shall be saved. “Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is” (1 John 3:2). Now that is going to be a great day. It is going to be a great day for Vernon McGee, so don’t you be dissatisfied with me, will you not? God is not through with me.

Down in Mississippi a dear little lady wearing a sunbonnet got up in a testimony meeting under the brush arbor and said, “Most Christians ought to have written on their backs, ‘This is not the best that the grace of God can do.’” Well, that should be written on the backs of all Christians. God is not through with any of us. Thank God for that! He is going to appear the second time without sin unto salvation—He is going to deliver us. But, my friend, He will not come to settle the sin question for anyone who has not accepted Him—to them He is coming as judge." McGee, J. V. (1991). Thru the Bible commentary: The Epistles (Hebrews 8-13) (electronic ed., Vol. 52, p. 46). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

Lazy afternoon

[Heb 9:28 J. Vernon McGee] Made up.

You're projecting again (Eph 4:14).

See:

Heb 9:27-28 Guthrie

[Pre tribbers] ...[T]hey follow one another and never get a clear word from Christ...

You're projecting again (Eph 4:14).

Mt 24:44
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...Netanyahu: Looking Forward To Working With Trump On Twin Interests Of Peace, Security 1 Thess 5:3

Sesame Street Rubber Ducky Song

Interplanner

It is the Levitical sense. Believers have been cleansed in Christ.

Depends on what the meaning of believer is (Re 3:17).

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Those who believe Heb 8-10.

Those people (Mt 7:22-23).

Love without holiness is mere sentiment (1 Jn 3:9).

Are You Saved? Ps. 24:4

”Slider you stink.” ~ Maverick



So...you aren't talking about 'unclean' after all.

Jn 3:8

Mk 13:35

Interplanner

If we have learned anything from the last 50 years of pop eschatology, it is that date-setters are delusional.

Am 3:7


Lord, who may abide in Your tabernacle?
Who may dwell in Your holy hill?
He who walks uprightly,
And works righteousness,
And speaks the truth in his heart;
He who does not backbite with his tongue,
Nor does evil to his neighbor,
Nor does he take up a reproach against his friend;
In whose eyes a vile person is despised,
But he honors those who fear the Lord;
He who swears to his own hurt and does not change;
He who does not put out his money at usury,
Nor does he take a bribe against the innocent.

He who does these things shall never be moved. Ps 15:1–5

SaulToPaul

Too bad you are not eligible to dwell in the holy hill of Zion...none of us are.

Ditch the leisure suit. Get yourself a robe of righteousness (Is. 61:10).

See:

Jesus Only by J. Vernon McGee

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SaulToPaul

SaulToPaul

Mal 4:4-6, Mt 24:14

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SaulToPaul

[Works]

See:

Jas 2:17-18 McGee

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SaulToPaul

[Trust]

Matt. 12:17–21

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SaulToPaul

[As a reminder SaulToPaul is number 57 on Satan, Inc. (TOL Heretics list) in "The 'Jesus is not God' people (Non-trinitarians) category. ] Too bad you are not eligible to dwell in the holy hill of Zion...none of us are.

Lazy afternoon

As a reminder Lazy afternoon is number 11 on Satan, Inc. (TOL Heretics list) in "The 'Jesus is not God' people (Non-trinitarians) category. ] You can only speak for yourself.

We don't know another's heart (1 Co 4:5). We can get an idea about who they are by the fruits that they produce: A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Therefore by their fruits you will know them (Mt 7:18–20).

SaulToPaul

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Eph 5:11

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SaulToPaul

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Eph 4:14

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SaulToPaul

Changing quotes is against TOL rules.

Proof please (Eph 4:14).

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I think the false accuser is going to be taking a nice TOL vacation soon...

Eph 4:14

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SaulToPaul

Jesus loves you (Jn 3:16). Jesus is willing to save you (2 Pe 3:9). Repent (Eze 18:30-32; Ac 17:30). Believe (Mk 9:23).

[Receive warning for 'provoking SaulToPaul'] Ro 14:4, Ps 105:15

Crucible

Before the 17th century there was no concept of a rapture.

And before that there was. 1 Thess. 4:16, 17

Crucible

[1 Thess. 4:16, 17] There's not a single verse in scripture that actually shows your rapture.

Jn 8:37

Daniel1769

...Rapture after the Tribulation...

Lk 21:36, Re 3:10

Crucible

[Rapture]...[I]t only exists in your imagination...

1 Cor. 15:51–53

northwye

...Rapture cultists say that Christ can come at any time.
Better check your oil (Matt. 25:1–13).

john w

Catholic serpent dove-it is the Lord Jesus Christ...

This from a guy who rejects Lordship? 2 Pe 2:1

john w
[Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dumb, Rejection of Lordship] Yes...

I am warned, removed from a conversation and/or banned when I respond to you (2 Pe 2:1).

Sorry to 'provoke' you.

john w

[Here for now (Jb 38:19)] Oh.

"Section Outline Twelve (Revelation 12)
John sees an interplay between a woman and a dragon, symbolizing the nation of Israel and Satan.


I. SATAN’S FORMER HATRED FOR GOD AND HIS PEOPLE (12:1–5)
A. His sin at the beginning (12:3–4): This seems to refer to his original fall.
B. His sin at Bethlehem (12; 1–2, 4–5)
1. Satan’s persecution of God’s nation (12:1–2)
2. Satan’s persecution of God’s Son (12:4b, 5b)
a. The birth of Jesus (12:4a, 5a)
b. The ascension of Jesus (12:5c)


II. SATAN’S FUTURE HATRED FOR GOD AND HIS PEOPLE (12:6–18)
A. The woman in the wilderness (12:6, 13–18): The woman here is the nation of Israel.
1. Israel will be persecuted by Satan during the Great Tribulation (12:13, 15, 17–18).
2. Israel will be protected by God during the Great Tribulation (12:6, 14, 16).
B. The war in the heavens (12:7–12): Some believe this will occur in the middle of the Great Tribulation.
1. The results (12:7–9)
a. The defeat of Satan (12:7–8): Michael the archangel will defeat him.
b. The dismissal of Satan (12:9) : He will be cast down to earth.
2. The reaction (12:10–12)
a. Satan will be filled with wrath (12:10b, 12c).
b. Saints will be filled with joy (12:10a, 11–12a).
c. Sinners will be filled with fear (12:12b)" Willmington, H. L. (1999). The Outline Bible (Re 12). Wheaton, IL: Tyndale House Publishers.

Related:

Revelation 12 Sign

Daniel1769

[Lk 21:36, Re 3:10] Nothing there says the rapture is before the tribulation.

If you think you're not going in the rapture you're probably right (Re 2:22).

But who can endure the day of His coming?
And who can stand when He appears?
For He is like a refiner’s fire
And like launderers’ soap.
He will sit as a refiner and a purifier of silver;
He will purify the sons of Levi,
And purge them as gold and silver,
That they may offer to the Lord
An offering in righteousness. Mal 3:2–3

everready

The rapture debacle in a nutshell...Jesuit End Times Antichrist Deception...

When we're all gone no we haven't been abducted by aliens. 1 Thess. 4:16, 17

Related:

Believe the Lie

john w

[Re 12:1-2 sign] Translated: Spam, throw out a bunch of unrelated verses...

Jn 8:37
As a reminder john w is number 58 on Satan, Inc. (TOL Heretics list) in "The 'Jesus is not God' people (Non-trinitarians) category.

SaulToPaul

[Re 12:1-2] The poor lost works salvationist...

Strawman Eph 4:14

As a reminder SaulToPaul is number 57 on Satan, Inc. (TOL Heretics list) in "The 'Jesus is not God' people (Non-trinitarians) category.

SaulToPaul

[Jb 38:19, Re 12:1-2 sign] Still provoking, despite getting a warning. I believe your TOL days are getting short.

Eph 4:14

As a reminder SaulToPaul is number 57 on Satan, Inc. (TOL Heretics list) in "The 'Jesus is not God' people (Non-trinitarians) category.

[Banned: provoking other members] "Truth is hate to those who hate the truth." ~ Bob Enyart Mk 9:41, 13:7, 25:8, 40, Dan 10:13, Ps 105:15, Ro 14:4, Mk 6:11, Is 45:24, 54:17, Re 12:10, 12, Jud 1:9

Reveal Key To Going In The Rapture Pt. 1 1 Thess. 4:15, 17

Tt 2:13

Is the New Star Really a Sign of a Messiah for Israel? Rev. 22:16

Flashback:

Dreams & Visions: Natan

Related:

What are the strengths and weaknesses of the midtribulational view of the rapture (midtribulationism)?


Lk 12:35 HCSB


1 Pe 1:13


Tt 2:13

Sower View Post

How could the saints see the abomination of desolation, during the tribulation, and/or flee Judea if they were raptured Pre-Trib?

Those who will not take the mark of the beast--tribulation saints. Don't confuse the church (the bride) with tribulation saints.

Serpentdove, Jesus was talking to the disciples, the church (the bride), when He said...Take heed that no man deceive you...Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill some of you...When ye see the abomination of desolation...let them which be in Judea flee to the mountains...For then shall be great tribulation...per Matthew 24:4-26, was He not?

He's speaking about believers of the first resurrection. The church and the tribulation saints are not the same thing. The church will forever be known as the church--the bride of Christ. Tribulation saints will forever be known as tribulation saints--those that came out of the Great Tribulation--two different people groups. I'd recommended being in the former rather than the latter.

...during the great tribulation per Revelation 20:4,6, what's the difference?

Those who are raised in the first resurrection are raise to life (OT saints, the church [the bride] and tribulation saints). Those raised in the second resurrection are raised for judgment at the Great White Throne.

The fact that they preferred darkness over light implies they make a conscious choice between two recognized, and at least partly understood, alternatives.

Everyone has a choice. We tasted and saw that the Lord is good (Ps 34:8). They chose a different path.

Limey_Bob. View Post
Don't you think that you could be merely reading your own biases and presuppositions into the text of a highly poetic book?...

I'm not the author of the article.

Come away ~ Norah Jones

Sower View Post

...[T]here is no Pre-Trib rapture...

Perhaps for you (Re 2:22). Maybe you'll do better without your head.

Yogi View Post

I would like to point out how Jesus explained it; Matt.13:28, 29- Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near: So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors. If anything, He is saying that summer may be the real focus....

Look at the fig tree, and all the trees (Lk 21:29b NKJV, emphasis mine).

chtek View Post

PrPretty amazing stuff, serpentdove. I think that you could do equally as well by reading a Harleguin Romance.

I don't read perv' books (Pr 4:23).

I do not agree with your theory…... class="auto-style11">I'm not the author of the article.

Sower View Post

Are you aware, the rapture/coming of Christ "as a thief"...

To the unbeliever and make-believer--not to us (1 Thess 5:4).

Satire: "Jesus Not Coming Back By The Looks Of It" Admits Vatican Cardinal 2 Co 2:11, 11:14

Sower View Post

.....[T]here is no Pre-trib rapture...
For you--no doubt (Re 2:22). For the wise virgins prepared (Matt. 25:1–13) [SD] --we're outta here soon (1 Thess. 4:16, 17).

[N[No] ...Pre-trib rapture...

If you've been serving him, you'll be spared. If you haven't you'll go into the tribulation.

Jester View Post

[Those who are raised in the first resurrection are raise to life (OT saints, the church [the bride] and tribulation saints). Those raised in the second resurrection are raised for judgment at the Great White Throne.] Incorrect. Nothing in the Bible that states that the first resurrection have to do anything with [sic] the rapture or the resurrection of the Saints at any moment. Rather it is the born again. Please read Revelation 20:4 carefully...

See:

Re 20:4 McGee, MacArthur

The Elite are Building Luxury Bunkers Re 6:15–1

Elon Musk just posted a bunch of pictures of his tunnel and 'Boring' equipment

BIN Conference Speaker Kade Hawkins, Founder of Prophecy News Watch, Is “Reporting Prophecy As it Unfolds”

Rapture in the OT

2nicee

I I alone believe in the mid tribulation rapture. I just want to get your view on this if you are pre-trib, mid-trib or post-trib rapture believer.

I'm pre-trib.

TribulationSigns View Post  

[To another member] ...[Y]ou are confused because of your premillennial perspective, positing two resurrections rather than one.

Re 20:6

chteck View Post

[To another member] ...[Y]ou are wrong in suggesting that it is because of my premillennial perspective. Not so. This is the belief also of many who are not premillennial in their eschatology.

Now ask if he/she believes in a literal 1000 year reign. We take the bible cerealisly.

buddyt

[Chuck Missler] 

Good teacher.

Muzungu256

I went to a pre-trib research center on the internet and wow this system is so complicated...

It's not difficult at all. Here's the outline: Write the things which you have seen, and the things which are, and the things which will take place after these things (Re 1:19).

See:

Revelation Session 1: Introduction Chuck Missler

PlainWord

...[T]here is no time in heaven.

Re 8:1

See:

Is God Outside of Time? Not according to the Bible. By Bob Enyart

PlainWord

Who is smarter, Bob Enyart or Albert Einstein?

Then you are of Einstein but you're not of God (1 Co 1:15). The idea that God is outside of time comes from Greek paganism not the bible.

valiant

[Satan] He is restrained...

"If Satan is bound, the leash is too long." ~ Chuck Smith

valiant

which book of the Bible is Chuck Smith in...

He reminded people never to believe a word he said. Be a Berean and check it out for yourself (Ac 17:11).

RickyZ

God can reach out and touch any point in time...

.

See:

Is the Future Settled or Open? Dr. Lamerson vs. Enyart

PlainWord

Even your own article that you linked us to starts out by saying this: "Most Christian theologians join countless philosophers of the last 2,500 years in saying that God is outside of time." So I guess I join those countless Christian theologians and scholars

Bandwagon

Odelschwanck

What we really need to be worrying about is King Ghidorah.

Bladerunner

We are only 3 dimensional.

I agree we'll get more dimensions in our glorified body. What does that have to do with time?

Bladerunner

I really do not understand,,,,,one minute you are saying one thing and then next another. If God is omni-present... which means he is everywhere at the same time...

Why would you understand? You haven't read the books. The meaning you pour into the omnis and the ims is important. Don't be a Greek pagan.

VCO

God is not a traveler in time, but rather the creator of time...

Time is not a created thing.

valiant

[Satan's world] ...[H]is restraint is by God as He wills.

He's not on his earthly throne where he's supposed to be. Revelation is about setting things as they should be.

samuel23

Before God created, there was no matter, no space, and no time.

And then he created a big clock. Re 8:1

Muzungu256

[Time not a creation] You realize this is very new idea that Bob Enyart is proposing? Jews don't believe this and they are our forefathers in a sense.

Ad Antiquitatem , Bandwagon

valiant

Pre-trib was unknown in the early church. It was invented by Darby & co.

False (2 Pet. 2:1).

See:

Revelation Session 01 Introduction Chuck Missler

samuel23

You can look up pre-trib rapture in the encyclopedia and it will tell you that it was created by John Darby around 1830...

Going to have to look back a bit farther than that.

samuel23

To those who insist on promoting this false pre-trib rapture, I feel so sorry for you folks...

No one is arguing that you are going in the rapture (1 Thess. 4:16, 17).

samuel23

Hey SP Read 2 Thess 2 and it will tell you that the rapture cannot occur until after the revealing of the Antichrist...

Got that backwards.

Order of Events 2 Thess 2 Missler  

Muzungu256

...[Y]ou got the old testament saints you got the church you got the tribulation saints...

Old Testament Saints (John the Baptist last one [Lk 7:28]), the church/the bride of Christ, tribulation saints.

We, the church, are overcomers (Re 2-3). The tribulation saints will be overcome (Re 13:7a, 9–10a). In other words, they get their heads chopped off, watch the torture of their loves ones chopping off fingers in front of them one by one. They cannot take the mark of the beast or they will be forever lost--no chance of heaven and become a beast (dna manipulation).

...[Y]ou got 3 raptures...

2 comings: 1. in the clouds--the rapture 2. The Second Coming

...[M]any resurrections...

A first resurrection (better [Re 20:6]) and a second resurrection.

Also see:

Re 19:9-10 McGee, MacArthur

...[S]eparate kingdoms...

Innocence (Ge 1:28), conscience (Ge 3:7), human government (Ge 8:15), Promise (Ge 12:1), law (Ex 19:1), grace (Ac 2:1), kingdom (Re 20:4).

...[A]nd many gospels...

1 Co 15:3-4

Men have always been saved the same way--by grace through faith (see: Hall of Faith [Heb 11]).

...[I]nsane!

2 Ti 1:7

Muzungu256

Aren't you the same lady who thinks God is bound by time?

Aren't you the one who believes that God is watching a DVD of our lives play out in the sky?

valiant

[Spiritualizes/allagorizes everything] There is a spiritual resurrection...

Do you believe in a physical, literal, bodily resurrection of Jesus? What you mean by spiritual resurrection?

Muzungu256

That is what I also believe.

Do you believe in a physical, literal, bodily resurrection of Jesus?

valiant

[Do you believe in a physical, literal, bodily resurrection of Jesus?] Yes but in a resurrection glorified body.

Do you believe in a literal Millennial reign by Jesus?

valiant

No, I do not.

valiant

[What you mean by spiritual resurrection?] When He has raised us with Christ and has seated us in Heavenly Places (Eph 2.5-6). Confirmed by Col 3.1.

Does Jesus now have a body?

valiant

As far as we know the answer is yes.

You'd better know. We will be like him. Is replacement theology true?

Israel’s alleged 1967 nuclear ‘doomsday operation’ plan to be revealed

Bladerunner

God gave Satan dominion of the entire earth--only when the 2nd advent happens will Satan be replaced with Jesus.

The Book of Revelation is all about putting everyone where they belong.

valiant

No. the church has not replaced Israel, it is Israel.

Israel is not the church. The church is not Israel. Eph. 3:4–9

valiant

[Israel is not the church. The church is not Israel. Eph. 3:4–9] Well Paul disagrees with you...

I think you mean the Roman Catholic brothel disagrees with me (Jud 11).

VCO
Dr. John MacArthur, Jr.
Dr. Adrian Rogers
Dr. Charles Stanley...

All named above reject the movement of the Holy Spirit in the world today. Hope they are/were indwelled themselves. 1 Co 14:39

samuel23
Hi SD, they are not rejecting the movement of the Holy Spirit just the things they see in Pentecostalism that are not of God.

The gift is subject to abuse, no doubt (1 Cor. 14:22–26).

PlainWord
We are in the new age called the Millennium.

Who rules and reigns on earth during the Millennium? Rev. 20:1–10

Queue jeopardy theme

PlainWord
The Mosaic Age ended meaning the end of the Jewish nation.

Guess Gabriel didn't know what he was talking about (Lk 1:31–33).

samuel23
Who is preaching the word to them...

"...2. What John hears (7:2b–3): The fifth angel instructs the four not to harm the earth or sea until God’s servants have been sealed.
B. The sealed (7:4–8)
1. The total (7:4) : One hundred forty-four thousand are sealed.
2. The tribes (7:5–8): Twelve thousand from each of Israel’s twelve tribes are sealed." Willmington, H. L. (1999). The Outline Bible (Re 7:2–8). Wheaton, IL: Tyndale House Publishers.

valiant
...The mark of the beast was in the Roman 'world'...

Who puts down Rome II?

"...[L]et me quote Dr. Unger from Unger’s Bible Commentary: Zechariah (p. 40):

In line with Daniel’s great prophecies concerning “the times of the Gentiles” (Dan. 2:31–45; 7:2–13) three of the horns in turn and under the punitive hand of God become smiths, while the fourth and last horn is cast down by the world–wide kingdom set up by the returning Christ, coming to dash to pieces His enemies who are at the same time His peoples’ enemies (Ps. 2:1–12). Thus the first horn (Babylon) is cast down by Medo–Persia, the second horn. The second horn (Medo–Persia), accordingly, in turn becomes the first smith. The second horn (Medo–Persia) is cast down by the third horn, and thus becomes the second smith. The third horn (Macedonian Greece), is in turn cast down by the fourth horn (Rome), which thus becomes the third smith. The fourth horn (Rome), the most dreadful of all, does not become a smith but in its revived ten–kingdom form of the last days is destroyed by the fourth smith, the millennial kingdom set up by the returning “King of kings and Lord of lords” (Rev. 19:16).

..." McGee, J. V. (1991). Thru the Bible commentary: The Prophets (Zechariah) (electronic ed., Vol. 32, p. 25). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

valiant
Jesus is reigning over the earth (Acts 2.30-36).

Satan said, “I will give you [Jesus] the glory of these kingdoms and authority over them … if you will bow down and worship me.” Lk 4:5–7. Did Jesus say that he had no authority over the kingdoms?

VCO
You cannot even imagine the horrors of the Great Tribulation that certainly will come.

Many confuse persecution (par for the course for the Christian) and the Great Tribulation.

See:

A 16 year Boy’s Vision Of The Great Tribulation

Muzungu256
...[W]hy do Jews agree that Daniel 9:27 was fulfilled...

(2) Second period, 434 years, at which time the Messiah will be crucified (9:26)
(3) Third period, 7 years, a reference to the coming Great Tribulation (9:27) Willmington, H. L. (1999). The Outline Bible (Da 9:25–27). Wheaton, IL: Tyndale House Publishers.

Muzungu256
...[I]f someone can explain to me how people still die in the millennial kingdom...

Unbelievers die. It's not heaven.

[I]sn't the millennium God's kingdom? Why are the unsaved mortals there?

They also get a choice.

Muzungu256
...Where does it say Jesus Christ comes back twice?

1 Thess 4:17 (clouds, his feet do not touch the earth, rapture), Zech 14:4 (fault line waiting for a footprint, second coming).

PlainWord
[Preterist]

Eph 4:14

See:

What is the preterist view of the end times?

Bookends
[Re: preterism] Your wooden literal mind wouldn't understand.

See:

The Purifying Hope, Part 3 by John MacArthur

popeye
[Marriage figurative of: God’s union with Israel (Is. 54:5), Christ’s union with His Church (Eph. 5:23–32), blaspheming God] I would not advise anyone to answer this. He is here to malign Jesus. Completely unteachable.

Pr 26:4, Mt 12:36

pckts

[See: Revelation Session 01 Introduction Chuck Missler] I don't go off of Chuck's calendar...

He teaches from the scriptures (Eph 4:14).

Sower View Post

[Debate re: pre-trib ] 

 

 

"Look, we'll have landed by the time you get it right." ~ John Hammond, Jurassic Park

The Greatest End-Times Sign - Revelation 12 | September 23, 2017 ... Here's Why. Scott Clarke

Flashback:

The first solar eclipse to cross America in 99 years is coming. To some, it’s an act of God.

Related:

America Will Not Repent

unsapien Wrote:
[Rapture] No it's worse then that...you hope for it.

Of course we do (Lk 21:36). This isn’t where you want to be when things begin to get bad.

unsapien Wrote:
“Slowing down to get a look at an accident is sad...but...driving down a road hoping that you will see an accident that day is much worse.”

I don’t look at accident scenes. You think we want our loved ones to enter into the tribulation?

Thumpalumpacus Wrote:
[Zombie]
Sure you wanna take that mark of the beast?

Related:

Becoming a Beast

Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:
I saw this thread and got all excited...Then I saw it was from 2011...

That was when the watchmen began to wake up (Am 3:7).

Bucky Ball Wrote:

...Paul too, was hoodwinked...

He didn't have the benefit of John's writing, Revelation.

TheInquisition Wrote:
...Are you asserting that the 2nd coming is on the 23rd of September this year?

The rapture of the church hasn't even happened yet. Do you buy your Day-Timer from China?

Minimalist Wrote:
No fair using facts when all the other guy has are fairy tales...

The Re 12:1-2 sign conjecture may be physical proof.  

TheInquisition Wrote:
Are you asserting that the rapture will occur on the 23rd of September this year?

The rapture is the next event on God's prophetic calendar. If the feasts occur chronologically, some conjecture that the rapture is near.   

TheInquisition Wrote: Doesn't sound like you are that sure of this alleged prophecy.

I’m pretty sure that Damascus is toast (Is 17, Jer 49:23-24, Re 12, 14). Want to dismiss that, too?

Paul believed he’d be raptured in his lifetime (1 Cor. 15:51). Was he a chump for believing that? No. He didn't have the benefit of John’s Book of Revelation--or Stellarium software. We do (Is 28:9-10).

Nothing needs to happen for the rapture to occur.

OmniConsUme Wrote: ... Prophecy was never to tell the future.

Is 42:9, Rev. 22:10

dancefortwo Wrote: You're forgetting your omniscient god already knew Julep would make that choice even before time began...

God doesn't see a future that does not yet exist. Who was Revelation given to? Re 1:1

era Wrote: ..[B]ronze-age mythology...

Bronze age; yes, Nebuchadnezzar dreamed something about that. We're coming up on the toes where you'll be turned into a beast. Good luck with that, nanu nanu.

unsapien Wrote: Even if I thought your god was real I could never ally myself with a being that seeks to gain my obedience with threats of torture.

You have no fear. Ps 14:3

unsapien Wrote: [You think we want our loved ones to enter into the tribulation?] If some of them did, do you think they would deserve it?

I know they would deserve it. God is just. We get a new family.

unsapien Wrote: Do you think your god knows what he's doing?

Yes. He has plan. He’s calling out a people for his namesake. Whosoever will will. Whosoever won’t won’t.

Thoreauvian Wrote: I see you bill yourself as a Christian. By your own understanding of the word, what is a Christian?

A Christ-follower. I'm a slave to him (Ro 8:14). You're a slave to sin (Jn 8:34).

jennybee Wrote: …I thought no one knows the day or hour when Jesus will return but for God himself (Matt. 24).

You didn’t keep reading?

JesseB Wrote: ...[T]he rapture was supposed to happen during the lifetimes of the supposed disciples...

All people from then to now had hope--you're welcome (1 Thess 4:18). What they didn't have is the Re 12:1-2 sign which may be appearing in the sky on 23 Sept 17. 

Let's Get it Started ~ "The Peas" (Porn O'Reilly )

jennybee Wrote: I got raptured and all I got was this lousy T-shirt.
So you won't hear me. Next stop, listen to the two witnesses. Do not take the mark of the beast and lay down your life.

jennybee Wrote: I'm hearing you. I just think you're full of sh*t.
You get 3 1/2 years to choose to have your head chopped off (your best option). After that, those who have had their heads chopped off are gone with the two witnesses who also laid down their lives.

Then, you try to hide in the earth and are angry. ).

JesseB Wrote: Sticks n stones lady, sticks n stones.

We agree that we want evil removed from the planet. We just disagree about who that is (Am 5:18-20, Re 11:18).

JesseB Wrote: Who says I want "evil" removed from the world?

You'd like to contribute to it. Again, your choice (Eccl 10:2, Jn 10:10). You get your world--your heyday--to do what you will to Jews and Christians for 3 1/2 years. Knock yourself out. Mt 18:6

"I prefer clarity to agreement." ~ Dennis Prager

JesseB Wrote: [You won't have fear. Why would I wish to remove your will? Ro 9:22] You're right, I don't have fear. But I do get annoyed...

It's a yes or no question. Why would I wish to remove your will? Ro 9:22

TheBear Wrote: Carnage, and death, and bloodshed, and beheadings, and agony, and torture, and suffering - coming soon to a planet near you. Stand by for your local listings and times.

Ps 58:10

JesseB Wrote: What you wish, what you want, what you think, and what you believe are irrelevant.

I agree. What has God said (Eph 4:14).

TheBear Wrote: ...[T]he usage of 'we believe' groupthink...

Satanists don't have we believe group think? The bible is a black and white book--you are righteous or wicked. Sorry you're in the latter camp.

morondog Wrote: ...Pure bullshit from end to end...

Are you able to form a sentence without a description of human copulation or excrement?

Clockwork Wrote: I'm glad none of the Christians I personally know believe these Rapture claims when they come out.

Do you know a Christian? 1 Thess 5:5-6

OmniConsUme Wrote: ...Fundies gave up on living life.

Lk 19:13 Clockwork Wrote: Can you answer without a verse?

Do you mean a bible verse? Mk 8:38  

noble View Post

[Rejects Pre-Trib] The verse says they are in the clouds with the Lord forever...

They are the bride--the church:

Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words (1 Th 4:17-18, NKJV).

Tribulation saints are not raptured. They remain on the earth to be martyred (Re 11:7).[SD]

noble View Post

ThThe people who are resurrected in verse 16 [For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first] are raised after the great trib…...

Wrong. Our loved ones who have departed before us rise first. Then, we meet them in the air to be with the Lord. [SD]

The rapture of the church is before the tribulation. We are not appointed to wrath: Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth (Re 3:10).

[Tribulation saints are not raptured. They remain on the earth to be martyred (Re 11:7).] I don't call them tribulation saints…...

The church will always be the church--a special group in heaven. Tribulation saints must wait under the alter to be raised when the two witnesses die. When the last martyr gets his head chopped off then there will be no reason for the two witnesses to remain. They too, give up their lives as they instructed the Lord’s followers to do for 3 ½ years. After that time the only ones who remain on the earth are God-haters. Then, a can of seal six opens up for them at the mid-point.

noble View Post

The characteristics of those who are in the first resurrection are listed in Rev 20:4…

These are the tribulation saints not the bride of Christ (the church). They had to wait for the two witnesses to die at the mid-point. The two witnesses had been preaching give up your life so you can live. If men take the mark of the beast--they mix their DNA with beast DNA, they will become a beast. Jesus died for men in Adam not men/beasts. If anyone takes the mark, he cannot be saved. They will have to willingly go to the guillotine to live with the Lord forever. When the last martyr dies, the two witnesses also lay down their lives: They overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto death (Re 12:11).

And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years (Re 20:4).

…and 6.

We, the church, are in the First Resurrection. They, the tribulation saints, are also in the Frist Resurrection. Tribulation saints have to wait under the alter until the two witnesses die: How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? Re 6:10

We have already gone to the throne room of heaven (Re 4).

That restricts the participants to people who have testified about Jesus…

That’s what we’ve been doing. The church has always been persecuted for her faith. Persecution is not the tribulation of Revelation--that is par for the course for a believer.

…[P]eople who resisted the tribulation beast in some way and they are all righteous men...

The church has always resisted the world system. We are hated for our love for Jesus (Eccl 10:2, Jn 10:10). Again, nothing new under the sun. We are not overcome. We are the overcomers (Re 1-3). Tribulation saints are overcome (Re 13:7).

…[T]hat doesn't fit any of my loved ones at all.

If your loved ones believe that Jesus is the Son of God and call out to him, they will be saved (Ro 10:9-13). If they fail to do this prior to the rapture, they will go into the tribulation and will have to lose their head if they are ever to be saved.

There are no resurrections of the dead until the coming and the 'caught up'…

ThThen who were all of those dead people walking after Jesus rose? He is the firstfruit. To be a firstfruit, there must be additional numbers. We, the church, are the main harvest. The tribulation saints are the corners. We are the barley harvest. The Jews are the wheat harvest. Owners could not glean the corners of their fields legally. There’s a certain way that we all come into the kingdom.

Jesus told them to flee from Judea…

Are you a Jew? You’re not fleeing anywhere. You’re in Christ or you’re not. The Jews currently reject the New Testament. When the Lord places his foot on the Mt. of Olives (there is a fault line there), there will be a crack in the earth. Satan attempts to drown the Jews in a flood. The earth opens up and protects them. They (the Jews not you) now believing the New Testament, flee. The Jews who do not believe die.

I would think you would call Christians on earth ...'church' too.

If you remain, you were not of the church. The evidence is your still being here after the rapture. You weren’t the church. You’ll never be the church. Don’t buy pearls—they’re not a picture of you.

The church is the church. The tribulations saints are the tribulation saints.

Earth-dwellers are Satan’s children. They murder tribulation saints in the first 3 ½ years. Jews aren’t given the opportunity to lose their heads and die. They; rather, are enslaved--women are raped and the Lord comes to their rescue at the mid-point.

Anyone still around at the mid-point is a God-hater (they’ve been murdering tribulation saints and raping Jewish women). After the Lord comes to protect his people, the Babylonia system goes down. He is the stone that puts down Nebuchadnezzar’s statue--Babylonian system finished.

Rod.ney View Post

Once they get to those clouds...

DoDoes that remind you of the Jews and the Shakina glory? It should.

[After receiving glorified bodies]…[T]hey are then no longer in those clouds…

Why would we stay in the clouds? We go to the throne room.

…I will follow the Lord in order to be with Him…

If you are his, you will join him in the clouds. If you are an unbeliever or a make-believer, you will not.

…[T]o get ready for His Wedding (Rev.19:7-8 )…

We invite the tribulation saints. I don't mind setting a table.

…[T]he created the New earth…

Created at the mid-point. The earth will have been poisoned by radiation.

Is the USA in the Bible? Great American Eclipse Aug 21st, 2017 a Real End Time Sign? Steve Cioccolanti & Discover Ministries

TomL replied

There is no pretribulation rapture…

Something about the Re 12:1-2 sign that bothers you? 2 Pe 2:1

GISMYS View Post

There is no teaching of bible prophecy whatsoever.

Our churches are full of weaklings and fools because of you. The people that are supposed to be salt and light to the world are neither.

You know Satan sends his workers out too, don’t you? Mark 4:15

davidbrainerd View Post

Right, the time is short, so make sure to waste it all teaching eschatology nonsense rather than the gospel.

Case in point (2 Pe 2:1).

GISMYS View Post

Critical Warning to all Pastors and Bible Teachers. Give the people Truth and warn of the cost of sin and the lateness of the hour as rapture day is very near!

Could be (Re 12:1-5).

GISMYS View Post

[Cut & paste repeating self]

You already said this.

GISMYS View Post

Yes! Now you have no excuse!

I didn't have any excuse before your post (Ro 1:20).

Odë:hgöd View Post

Jonah 1:17 . . Yhvh provided a great fish to swallow Jonah, and Jonah was inside the fish three days and three nights....

Nineveh repented. What will America do? Is 18:2

TomL View Post

The catching up of believers transpires after the resurrection of those that are Christ's...

They precede us. We meet them in the air (1 Cor. 15:52; 1 Thess. 4:13, 14, 16).

simplicio View Post

And just what is the correct ba'al for the former Mrs. Trump?

Mrs. Trump lives down the street in a hut. She will be former (your word) when the Donald dies (Rom. 7:2, 3).

“I prefer clarity to agreement.” ~ Dennis Prager

Many Christians argue that they are not bound by the Old Testament laws…

When did God nail do not murder, do not commit adultery to the cross?

…[T]he release from the law occurred at the cross.

Mal 4:4-6, Mt 24:14

See:

Lordship

simplicio replied

Cool another end times allusion. Hmm.

I always confuse tall and smooth of skin with ugly giant bags of mostly water.

Rapture (The Catching Away)

halotop replied

Serpent dove, do you mean to suggest that these verses should be interpreted literally?...100% literal interpretation of 100% of the Bible creates fragile, dogmatic theology and prevents dialogue with the text.

You mean God doesn't have feathers? Ps 61:4. Thank you ever so.

See:

Hermeneutics

TomL View Post

[What is the day of the Lord?]

A bad time (Am 5:18).

Revelation 12 Daily Interview with Tribulation Now Radio l September 23 2017 Alignment Pt 1, Pt 2, Pt 3 Parable of the Vineyard

Reply to Informed Christians

Clarke conjectures that Paul linked the rapture with the Feast of Trumpets (1 Co 15:52).  God didn’t say:  be on the grape watch, be on the fig watch, have oil in your lamp and spare oil on the side and a coupon to Grease Monkey.  

See:

Appointed to Hope: The Bridegroom Has Not Tarried  

Which Way Did He Go? ~ Bugs Bunny  

Reply to Kelly

…I do not believe that the Trump of God is a man-made horn blown on Rash Hashanah.

Rosh Hashanah is not a term which is used in scripture. For a Jew, "at the last trump" refers to a feast day--The Feast of Trumpets--no one knows the day or hour. Re 12:1-3 may connect Ge 3:15 to Is 66:7, etc.

...If feast days is what you want to focus on then I suggest you learn the names of them.

I suggest you learn your bible. "...It was not until about the second century C.E. that the holiday acquired the name Rosh HaShanah, which first appeared in the Mishnah. Before then, however, the day had many other designations. The oldest name, found in the Torah (Numbers 29:1) is Yom T’ruah (Day of Sounding the Shofar). Two other names, undoubtedly reflecting Babylonian influence, were Yom HaZikaron (Day of Remembrance) and Yom HaDin (Day of Judgment)..." Full text:

Please consider that When you go around saying " for those who have eyes to see and ears to hear" you are making a big statement. Humble yourself and study.

The watchmen have been studying the Re 12:1-2 sign for some time. They also watch for the false teachers who would point you away from it like Valles. The sign is great (Re 12:1-2). Grapes and figs--not so great.

Study why it’s there and what it may mean (Re 1:1).

I take it you are young so I want to encourage you to keep reading and pray.

Argument from age Eph 4:14

Hey I'm glad your [sic] doing some research now. Its cool that you didn't understand Rosh Hashanah…

Proof please (Eph 4:14).

Reply to 1FourYeshua

Note of interest: This may be where some people get their understanding that Revelation 12 is not a mid-trib chapter but rather the beginning...

It may kick it all off --rapture, then beginning of tribulation.  

Reply to Teral

The Lord’s return is not based on “the next cycle” of the “black star”. The Day of the Lord is the start of the Great Tribulation which lasts for 7 years. You said “we don’t have warning signs”. Yes we do (Re 12:1-3) which you’ve been pointing views away from (2 Pe 2:1). We didn’t ask for a sign. We weren’t looking for a sign—we got one anyway.

“This time it [crossing event] happens before the sun turns dark.”

You claim to have science on your side. The science says that the sun has been turning dark (not that that is necessarily a fulfillment of prophecy yet).

“Nobody sees other than Paul...”

Paul wasn’t permitted to reveal what he saw regarding end times. It hadn’t been unsealed (Dan 9:24) yet (2 Co 12:4). Now, it is unsealed (Re 22:10).

"It's coming...like a thief in night...

Not to the believer (1 Thess 5:4).

“The time in-between [crossings] is the Day of the Lord…”

The greater destruction does not come until the second half of Daniel’s 70th week (3 ½ years into the tribulation). The church is long gone.

We escape the wrath (Re 3:10). Jesus doesn’t say, let’s get engaged; now go get beat the hell up, and then let’s have dinner.

“As a thousand years…as long as it takes…”

Jesus will rule and reign for a literal 1000 years. Man had his chance. We see what a bang up job he did.

The Lord is not waiting on a second crossing event to fulfill prophecy. Once the rapture occurs, the time is set, events and their duration are known. When the church is gone (Re 4), the rapture God returns to his plan for Israel.

“The Virgo prophecies will be fulfilled at the end of the age…”

The Re 12 sign may be fulfilled on 23 Sep 17.

"People who thought...the world was going to end in September..."

Strawman (Eph 4:14).

The world does not end. The church is removed and the tribulation begins.

"...'Wait a minute it didn't happen that way.' It's not going to happen that way."

We'll know how it happened on 24 Sep 17 (2 Pe 2:1).

[Survival group]

You tell your follows to solidity their relationships with other survival members (no mention of having a right relationship with Jesus). If they're still here, they were unbelievers or make-believers. Make friends with these folks?

"All we can do is prepare for the threat that is in our face."

That would be my Lord returning with wrath. When he sees me, he will smile.

What will his expression be when he sees you? Rom. 2:5–8

afaithfulone4u View Post

You will have 40 days…to repent and turn to God once the sign from God being the eclipse on the 21st of August before the Door (Salvation through Christ) is shut, and all hell breaks loose.

Is this your, Thus sayeth the Lord prediction?

We are to be watching and knowing the signs.

We are not to be saying Thus sayeth the Lord (2 Pe 2:1).

Just the facts ma'am. Joe 2:31

Jeeper View Post

And after 41 days when things a carrying on as normal...

You have a crystal ball? Jas 4:15

"Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed." ~ Darth Vader

America View Post

Nope. Just the infallible record of failure on the part of Christians...

What does that have to do with Jesus' return for his bride?  2 Pe 3:4 

What does that have to do with the 100%-reliable failure of the prophecy in the OP?

He gave us his Thus sayeth the Lord moment on 18 Aug 17.

Reply to Valles

“And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring; men’s hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near.” Lk 21:25–28.

This is the Second Coming not the rapture. The church is caught up together to meet the Lord in the air (1 Thess 4:17). The rapture is not the Second Coming. The Second Coming is not the rapture.  

See:

The Truth About the Rapture: Part 3 Harpazo Rapturo

juglans1 View Post

... Harold Camping et al saved the world by their prayer requests and for postponing the rapture.

The Lord is returning right on time (2 Pe 3:3).

afaithfulone4u View Post

I never meant that everyone would be gone in 41 days... I said all hell will break loose.

Did God tell you this audibly? What if America repents? Jon 3:10

America View Post

[He gave us his Thus sayeth the Lord moment on 18 Aug 17. ] The Lord (re: author of the OP) is wrong, and we can know this with surety.

The Lord is right in all things. We have yet to see if our wannabe prophet is right about his prediction.

America replied

… Y'all do this all the time, and you never learn.

  I’ve never set a destruction date for America or rapture date.  Every generation has had a blessed hope—that’s a good thing. God is gracious.

simplicio replied

The woman clothed with the sun will do battle with the dragon.

She will run if she'd like to live (Re 12:14).

Who else might the woman clothed with the sun?

Ask Beyonce (2 Chr. 36:16).

harry View Post

[Predictions 40 days to Yom Kipper]

...[W]hen people say " God bless America". I wonder, why would He?

Are you even going to give us the 40 days to repent?

Winman View Post

I took this photo of the eclipse from Torrington, Ct. at peak around 2:40 PM EST. Link

I took this one.

harry View Post

[Office of prophet] He might be a prophet in the world.

B. The Unifier (4:7–16): The work of Christ brings all these things together.
1. His gifts to believers (4:7–11)
a. When these gifts were given (4:7–10): It was after his ascension.
b. What these gifts were (4:11)
(1) Apostleship (4:11a)
(2) Prophets (4:11b)
(3) Evangelists (4:11c)
(4) Pastors and teachers (4:11d)
2. His goal for believers (4:12–16)
a. That they be equipped (4:12)
b. That they be mature (4:13)
c. That they be settled (4:14–16)

Willmington, H. L. (1999). The Outline Bible (Eph 4:6–16). Wheaton, IL: Tyndale House Publishers.

junkyardboy replied

[I]n the OT if one claimed 'thus saith the Lord' and failed he would be stoned…

Ps 11:3

Truth7t7 View Post

...The false teaching of Jesus Christ returning on a white horse...

“Re 6:2…[T]his is an imitation of Christ, this is one who pretends to be Christ, who comes forth.

We are moving today in the direction of a world dictator. More and more is this true. All the nations of the world are disturbed. Lawlessness abounds, and governments are not able to control as they should. This is all preparing the way for the coming of one who is going to rule.” McGee, J. V. (1991). Thru the Bible commentary: The Prophecy (Revelation 6-13) (electronic ed., Vol. 59, p. 40). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

Bob Carabbio View Post

...Eschatology is nothing more that another term for "rank speculation"...

Is that all the thought that you're going to put into it? You're going with that? 1 Thess 5:4

You can put all the thought into it that you want…

Image he gets here and you didn’t even bother to open his 66 loves letters to you. Not the position I want to be in.

...If you know what's going to happen, that by all means let us know. We'll add your opinion to the pile.

That will come up again (Re 20:11).

Josheb View Post

[Question for dispies] Thank you very much for the brief and concise answer to the question asked.

Are you really back at the: pre-trib, mid-trib, post trib debate when the Re 12:1-2 sign is appearing in 32 days? 2 Pe 2:1

GISMYS View Post

Church pastors, give people warning so that they have time to get ready to meet Jesus!

It's a shame that they are not doing this.

...Very near rapture!

I agree (1 Co 5:7).     

Rod.ney View Post

Christ hands the Kingdom over in His New Creation...

The Babylonian kingdom is put down when he stands on the mount of Olives (Zech 14:4).

We give thanks to you, Lord God Almighty, the One who is and who was, because you have taken your great power and have begun to reign (Re 11:17).

afaithfulone4u View Post

...[H]ow will His wrath be shown unto man?

It's stored up (Rom. 2:5-8); so, I'm guessing--pretty bad.

inertia View Post

I see. So, Never A Straight Answer was right…...

About what? Dropping bacteria (Paenibacillus xerothermodurans) on us during the eclipse?

Never say never…

Now that can deal with that incoming asteroid. Think they’ll try to move one of those out the way or will they just run for their rat holes?

bessyboo View Post

[Re 12:1-2 sign] Thousands upon thousands are seeking and learning...Yes, knowledge is advancing greatly.

It is.

Your watchmen shall lift up their voices,
With their voices they shall sing together;
For they shall see eye to eye
When the Lord brings back Zion.
Break forth into joy, sing together,
You waste places of Jerusalem!
For the Lord has comforted His people,
He has redeemed Jerusalem (Is 52:8-9).

TomL View Post

Answers in Genesis addresses this and it is not favorable...

Guess they're going to need the Holy Spirit (John 14:26).

Reply to Valles

I hope you're not waiting for the grape harvest--wrong harvest.

VeggieTales: We Are The Grapes of Wrath

JDS View Post

No Earthly Reign of Jesus Christ? Are You Sure?

He begins to rule and reign at the mid-point of Daniel's 70th week (Re 11:17), Second Coming/Atonement, and his reign continues to Tabernacles/New Jerusalem comes out of heaven.

JDS replied:

…[D]id Jesus reign over the house of Jacob when he came the first time to the earth…[?]

But upon mount Zion shall be deliverance, and there shall be holiness; and the house of Jacob shall possess their possessions [Obad. 17].

“But upon mount Zion shall be deliverance.” Salvation is to be offered upon Mount Zion for the world. That is where it is offered to you and me today. The Lord Jesus came and died on Golgotha for you and me. He is coming back to this earth again. Although we are told that at that time His feet shall stand on the Mount of Olives, He will be coming into Jerusalem, and He will, I believe, rule from the top of Mount Zion.

“And there shall be holiness.” There is no holiness there today. I have been on Mount Zion half a dozen times, and I have not found any holiness there. They are just as far from God there as they are over in the Arab section of the old city of Jerusalem. There is no holiness there today, but there shall be holiness when the Lord Jesus reigns.

“And the house of Jacob shall possess their possessions.” I like this expression. They are not possessing their possessions today. They are in the land—that’s true. They have a nation—that’s true. They’ve returned to the land, but they have not returned to God, and as a result they do not possess their possessions. There is a great deal of difference between having a possession and possessing it. McGee, J. V. (1991). Thru the Bible commentary: The Prophets (Amos/Obadiah) (electronic ed., Vol. 28, p. 140). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

TomL View Post

What right do you have to break off the seventieth week of Daniel's prophesy...

The 70th week begins after the church is raptured. God returns to his plans for Israel. It's not about us. It's about them.

SethProton View Post

[Zech 13 discussion in bible study]

“[W]e saw in chapter 12 that in “that day” God would pour out His Spirit upon the people of Israel. The prophet Joel spoke of that also. It is at this time that the “fountain” will be opened to them, which will be when they realize the fact that Christ was crucified for them. We have seen that they are going to look upon Him. Remember that this is God’s Word, and He puts it very definitely, “They shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him.” It is going to be a real Day of Atonement for these people when Christ comes the second time. They are going to be greatly moved, and the Spirit of God will remove the veil from their eyes.” McGee, J. V. (1997). Thru the Bible commentary (electronic ed., Vol. 3, p. 980). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

The Jews will have 20/20 vision at the mid-point (atonement) when Jesus steps on the mount of Olives. This is his second coming—not the rapture. We would have departed 3 ½ years prior to that. 3 ½ years after that is tabernacles—he reigns for 1000 years.

SethProton View Post

...We are just a few weeks away from beginning Mathew.

...When you get to: David the king begot Solomon by her who had been the wife of Uriah (Mt 1:6)--do not fail to mention that David stole Uriah’s wife and God stated Mt 1:6 correctly. People like to make it up as they go along; but, God won't allow it.

TomL View Post

Can you show me where in his prophesy Daniel says that?

Dan 9

"b. The nature (9:25-27): These years will fall into three categories:
(1) First period, 49 years, during which Jerusalem will be rebuilt (9:25)
(2) Second period, 434 years, at which time the Messiah will be crucified (9:26)
(3) Third period, 7 years, a reference to the coming Great Tribulation (9:27)" Willmington, H. L. (1999). The Outline Bible (Da 9:24-27). Wheaton, IL: Tyndale House Publishers.

davidbrainerd replied

How is it a good possibility?

Ask the Holy Spirit (Ro 8:14). The dead in Christ rise first; so, we know that Baptists will precede us (1 Thess 4:16 [Geraci])...

afaithfulone4u View Post

[Jesus’ return] …[M]any Christians are making the same error, expecting a gentle Lamb that accepts everyone no matter what sinful lifestyle they continue in.

He’s got a smile for me --not the same for night crawlers...I mean earth-dwellers (Stegeman).

For the Lord is a God of recompense; he will surely repay (Je 51:56).

GISMYS View Post

Jesus is about to return for those looking for Him…

Those with oil in their lamps are watching (Re 3:3).

Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth (Rev. 3:10).

We're in the team picture (Mt 24:34).

GISMYS View Post

[When the fig tree blossoms, Israel is reborn]

It's interesting...

TribulationSigns View Post

[Israel, fig tree, interesting] ...[Y]ou got wrong Israel.

State my position on Israel (Eph 4:14).

TribulationSigns View Post

[State my position on Israel (Eph 4:14).] ...Your position is with wrong Israel.

What do I think about Israel and the fig tree? Is 66:8. Do tell (Eph 4:14). Even I'm interested to know at this point.

Truther11 Seeker replied

To those with eyes to see and ears to hear, The Star of Bethlehem during the birth of Jesus Christ, the 3 hour total solar eclipse during the Crucifixion of Jesus Christ (the longest total solar eclipse on record is only 7 mins 28 secs), and the Great Star devouring 4 other stars during the birth of Abraham. These are all rare and great signs in the heavens heralding equally rare and great biblical events.

Truly I tell you the Lord wills us to look up to the heavens for His signs, because the sun, moon, and stars were created for signs and seasons (Gen1:14). And we know that seasons means appointed times of the Lord.

For why would our Heavenly Father send us the Holy Spirit and prophets (John 14:26), show us heavenly signs (Gen 1:14), and reveal to us visions and dreams (Acts 2:17), if He did not want us to know when it is going to happen?

Many discount the dreams and visions. I don’t. The prophet Joel said that they would occur and Peter reaffirmed that. The Holy Spirit has been being poured out since that time..

The Feast of Trumpets, the only one among the 7 feasts that does not have an exact starting time. This feast begins when the new moon is sighted and this has a slight variable time to it. In short, the Feast of Trumpets is the Feast of unknown day or hour (remember Mark 13:32?)…

Even though we know based on software when the moon is new. The Jews are old-school. It takes two witnesses to confirm that they’ve seen a sliver of the moon.

slamdunker View Post

There is not a single scripture that says the church will be taken up before the tribulation.

1 Thess 5:9

God does not destroy the righteous with the wicked (Ge 18:25).

TribulationSigns View Post

[Mormon 'I believe' vid (2 Pe 3:3)]

Life as you've known it is over. Is 35:4

Picard is Assimilated by the Borg - Star Trek the Next Generation

afaithfulone4u View Post

If all souls will be tested to take the mark of the beast…

Souls who have been left after the rapture will be tested. The bride, the church and tribulation saints are two different people groups.

…[T]hen wouldn't every soul need to be alive today?

People die.

So what about those who just passed on yesterday, or for the last 2,000yrs. [ago], how did they get tested…?

Those who have died before us were tested by: difficult demands (Gen. 12:1, 2), severe trials (Job 1:6-22), prosperity of the wicked (Ps. 73:1-28) and hardships (2 Cor. 11:21-33). Thomas Nelson Publishers. (1996). Nelson’s quick reference topical Bible index (p. 612). Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers. …[I]f you believe that it is some future or soon to be chip...

Chip, mark, will, etc. An angel will warn tribulation saints (Re 14:9-10).

TomL View Post

[God does not destroy the righteous with the wicked (Ge 18:25).] God's wrath is one thing experiencing tribulation another...

Right. Christian persecution has gone on since the church was conceived (1 Thess. 2:15). The Great Tribulation is different (Re 6-18).

TomL View Post

Had these not experienced tribulation: Re 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal…...

The body of Christ, his bride, is raptured prior to the opening of the seals. Those who were not in Christ at the rapture will go through the tribulation.

GISMYS View Post

We see a ratcheting up of hatred toward anything Christian, moral, or conservative.

Of course. That’s been going on for some time (2 Thess 2:3).

GISMYS View Post

Why do we not hear a national call to pray for the people of Texas and all our country?

Donald Trump is not a Christian. Maybe he'll get saved and go in the rapture. Then, you're left with a CathOlic (Jud 11).

GISMYS View Post

President Trump is a Christian...

Child-killing (Pr 8:36) serial adulterers (Ex 20:14)are not Christians. He has many Christians praying for him; however, so maybe he’ll get saved. Maybe you all would elect Obama again.

TomL View Post

'Fraid not.  There is no rapture until the dead in Christ are raised…

Strawman (Eph 4:14). 

Hemi View Post

...[M]an made doctrines like John Darby's rapture…

Do you mean the apostle Paul? 1 Thess. 4:16, 17

See:

Conservative Scholars Agree: The Male Child Is The Church

harry View Post

[We aren’t Babylon. Babylon is Babylon.] Like Babylon!

We, who take the bible seriously, don’t go around accusing America of being Babylon. 

“Specifics Bob.” ~ Bob, Phenomenon    

harry View Post

Like Babylon corrupt also like Nineveh!

Nineveh repented. 

GISMYS View Post

Jesus expects believers to know the time we live in by us watching.

Of course (Heb 10:25).

See:

Sheep Only Listen to Their Shepherd's Voice

Hemi View Post

If you believed Ephesians 4:14 then you would reject...date setters who have fooled you…

Proof please (Eph 4:14).  

Hemi View Post

Your posts prove you follow strange and various doctrines...

You're projecting again (Eph 4:14).

Reply to Valles

Yet, Jesus said not.

Jesus said that no man knows the day or hour (an idiom for the Feast of Trumpets) prior to his ascension.  

He gave it [Re 12-1-2 sign] as time markers…

...Those who do not go in the rapture will never be known as Jesus’ bride, his church.  Their best chance after the rapture, if they are able to overcome the strong delusion, is to be martyred for their faith.  All tribulation saints will die in those 3 ½ years prior to the Lord’s Second Coming... 

They’ll say this dead theologian here….I didn’t care what they had to say.  There are only two people that I care about [Jesus, John].  What did they say about this sign?

To understand the Book of Revelation, one must understand the Book of Daniel.  You’ll believe the prophets (Isaiah, Micah, etc.) or you will not (Acts 26:27).

John heard about this sign more than once…

...The sealed prophecy in Daniel had not been opened when Jesus spoke.  It was opened and given in Revelation (Re 1:1-2). In Daniel sealed (or Jesus lied) [Dan 9:24]--in John revealed (Re 22:10)...

He [John] might have speculated about that [alignment]…

John didn’t speculate.   He saw.

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him [Jesus] to show His servants [John and others]—things which must shortly take place. And He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John, who bore witness to the word of God, and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, to all things that he saw (Re 1:1–2).

He [John] would be shown more specifically what happened…

John was not restating Isaiah 7:14.  What had been sealed in Daniel (Dan 9:24) was now being unsealed (Re 22:10).

He was close in the assumptions with the sun…

The revelation from God.  He sent—he signified it by his angel unto his servant John (Re 1:1).  No assumption.  John wrote what he saw (Re 1:2).

...You’ve tried a:  counterfeit dragon, counterfeit birth, counterfeit crown and counterfeit moon (2 Pe 2:1).

TribulationSigns View Post

What is the Hope of National Israel?

It will get bad for 3 1/2 years and then it will get better for them.

davidbrainerd View Post

...[T]he promises made to Israel were rescinded when they killed Christ.

You didn't?

Jake1254 View Post

Is God a promise breaker?

If he breaks his promises for Israel, I have no reason to believe he'll keep his promises to me. He is faithful and true.

davidbrainerd View Post

[Jews] ...[T]hey keep disobeying....

You haven't?

TribulationSigns View Post

[davidbrainerd quote: [T]hey killed Christ.] Okay.

Move over Sophocles (Ingraham).  

See: 

What is replacement theology / supersessionism?

davidbrainerd View Post

[Disobedience] Not as a nation...

Did you belong on that cross? 

Is the punishment for sin a cross?

For the wages of sin is death (Ro 6:23a). 

It's a yes or no question. Did you belong on that cross? 

davidbrainerd View Post

I hold to the book of Hebrews' theory of the atonement...

The answer is yes--both you and I belonged on that cross. Jesus died the death that you and I deserve.

Anti-Semites are Satanic. 

Reply to Parable of the Vineyard

Lukewarm stays (Re 3:16). Hot goes. I’m feelin' hot, hot, hot Ti 4:8, Re 3:3

Truth7t7 View Post

An earthly Millennium Is 100% impossible, as Jesus Christ returns to dissolve the existing heavens and earth by his fire in judgment, 2 Peter 3:10-13

The earth is made new before the Millennium (Is 24:20).

TomL View Post

The rapture is after the resurrection of those that are Christ’s…

The dead first, us afterward (1 Thess. 4:16, 17). We are the main barley harvest. If trib saints are able to make it through the tribulation for 3 1/2 years (good luck with a strong delusion ), then they are the corners or the gleanings of the barley harvest. If they can refrain from taking the mark of the beast (your loved one's fingers being chopped off before you if you do in fact love anyone ) then, they will go home to be with the Lord when the two witnesses lay down their lives on Passover 28 Mar 21 (Re 6:10).

TomL View Post

...We were talking about tribulation not God's wrath directed against the church...

The church is not appointed to wrath (1 Thess 5:9). His wrath is poured out after the first 3 1/2 years of the tribulation. By the mid-point of the tribulation all trib saints have died. Those who remain beyond this point have taken the mark of the beast. When they experience God's wrath, they'll wish they could die; but cannot (they thought taking the mark was such a bright idea). Satan duped them in an age of grace, he duped them again in the tribulation. There's no untaking the mark. God's wrath is for these earth dwellers.

TomL View Post

... The issue is the tribulation...

The tribulation makes up the first half of Daniel's 70th week. 

slamdunker View Post

When the Rapture Comes, "armageddon" outta here...

Armageddon occurs in the last half of the tribulation (the first half of Daniel’s 70th week) when the Lord is protecting Israel during the 1290 days.  This is Jesus treading the winepress.  

Rod.ney replied

…The resurrected Christ ( Acts 2:29-32 ) will in fact reign for 1000 years on this old sin stained earth, before He creates the new one and new heaven…

The earth is uninhabitable. No, the new heaven and the new earth are created prior to the Millennium (New Jerusalem on earth 1335 days after the mid-point of the tribulation). Sinners are not permitted into New Jerusalem. The Day of Atonement is fulfilled at the end of the Millennium when the final harvest occurs. No sin follows that atonement.

Reply to Matthew Crawford

“Serpent Dove respectfully disagree.  God is coming for those who believe in Jesus.  Not on how well they have been walking with him.”

Men are saved by grace though faith (Eph 2:8-9).  If one is born again (or as Clarke conjectures is conceived), he is going in the rapture (Jn 3:7). “It's not a works based faith.  If that was the case none of us would go…”

If I’m counting on any work to get me to heaven, I’m going to hell (Heb 9:22).

The Laodicea church is an apostate church (Re 3:14–22). 

GISMYS View Post

Time and the World is about to change and never be the same again.

There will be a new dispensation after the rapture of the church. The antichrist cannot be revealed until the restrainer (the church [salt and light]) is gone (2 Thess 2:6). Those who remain (salt who’d lost their flavor [Mt 5:13]) will have a more difficult time than those who lived in a time of grace (Mt 24:21). 

GISMYS View Post

[Hurricane Irma] When you face 185mph winds will you want God's help and protection?

It rains on the just and the unjust (Mt 5:45 [rain usually a good thing]). What’s your point? That everyone in the path of the hurricane is a reprobate?

“I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish.” Lk 13:3 

TomL View Post

…[T]hat text shows Christ reigns now…

The god of this world is in control now. Christ begins to take all of that back at the mid-point of the tribulation and on into the Millennial kingdom (Re 11:17).

The Jews recognize him at the mid-point (Re 10:4); but, they still have another 3 ½ years to go during his wrath being poured out on the earth. They are protected under his wings.

Jews and Nephilim will populate the Millennium. They are not permitted to enter into New Jerusalem even though their names are up there. They’ll become jealous.

TribulationSigns View Post

You just lacks spiritual discernment on the purpose for Satan binding.

How many rounds can you take Satan in? Eph 4:14

TomL View Post

The new heaven and New Earth follows after the millennium...

So he fixes up the earth twice? Sort of like a little patch work?

TomL View Post

He had a physical body.

He was raised bodily.

Prior to his ascension (Jn 20:17), he walked and talked with others. When believers receive their glorified bodies in the rapture, they may also get a chance to be seen by others (1 Cor. 15:51-53).

GISMYS View Post

[HurricaWe know that God does not listen to sinners. He listens to the godly person who does His will.

There are Christians in Texas and Florida doing his will.

"Unless you repent you will all likewise perish.” Lk 13:3b

davidbrainerd View Post

The day of disappointment is only 16 days away...

For you. For us it is blessed hope. 

Woe to you who desire the day of the Lord!
For what good is the day of the Lord to you?
It will be darkness, and not light.
It will be as though a man fled from a lion,
And a bear met him!
Or as though he went into the house,
Leaned his hand on the wall,
And a serpent bit him!
Is not the day of the Lord darkness, and not light?
Is it not very dark, with no brightness in it? Am 5:18-20

Reply to Begley

Something biblical’s going on! Re 12:1-2

Reply to Big-Foot

Will God allow Big-Foots to be raptured?

Dead birds, dead cow, dead fish…! Hos 4:1-3

Reply to Kar Giver

Scottie has done great work, but he's assigned the birth out of Israel in the sign to be the rapture.

The word is harpazo (Re 12:5). 

Reply to Stacy Burton

Is this movie made for the lost world?

Order your glucosamine and chondroitin lost world—every knee will bow, every tongue will confess (Ro 14:11).  

Reply to Wolf Pack

Will God forgive me if I stop my homosexual ways? I had close to 2,000 homosexual encounters since I was little, I am 25 age now and I'm ready to be raptured by God.

Of course he will.  God loves you.  You need only ask him to save you (Ro 10:13).  See you in the sky! Jn 8:36  

Reply to War Face

99% of the people, 99 red balloons, that sounds like numeric symbolism…

But can you sing it in German?  We’ll get to know German by 24 Sept 17.    Cewl!

Reply to tia sprague

I'm ready father.  I’m so ready!

Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven (Mt 16:17).  Keep savin’ ‘em, Abba.   

Reply to “Roger Waters”

Don’t you have a little baa baa in ya?  Abaaaaa Father put that in you.  Tell Pastor Begley you’d like to be saved (Ro 10:9).  

davidbrainerd View Post

Eschatology-mongers.

Hey, hey, hoe,   hoe, eschatology mongers got to go (Re 12:1-2).

Reply to Sister Liberty

Look up! Our redemption draws nigh. Even so come King Jesus come!

I’m playin’ my country records backwards—getting’ back all Satan stole from me (Lk 10:19).

Reply to Valles:

There is [sic] a lot of opinions out there that contradict what Jesus said…

You’re projecting again (Eph 4:14).  

[Rapture vs. Second Coming] When the sign of the Son of man does appear, that’s a signal to the world that it has 1260 days and that they need to prepare the way because the Son of man who the sign is about is about to come back…

False (2 Pe 2:1).    Souls who remain on earth after the rapture (should it occur) are:  Jews (who will be enslaved and tortured) or tribulation saints (who will be martyred for their faith).  Too late to prepare the way when you’re being hunted by Mad Max.

The sign of the Son of man is about the Son of man…

Move over Sophocles (Ingraham). 

There is nothing new under the sun (Eccl 1:9).  Jewish prophecy is made up of patterns—what happened before happens again.   

The Book of Revelation is God, the Father revealing to God, the Son to John what will take place (Re 1:1).  It was given after the Lord’s ascension. 

[Seals] Even though time is short, we can get an understanding of how can this happen in such a short time… 

No seal has been opened yet.  Travail is not seal.  Seal is not travail (Re 12:2).  Your having seals printed on a chart does not mean that any seal has been opened or will be opened prior to the rapture of the church.   

Seals are opened after the departure of the church when the Day of the Lord begins.

See: 

Order of Events 2 Thess 2 Missler  

They’ll say He was talking about an idiom for that day…

No man knows the day or hour is a Jewish idiom for the Feast of Trumpets (Mk 13:32, Mt 24:36).  It would take two witness to observe a sliver of the moon and report back to the Sanhedrin. 

Even though we have technology today which tells us when the new moon will occur, Jews don’t use software.  They get out there and observe for themselves.  They must see a sliver of the moon. 

When they report to us, we report to you and you decide.    

[Presumably speaking for Jesus] You do know the day and hour when I’m not coming…This is when I’m not coming…You’ll know more so about when I’m not coming than when I am coming.

Not what the Lord said (Prov. 30:5, 6).  That’ll come up again (Rev. 22:11, 18, 19).    

But of that day and hour knows no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only (Mt 24:36).  Jesus said this prior to his ascension.  Keep reading.  The Book of Revelation adds information.  Daniel sealed the vision and prophecy (Dan 9:24) John unsealed it (Re 22:10). 

Jesus was specifically telling his disciples when he was not coming and that was at the sign of the Son of man… 

The Re 12:1-2 sign is called a great wonder (Re 12:1).  You say don’t look at it (Re 3:3).  The watchmen have said look at it. 

“I prefer clarity to agreement.” ~ Dennis Prager  

Who’s coming?  The Son of man. 

The Lord is not stepping foot on the earth until he’s taken his bride to safety (Is 26:20).  After the rapture of the church--after 3 ½ years—the Lord steps his foot on the mount of Olives (Zech 14:4). 

 ...[Do] not pay attention to secret raptures or Christ coming secretly… 

“Rapture, the—translation of saved at Christ’s return.  Not all will sleep (1 Cor. 15:51; 1 Thess. 4:15, 17), dead in Christ will rise (1 Cor. 15:52; 1 Thess. 4:13, 14, 16), living to be transformed (1 Cor. 15:51–53), saints caught up (1 Thess. 4:16, 17).  Thomas Nelson Publishers. (1996). Nelson’s quick reference topical Bible index (p. 519). Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers. 

You say don’t pay attention (Re 3:3).  The watchmen have said pay attention (Ro 8:14).   

“I prefer clarity to agreement.” ~ Dennis Prager 

[Presumably speaking for the Lord] When I do come, it’s gonna be obvious to the whole world...It’s going to be the direct opposite of a secret rapture… 

The rapture is not obvious to the world.  The Second Coming is obvious to the whole world. 

See: 

 The Truth About the Rapture: Part 3 Harpazo Rapturo  

Seals one through five are going to happen quickly… 

Are we supposed to believe that we, the bride, are already experiencing the seals? 1 Thess 5:9 

Seal six is a result of what happens in the first four…

Do you mean five seals prior?  No, seal six is earth changing.  No one is going to miss seal six occurring.  Seal six does not open until the mid-point of the tribulation.  Seals one through five are opened after the rapture in the first 3 ½ years.  Then, seal six opens at the mid-point of the tribulation for those who took the mark of the beast.  All of those people that you had told not to watch are martyred during the first half of the tribulation.    

All these events that are on the horizon, they are going to take a couple days… 

If you were right that we’d see all of these seals and the earth would be uninhabitable.   No one would make it to the rapture.  

We have to pad our understanding… 

You would “pad” your bad eschatology (2 Pe 2:1) right up to the rapture.     

Truth7t7 View Post

Two more weeks for your September 23, 2017 false prophecy to fail.

I don’t make prophetic statements (e.g. Thus sayeth the Lord) [Eph 4:14].  The watchmen warn  (2 Pe 3:1-13) that a sword is coming (Eze 33:3).  

What ya gonna do then?  Have another vision?

I have lots of dreams/visions (Joe 2:28). Which one are you talking about? Eph 4:14, 2 Pe 2:1  

TomL View Post

What possesses one to pick a date for the rapture of the church?

You're projecting again (Eph 4:14). Matt. 4:24

TomL View Post

[Matt. 4:24] To be projecting I would have had to be date setting…

You asked “What possesses one…?”

A Christian cannot be demon-possessed (1 Jn 4:4). The spirit of God has been speaking to the watchmen for some time now.

You do not believe that they are hearing from God. I do. Ro 3:4, 8:14, Mt 12:32

"I prefer clarity to agreement." ~ Dennis Prager

Reply to watchman001

Revelation 12 is supposed to happen before the rest of the chapters?

I wondered:  Why am I seeing this Revelation 12 sign in the sky when I thought that Revelation 12 came after Revelation 11 and Revelation 11 came after Revelation 10?

If Clarke’s conjecture is proven true, then perhaps Re 12 is a parenthetical chapter.

See:

Parenthetical chapters

Seals aren’t opened until we’re gone (2 Thess 2). 

Jupiter (which may represent the church) is being “birthed” today; so, all eyes are on Jupiter. Israel’s travails may start (Re 12:2).  Prinloo (God’s Roadmap to the End) thinks that Jupiter might even literally be impacted in some way before the rapture to add a compound fulfillment of Ge 3:15.  It wouldn’t be unlike God to put that visual in the sky for us.  Prinloo’s got a live feed watching Jupiter; but NASA keeps on putting up bunny ear shadows to mess with us.    

Truth7t7  View Post

Will Jesus Christ Return In Fire And Judgement...

He's gettin' there. The rapture of the church is the next event on God's prophetic calendar.

Hemi View Post

The kingdom of heaven is like...

Let you knew when we get there.  May be soon.  

GISMYS replied

Unbelievers will be left behind on rapture day…

Unbelievers and make-believers.  Keep praying.  We’re not on vacation yet.

“What’s vacation?” ~ Forrest Gump

GISMYS replied

Who more than Satan wants to argue and fight against the rapture (catching up) of all believers?

The bride will be a rare gem, indeed --like brides on earth (Luke 16:18). . In our culture where serial adultery is commonplace, men don’t know—or care—what a real groom or bride is (Ro 7:2,3).

TomL View Post

[What is the Day of the Lord?]

"...The Day of the Lord begins with judgment and moves on to the coming of Christ to establish His Kingdom here upon this earth." McGee, J. V. (1991). Thru the Bible commentary: The Prophets (Amos/Obadiah) (electronic ed., Vol. 28, p. 69). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

Reply to Valles

…Her [Mary’s] story would be the sign…

Do you means Jesus’ story?

That was a big event. 

Another big event may be coming soon (e.g. harpazo [Re 12:5]). 

Revelation 12 and 14 may kick off the rest of the events to occur on God’s prophetic calendar. 

Your viewers should be prepared to meet their maker (2 Pe 2:1) now--not in 1260 days (1 Co 15:52).

The sign of the Son of man…is going to be finishing on September 23rd…

The prophecy of Re 12:1-2 may be fulfilled on 23 Sept 17, Feast of Trumpets when the moon is ‘under her feet’ (Re 12:1) not before (Eph 4:14).  

He would be coming 1260 days after that sign…

Prior to 1260 days when the Lord stands on the mount of Olives, is the rapture of his church (Zech 14:4).  During those 3 ½ years all who remain (missed the rapture) will be murdered for their faith in the tribulation.

Letting the world know, it’s coming up.  Prepare ye the way…

One would already have had to have ‘prepared the way’ in his heart for the Lord to go in the rapture.  If he has not, then he will be left behind and enter into the tribulation. 

It [the Revelation 12 sign] tells us the events around it…

You’ve mentioned events for unbelievers and make-believers; but, you’ve failed to mention the most important event for the believer known as his blessed hope--the rapture (Tt 2:13).

[Presumably speaking for God] …Disciples, I want you to be looking for me before those [signs in the heavens] start….Expecting me before those start.

Proof please (Eph 4:14). 

Do you mean bride of Frankenstein expect him between 11 Sept 17 to 23 Sept 17 (Matt. 25:1–13)?  His bride may know her wedding date (Heb 10:25). 

…Because that’s when I’m coming for my servants to call them into the chamber.

Tick tock (Ro 3:4).

It’s [Revelation 12 sign] a signpost warning about events that come before it and after it.

Look before, look after all you’d like. 

When the moon is under her feet, it may be the fulfillment of Revelation 12:1-2 sign.

They understood what the last trump was.  It was about a Roman signal.

False (2 Pet. 2:1). When one says “at the last trump”—to any Jew, this means would mean the last, long shofar call (Tekiah Gedolah) on the Feast of Trumpets. Some believe that the rapture of the church will occur on a Feast of Trumpets. 

Paul used Roman pictures…

For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the (Tekiah Gedolah) trumpet of God: and the dead in Christ will rise first (1 Thessalonians 4:16). 

The main events dealing with the dragon and the heavens shaking are going to come right before the woman gives birth./p>

You would have your viewers believe that we are in the tribulation now.  The tribulation is not for the bride (1 Thess 5:9).   The tribulation will be unlike any other time on earth.  It’s not just a bad hair day:  For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be (Mt 24:21).

That will not be seen 11 Sept 17 to 22 Sept 17.  The Revelation 12:1-2 sign may indicate that it’s time to go soon.  

It is at this Revelation 12 sign when Messiah, Shiloh reasserts his power…

False (2 Pe 2:1).   After the rapture of the church, antichrist rises to power and asserts his power (2 Thess 2:1-4).

The Lord steps foot on the mount of Olives 3 ½ years later (Zech 14:4).  Anyone who believed you will have been martyred by that point.  

The kingdom of God is starting from this point…

False (2 Pe 2:1).  From the mid-point of the tribulation and into the millennial kingdom, the Lord begins to rule and reign (Re 11:17).

He’s also letting the world know…[presumably speaking for God] I will come down and set up my kingdom…

False (2 Pe 2:1).  The antichrist sets up his kingdom (2 Thess 2:4). 

He’ll be crushing the rebellion on earth before he comes…

False (2 Pe 2:1).  After the last tribulation saint is martyred on Passover of 2021, the ministry of the two witnesses will be finished.  They lay down their lives and trib saints who had waited under the alter go to be with the Lord.  The only remaining in habitants on the earth have taken the mark of the beast.  The sixth seal is opened and they are put down.  

afaithfulone4u View Post

1 John (KJV)

…[M]any will say Lord, Lord, meaning they claimed to love him, but they really hate the Word so he will not recognize them as part of his holy body.

It will all come out in the wash soon. 

They speak as of the world, and the world hears them. We are of God. He who knows God hears us; he who is not of God does not hear us. By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error (1 Jn 4:5–6).

Josheb replied

God is not sovereign if He has to destroy His creation to save His creation.

It’s his creation.  He can do with it what he’d like.  Those who need to die are going to die (Rev. 6:16, 17).

…It was argued God removes His elect but then some of those saints on earth during the millennium are also His elect…

Not yet, they aren’t.  The bride is hidden when destruction comes to the earth (Is 26:20).  

If those who missed the rapture would like to go to heaven, they’re going to have to lose their lives (Re 11:7).  

…They are not the ones in earthly bodies who got saved or got elected in time for the rapture.

We are elected because we chose God.  God chose us.  We chose him back (Ro 10:13).  This isn’t rocket science.

They too are God's children but they had to go through trial, tribulation, and destruction to become saints.

Many Calvinists will be left behind.  They’re going to find out that they weren’t so elite after all (2 Pe 2:1). 

God didn't remove His own before atrocities and destruction.

His body, his bride is removed (1 Thess 5:9).   The short bus folks had to do it their way.  Some people just have to learn the hard way.  It will be more difficult; but, that was their choice.

…[T]his idea that some people have to go through these trials, tribulations, suffering, tribulation, and destruction…

Every Christian is persecuted (2 Ti 3:12).   The tribulation is a time like no other (Mt 24:21).  It will begin after the church is removed from the world.

“If you do believe that the rapture is going to be on the 23rd, please send us a check empty out your bank account.  Send us a check for everything you have.  No, I’m only joking.  I don’t want to take advantage of gullible Christians....He [a Christian friend] knew I'd heard about this--this September 23rd thing....If he says it's valid , he loses his credibility....He says 'I'm not sure what to do about this....'  I said let's meet on the 24th...There’s a documentary...and they’ve interviewed the main guy behind the whole September 23rd, 2017 thing.” ~ Bob Enyart, End Times Leader Calls Bob about Rapture on Sept. 23rd Mt 6:24, 2 Pe 3:4, Mt 16:3

Reply to Begley

[Re 12:1-2] The revealing of the coming of the beast and his system…

See:

Order of Events 2 Thess 2 Missler  

Josheb replied:

God is not planning on destroying His own creation…   

Get into the ark of safety (Is 24:20, 2 Pe 3:10).

Josheb replied

Isaiah 42:20 doesn't say the earth is destroyed, only its rebellion…

Earth and earth-dwellers will be destroyed.

“This planet was made disposable by sin.” ~ John MacArthur

If you thought that you were still welcome to live on God’s planet after Passover of 2021 not in Christ, you were wrong.   

VI. The Sixth Seal (6:12–17)
A. What John feels (6:12a): A great earthquake strikes.
B. What John sees (6:12b–14)
1. The sun turns black, and the moon turns blood red (6:12b).
2. The stars fall (6:13) .
3. The sky rolls up like a scroll (6:14a).
4. Every mountain and island is removed from its place (6:14b).
C. What John hears (6:15–17)
1. The place (6:15b): The sound comes from the caves and among the rocks of the mountains.
2. The persons (6:15a): They include kings, warriors, rich and poor, slaves and free men.
3. The prayer (6:16–17): They all cry to be hidden from the wrath of the Lamb.

Willmington, H. L. (1999). The Outline Bible (Re 6:11–17). Wheaton, IL: Tyndale House Publishers.

Josheb replied

Creating a new heaven and earth does not necessarily entail destroying the planet…

Again, you’re going to have to not cling to this planet.  All earth-dwellers will die (Re 20:14).  It will be uninhabitable—which is why it’s made new.  You thought the god of this world got to hold on to this planet forever?  2 Pe 3:4.  We judge the angels (1 Co 6:3).  

Reply to Begley

Antichrist is going to make his move…It doesn’t mean he’s going to be revealed…

That is not our concern. The next event on God’s prophetic calendar is the rapture of the church.  The breaking news of the day—is the rapture.  The page 12 story under the fold is the Antichrist coming on the scene.  Watch  (Re 3:3).    

I believe this season we’re entering into…this season of seven years…

If you enter into that season (the great tribulation), then that will prove that you were not a believer.  Only Jews and tribulation saints remain after the rapture of the church (1 Thess. 4:16, 17).  

Reply to Blake Watson

Amen. Weird how he has suddenly become a tribulation saint wannabe.

Right.  We will be long gone when the abomination of desolation occurs.  That is when Jews will all of the sudden have 20/20 vision and know that they’ve been duped by the Antichrist.  They’ll all be running around to find a copy of their Book of Daniel and trust in the Lord at that point, be hidden under his wings, etc.

Serpent Dove—not a Jew.  When we’re gone, the Lord returns to his plans for Israel.  

Reply to God’s Gift

What we are going to receive is the fire of God…things that Jesus has in store for us.

False (Is 26:20, 1 Thess 5:9, Lk 21:36).

Mad Max and rape gangs are not a blessed hope (Tt 2:13, 1 Thess 4:18).    

Serpent Dove our bodies cannot enter heaven.  We must be changed beforehand. Remember, we shall be changed in a twinkling of an eye; so, it's not like we will be here stuck in fire. Our bodies are going to be changed.

Right.  But, Shadrach Meshach and Abednego were protected in the fire.  Persecution is not the Great Tribulation.  Every Christian experiences persecution (2 Ti 3:12).  The Great Tribulation will be unlike anything the world has seen (Mt 24:21).

There are no examples in scripture of God’s wrath being poured out on his people with the wicked.  His people are spared.  The Egyptian plagues for example affected the Egyptians but not the Hebrews.

The Egyptians will loathe to drink the water of the river (Ex 7:18).   

The river shall bring forth frogs abundantly, which shall go up and come into your house, into your bedroom, on your bed, into the houses of your servants, on your people, into your ovens, and into your kneading bowls. And the frogs shall come up on you, on your people, and on all your servants (Ex 8:3–4).

Swarms of flies on you and your servants, on your people and into your houses (Ex 8:21).

All the livestock of Egypt died; but of the livestock of the children of Israel, not one died (Ex 9:6).

I will send all My plagues to your very heart, and on your servants and on your people (Ex 9:14).

Hail struck throughout the whole land of Egypt, all that was in the field, both man and beast; and the hail struck every herb of the field and broke every tree of the field. Only in the land of Goshen, where the children of Israel were, there was no hail (Ex 9:25–26).  

The locusts went up over all the land of Egypt and rested on all the territory of Egypt (Ex 10:14)...There remained nothing green on the trees or on the plants of the field throughout all the land of Egypt (v. 15).  

There was thick darkness in all the land of Egypt three days. They did not see one another; nor did anyone rise from his place for three days. But all the children of Israel had light in their dwellings (Ex 10:22–23).  

The Lord struck all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh who sat on his throne to the firstborn of the captive who was in the dungeon, and all the firstborn of livestock (Ex 12:29).  

Reply to Valles

He told them that this same sign would be seen in the future…That sign is the sign of the Son of man.  That’s what it represents.

False (2 Pet. 2:1). Mt 24:30 refers to his second coming not the Revelation 12:1-2 sign.

We’re told what it would be…

False (2 Pet. 2:1).

“Then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven.” What is that sign? Again I will have to speculate. Back in the Old Testament, you remember, the nation Israel was given the glory, the Shekinah presence of God. No other nation or people has ever had that, nor does the church have it. The Shekinah glory rested over the tabernacle and later the temple at Jerusalem. But because of Israel’s sin, the Shekinah glory left the nation. When Christ came the first time, He laid aside, not His deity, but His prerogative of deity, His glory—although John says, “ … we beheld his glory …” (John 1:14), because there were times when it broke through. However, at His second coming, I believe that the Shekinah glory will hover over the earth before He breaks through, and that will be the “sign of the Son of man in heaven.”

“They shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.” This is His return to earth to set up His kingdom. McGee, J. V. (1991). Thru the Bible commentary: The Gospels (Matthew 14-28) (electronic ed., Vol. 35, p. 142). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

This event occurs 3 ½ years after the rapture of the church. 

[The sign] would tell the world that he would be coming after that…

False (2 Pet. 2:1).

“Mt 24:30 the sign of the Son of Man. I.e., the Son of Man Himself is the sign. The events described here precisely parallel the description in Dan. 7:13; Rev. 19:11–21. all the tribes of the earth will mourn. I.e., over their own rebellion. Israel in particular will mourn over their rejection of the Messiah (cf. Zech 12:10–12).” MacArthur, J., Jr. (Ed.). (1997). The MacArthur Study Bible (electronic ed., p. 1440). Nashville, TN: Word Pub.

You cannot change who that sign is about or the meaning…

Clarke conjectures that Is 66:8 and Re 12:1-2 are connected:  Can a country be born in a single day, or can a nation be brought forth in a single moment? Is 66:8  We will know if his conjecture is true soon.       

Shiloh (he to whom it belongs)…

The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be [Gen. 49:10].

“Until Shiloh come”—Shiloh is the ruler.

…Not only is Christ Shiloh, but also He is the One who will hold the sceptre. The sceptre of this universe will be held in nail–pierced hands. In the last part of verse 24 of this chapter we read that from God will come the Shepherd, the Stone of Israel. So this Shiloh is also a shepherd and a stone. When we get to Numbers 24:17 we will find that a Star is prophesied. Think of all that the coming of Christ means. He is the Seed promised to the woman and to the patriarchs. He is the Shiloh who brings rest. He is the King who holds the sceptre. He is the Shepherd who gave His life, and He is the Chief Shepherd who is coming someday. He is the Stone that the builders disallowed but who is now become the headstone of the corner. He is the Star, the bright and morning Star for His church. This is the line that went from Adam to Seth (after Abel was murdered). From Seth it went through Noah to Shem and to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and now to Judah. Friend, don’t miss this wonderful fact that God is moving according to a pattern and a program here. This is very important for us to see. McGee, J. V. (1991). Thru the Bible commentary: The Law (Genesis 34-50) (electronic ed., Vol. 3, pp. 165–166). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

Who has the right to be in that picture?

We are Christ’s body, joint heirs with him (Ro 8:17, Eph 3:6).  We are Christ’s bride, one with him (Eph. 5:22–32, 1 Pe 3:7). 

[Clarke conjecture] We presently hold the rod (Re 2:26-27).  She [Israel] brought forth a male child [Christ, his body (Ps 2:7-9, Re 2:26-28, 3:21)], who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne (Re 12:5).  We continue to rule and reign with him during the Millennium (Re 20:6).

See:

The Revelation 12 Sign- Who's it for? Weltner

Who [the church] should not be added to that picture…

Satan has the same complaint about us (Ge 9:6, Jn 8:44).  His complaints will not be heard much longer (Re 12:9, 22:11–14).   

We have no legal right to the scepter or the lawgiver….That title Shiloh does not belong to us.  We can’t just insert ourselves into whatever picture we want.

Anyone who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way, is a thief and a robber (Jn 10:1).

Don’t hate us because we’re beautiful (Eph 2:6, Re 19:7).

…[H]ow do we become the sons of God…?

Stop:  stealing, killing and destroying (Eccl 10:2, Jn 10:10).

Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Men and brethren, what shall we do?”

Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.” Ac 2:37–39. 

He is the child of the body….

[Clarke’s conjecture Re 12:1-2] She bore a male child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron. And her child was caught up [harpzo] to God and His throne (Re 12:5).  Jesus, the head (Eph. 1:22; Eph. 5:23; Col. 1:18) rose.  We, the body (Col. 1:24) rise (harpazo).

Signs are for appointed times (e.g. feast days). Ge 1:14.

We are not in a birth picture.

"Shall I bring to the point of birth and not give delivery?" says the Lord. Is 66:9

We are the child of the soul.

Men are:  body, soul and sprit.  You will live forever—somewhere—with a body fit for heaven or a body fit for hell.  Your choice.  

We have no right to being a king or a priest

And have made us kings and priests to our God; And we shall reign on the earth (Re 5:10).

We are not born with that [kings and priests].

Strawman (Eph 4:14).  

Reply to Watchman for that Great Day

Mayans…

Mayans? If they were so smart, why are they all dead?

Numbers are important and specific to a precise creator…

You can also get the numbers to tell you anything.  Less reading of chicken entrails and tea leaves and more study of God’s word (Ac 17:22).  Satan and his minions are doing everything they can to point individuals away from the Revelation 12:1-2 prophecy.

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If it's not a blood Moon, it's a prophecy merged with Egyptian lore…

The blood moons and Egyptian history may make sense soon.

Give me a break.

We’re still on duty (Jn 9:4).

…[Author of article cited] rightfully notes these are all just coincidental occurrences…

We are getting testimonies now from individuals who don’t even believe the bible; but, who find it interesting that a prophecy written 2000 years ago may be fulfilled on 23 Sept 17 (Re 12:1-2).

…[T]his guy invoked the mythical planet of Niburu (which science says is a hoax…

I don’t know anything about: Nibiru, Planet X, Black Star, etc. What I do know is seal six is going to devastate this planet. We’ll be long gone by then.

…[A]t least they get something right) Using Harvey to claim we're about to experience apocalypse…

We may in for a bumpy ride this coming week. But, then we should be outta here. There really is a light at the end of the tunnel for the Christian--and it’s not an oncoming truck.

God didn’t allow the Revelation 12:1-2 alignment to appear on the Feast of Trumpets in the heavens accidentally because he’s had his feet up in a recliner and sort of forgot to watch what was going on down here.

His people are awake (Heb 10:25).

…[I]s no different than claiming Harvey is a product of climate change.

Here’s what we know about Harvey. It was a hurricane. That’s all we know about Harvey. We don’t read chicken entrails and tea leaves to discover what God is telling us about two hurricanes (Ac 17:22) .

Biblical prophecy claims the world will end on Sept. 23…

Have you ever read your bible? Ge 8:22

[Fox News] Christian numerologists claim that the world will end on Sept. 23, 2017 as they believe a planet will collide with Earth. Link

Wormwood will impact the earth after the rapture of the church (Rev. 8:11). 

Reply to Valles

[Revelation 12 sign (Re 12:1-2)] A day which has so much significance to it…

The significance of a 2000 year old prophecy possibly being fulfilled.

When we look at the celestial sign ahead on September 23rd—the sign of the Son of Man.

False (2 Pet. 2:1). The Revelation 12:1-2 sign is not the sign of the Son of Man (Mt 24:30).

After the rapture of the church, the return of Christ to the earth occurs 3 ½ years later.  People should not be prepared for another sign pointing to 3 ½ years until his second coming.  People should be prepared to go in the rapture.  Unbelievers and make-believers will be left behind (Lk 21:36).

The sign of the Son of Man.  That part of that sign.

False (2 Pet. 2:1).   Two different things.  The rapture of the church is the next event to occur on God’s prophetic calendar.  The second coming occurs 3 ½ years later.  Those who are not raptured will never be called Christ’s bride (Re 21:9).     Bride (Re 12:11) -- tribulation saints (Re 13:7) — two different things. 

[Coiled up seals in graphic ] We’re already into progression of signs [seals] that scripture says would happen before…

False (2 Pe 2:1).    Seals 1-6 will not occur from today until Saturday no matter how hard to try to coil and squish them into your timeline.  Seals are not opened until the departure of the church.

People have the question—how can this all fit into the little window that we see?

Good question.  Your false window (2 Pe 2:1) gets smaller daily and your viewers have begun to notice. 

…We can’t wrap our mind around how it can happen so quickly.

That’s because seals 1-5 occur in the 3 ½ years after the rapture of the church.

World War III happens right before the sign appears…

The Revelation 12 sign (Re 12:1-2) is not the sign of the Son of Man [second coming].  

Christ is coming before any of the tribulation seals are opened.

Which is it? Your charts have had seals opening prior to “the sign”.   

What coming? There is a coming in the clouds (the rapture [1 Thess 4:17]) and there is a coming on the earth (second coming [Zech 14:4]).    

…Tribulation of those days…

False (2 Pe 2:1).  The tribulation does not begin until the church is removed.

See:

Order of Events 2 Thess 2 Missler  

There’s going to be no delay between seals, 1, 2, 3…6.  Two...three days.

No seal will be opened until after the removal of the church.  Seals 1-5 are opened in the first 3 ½ years of the tribulation (Is 26:20).  

[Study] It’s not to find out the day or the hour because we won’t know that…

Guess the writer of Hebrews didn’t know what he was talking about (Heb 10:25). 

davidbrainerd replied 9 more days...

For us, maybe (Heb 10:25).  1260 for you should we depart (1 Thess 5:7). 

ziggy33200 replied

[23 Sept 17, Feast of Trumpets] The rapture will not happen on that day…

I thought no man knew the day or hour (2 Pe 3:4, Re 3:3).

Reply to J*****n 

...[I]t...appeared to be the women...[a] representation of Old Testament Israel.

Yes, the woman represents Israel.  

...The moon… 

The moon is the seconds hand on a clock.  Once the moon passes below her feet, that is the fulfillment of the prophecy.  

[Harvest Bible Church, Denver sermon 17 Sept 17 no mention of Re 12:1-2 sign] …I am very cautious of worldly wisdom.  

The world has no clue that he’s coming (1 Thess 5:2).  The Magi/watchmen do (1 Thess 5:4).  Those claiming to have the spirit of God in the churches, we may find out did not (Ro 8:14, Matt. 25:1–13).  The spirit has been saying to the churches that now is the time to look up (Lk 21:36).  The spirit has not mentioned Toby Keith or the Broncos to me; but, he has pointed to the Revelation 12:1-2 sign (Ac 17:11).  

I understand our desire to be home with Christ, but we have to be very cautious not to misunderstand simply because we want something badly.

Our wanting earns us a crown.  Our not wanting merits our losing said crown (Re 3:11).  I’m keeping my crown and might even earn another one before week’s end.  Whatever brings him the reward for his suffering, I’m all for that.   

Trust me, I would want nothing better than to be with Christ on September 23rd, but I think there is more work to be done here. 

I know of women whose existence is to be deposited daily into the ground until her Muslim rapist has need of her.  He pulls her up, rapes her and the re-deposits her back into a vertical hole in the ground.  She’s had quite enough of this world (Ro 8:22, 2 Co 4:14).  In 3 ½ years, my God will begin to rule and reign (Re 19:6). 

Our work here is finished (2 Ti 4:7).  Now, God to returns to his plans for his wife, Israel (Re 22:20). 

Reply to Grady Edwards 

Stop trying to be God and say the rapture will happen 9-23.

God tells us differently (Eze 33:6). 

…[B]e ready and keep being diligent.

What do you think we’ve been doing?  We’ve been studying ever since the Re 12:1-2 sign appeared.  Have you? Ac 17:11

Now is not the time to hunker down and just wait.

Who’s sitting around eating bon bons?  We are sharing what we’ve learned (Ac 20:20).

That's what the enemy wants us to do.

The enemy is working overtime to be sure that you do not look up (Re 3:3).    

Reply to Cathy Ewer

Isn't it sad that concerning the rapture teachings, the Church has taught for many years that No man knoweth the day or hour…

Sounds like for those teachers that he will come like a thief (1 Thess 5:2).   Not to us (1 Thess 5:4).

Did your pastor mention the Re 12:1-2 sign at church?  Mine did not--dereliction of duty.

Reply to Glade Goding

If you are willfully sinning - you are not rapture ready. Repent of your sins and turn from them.

No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God (1 Jn 3:9).

Reply to Roy Grandbois

Getting ready is done with repentance. Much of the church has not moved forward in to repentance and will therefore not be ready.

Yeppers.

Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Men and brethren, what shall we do?”

Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.” Ac 2:37–38

Reply to Cindy Kittinger

There are rewards for those who love his appearing.  Can't wait, can't shut up…

Darn tootin’.

A crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing (2 Ti 4:8).   

Reply to Cyndi Rice Spikes My greatest observation and disappointment is that the "church" is silent. So sad!

Pathetic (Ro 1:16).  

GISMYS replied

…[T]he god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving…

The god of this world is in control (Mt 4:9). His followers would love to keep it that way (Eccl 10:2, Jn 10:10). His reign ends in 3 ½ years (Re 11:17). 

Josheb replied

…[D]estroying people and destroying the earth are two entirely different things.

The earth will be destroyed and made new (Is 65:17). 

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We are rapidly approaching the alignment of the heavens for the finale which was written before the foundations of time.

If you’re right, then Jesus lied (Dan 9:24) when he said no man knew the day or hour (Mk 13:32). Keep reading (Re 1:1-2, 22:10).

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We could also prepare for when the earth's oceans soon boil away from climate change…

Oh, your climate is going to change (2 Pe 3:10). Don't be here when it does (Lk 21:36).

Simpletruther View Post

Many Christians don't hold to the idea that the rapture is coming...

And many Christians aren't Christians (Ro 8:14).

And very, very few Christians think the rapture is coming next week...

The bride is special, indeed (Re 21:9).   

How to Win all 5 Crowns in Heaven

dale1257 replied
So just to be clear, you are saying that you believe that the rapture will happen on 23 Sept 2017?

It’s a possibility (Re 12:1-2). 

Reply to Deborah Burge

The covered image in Google sky is just the sign of what is happening on the earth right now.

[Clarke conjecture] And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: [The Re 12:1-2 Sign 23 Sept 17, Feast of Trumpets] And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. [Travails getting to this point]  And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.  And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.  And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: [We, the church, held/will hold that rod of iron.] and her child was caught up unto God, [harpazo, raptured] and to his throne [We go to the throne room of God.].  And the woman fled into the wilderness, [Israel flees at the mid-point of the tribulation.] where she hath a place prepared of God, [80,000 bibles are there waiting for her.] that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. [The Lord cares for her under his wings.] Re 12.

Reply to Otilia Saint Etornam

Angels also created humans right?  

No.  Angels are created beings (Ps. 148:2, 5; Col. 1:16).  We judge the fallen ones (1 Co 6:3).  Payback’s a beeach.

Reply to Deborah Burge

[Variety of ideas re:  red dragon] I think Satan's sign is already there.

We can give our best guess as to what the dragon wonder will be (Re 12:3).

Truth7t7 replied

You previously stated "On Sept 23rd"...

You've misquoted me (Eph 4:14).

23 Sept 17

Now you're adding "around Sept 23rd"...

You've misquoted me (Eph 4:14).

...around 23 Sept 17.  

...and "a good possibility".  Big Smiles!

Your smiles may be coming to an end soon   (2 Pe 3:4, 1 Thess 5:3).    

This Sunday, Sept 24th you and those you follow become false prophets and teachers!

You’re projecting again (2 Pe 2:1). The watchmen are fine servants of the Lord (Eph 4:14). They’ve said look up (Eze 33:6). You say don’t (Re 3:3).   

Reply to Marion Lombard

[New Moon sighted Jerusalem]

Whoomp There It Is! My next layover will be in New Jerusalem.   I don’t even know the city code!

Leaving on a Jet Plane ~ Peter, Paul and Mary  

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Christians will occupy the holy Land…

We will commute between New Jerusalem and earth.

Reply to Jack Nichols

I could be wrong, and it wouldn't be too much of a shock that it might happen just before the Great Sign too, on Saturday evening above Jerusalem (morning here in the USA).

It’s not about us (1 Cor. 15:51).  It’s about Israel again soon.

Reply to Eric McGinty

[Vid falling stars Mk 13:25] I think demons and/or fallen angels are starting to show up and possibly getting into position...

And her child was caught up to God and His throne [may refer to the church].  Then the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, that they should feed her there one thousand two hundred and sixty days. [Israel and the first half of the tribulation]

And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. [He’s booted out of heaven (Mt 22:12).  No more complaining  about us.]

Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, “Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death. [Us, the church, the overcomers] Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! [We are where he is.] Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! [Unbelieving Jews, trib saints] For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.” [Their persecution begins.] Re 12:5–12.

Reply to Winfrey

[Begley]

He’s all about current events.  Sort of got his eye off the ball—Jesus.  He’s planning for seven years when the devil reigns (in actuality only 3 ½ years)—maybe that’s because he works for him.    If he remains after the rapture, he didn’t have the Holy Spirit.  He was a foolish virgin.  Are you serious?  Yes, I am (Matt. 25:1–13).

[Rapture, a mid-trib event]

False (Is 26:20).

It’s a regular event.

False (2 Pet. 2:1).   The Revelation 12:1-2 sign may be fulfilled on 23 Sept 17, Feast of Trumpets—nothing regular about that at all.  We re-studying eschatology to figure out where we are and why we might be seeing the sign now.   

It would be strange for the Re 12:1-2 to appear and for it not to mean anything for the Jews—not to mention the other markers around this time.

It’s part of the end-times delusion.

...The Jews didn’t believe the first time he came.  You want to throw your hat in with that crowd?  Can a mid-tribber (and apostate to my mind) earn a crown of righteousness for having loved his loved his appearing?  2 Ti 4:8.  You want him to come; but do you believe  he’s coming?  Can you see him through the lattice? Sng 2:9  I think it’s going to take a little faith for us to get from here to there. 

It’s a bandwagon effect.

Bandwagon Sprit of God Ro 8:14

We need to pray for ‘em...

We’ll take that; but you need prayer, as well (1 Pe 3:8).

Reply to Empson

Remember, these are just signs…

The bible calls this a great wonder (Re 12:1).

Don’t get into a lot of this other stuff that’s goin’ on—astrology and things like that.

Astrology is evil (Ex 20:4).  Astronomy is great (Ge 1:14).

All our truth and wisdom comes from the Lord.

The sun, moon and stars were not arranged by the Lord? Ge 1:1

Reply to Vinny Smith

We are not prepping…

We are not told to prep with:  gold, guns or groceries.  Here’s the only preparation: Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved (Ac 16:31).

Reply to Jace Neil Hamilton‎

Does anyone know what time the shofar is blown on the Feast of Trumpets?

Only concerned with that last one.   Serpent Dove—not a Jew (2 Ti 2:15).

Reply to Christine Gausden

I saw someone I know and love making fun saying crazy Christians believe that another planet is going to hit earth on the 23rd and end the world...

Guess they haven’t read Ge 8:22.

Nothing will hit the earth until God allows something to hit the earth (Rev. 8:11).

…[U]ntil something happens some just will never believe…

God tried: 

1. The dispensation of Innocence. A dispensation that was in effect from the creation to the Fall.

2. The dispensation of Conscience. A dispensation that was in effect from the Fall until Noah.

3. The dispensation of Civil Government. A dispensation that was in effect from Noah until Abraham.

4. The dispensation of Promise or Patriarchal Rule. A dispensation that was in effect from Abraham until the giving of the Law.

5. The dispensation of the Mosaic Law. A dispensation that was in effect from the giving of the Law until the 1st Coming of Christ.

6. The dispensation of Grace. A dispensation that was in effect from the 1st Coming of Christ to the 2nd Coming of Christ.

7. The dispensation of the Millennium. A dispensation that will be in effect from the 2nd Coming of Christ until the beginning of the Eternal Order at the end of the 1,000 years.

Garcia Are You a Dispensationalist?

Reply to Jordan Riley

The world is not ending on Sept 23rd…

Strawman Eph 4:14

Ge 8:22, 1 Thess. 4:16, 17 

Reply to Jimmy Carter

[Meme] Once we are all gone, who will offend the liberals?

The two witnesses (Re 11:3).  Al Gore is going to blow a gasket.

Reply to Leigh Ann Pitts

Has anyone asked about all the people groups of the world being reached? Has this happened?

Men are responsible for the light given them.  Responsibility is increased by:  sight (John 9:39–41), privilege (John 15:22, 24), opportunity (Matt. 11:20–24), continuance in sin (Matt. 23:31–35), rejection (Matt. 10:11–15). Thomas Nelson Publishers. (1996). Nelson’s quick reference topical Bible index (p. 529). Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers.

Reply to Danny Mccurtain

[Ready for rapture] You were ready the very moment you came to the knowledge of Jesus Christ…

"If you blow off God, He'll blow you off too." ~ Doug Giles  

“If you blow God off.  For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord. And again, “The Lord will judge His people.” It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God (Heb 10:26–31).  

Reply to Katrina Cooper Hammond

[After rapture] I'll stay and love them…

If you stay, you did not love (1 Jn 3:14).   

[Used with permission (1 Jn 3:14, Ac 20;20)] If I go I didn't love Serpent Dove. Don't use my father's scripture without his character in your heart.

Watch therefore, and pray always, that you may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man (Lk 21:36).  

Reply to GISMYS  

[Natural disasters] “It's time to "look up!" Hal Lindsey

It's nice to tell people why you know that (Re 12:1-2).  

GISMYS replied

At this point, the horrible tribulation hour begins to unfold.

The tribulation does not begin until the church is raptured.  Jupiter has been “birthed” already.  When the moon passes below Virgo’s feet, the Re 12:1-2 prophecy may be fulfilled.  We aren’t waiting on a man’s trumpet/shofar.  We may be near the Lord himself coming for his bride, the church (1 Thess. 4:16, 17).

Up to this point, the world has experienced the beginning of sorrows (Mt 24:8, Re 12:2).  They ain’t seen nothin’ yet.  All hell breaks loose when we leave (1 Thess 5:3).

…[G]reat numbers of both Jews and Gentiles will be killed for refusing to receive the mark of the beast…

If they miss the rapture and wish to ever see heaven, then they will die for their faith.  Overcomers are the bride (Re 12:11).  Trib saints are overcome (Re 13:7). 

Reply to Leigh Ann Pitts

[No man knows the day or hour] It seems most have not studied that phrase and what else it could mean.

Period, dot, bingo. 

Reply to Shannon Anderson

…I cannot stop wanting to just sing and dance!

That’s what we were made for!  Let’s bust a move for our God!

See: 

The Power of the Shout and the Reason for the Dance  Stone

Reply Allison Rose Ferguson

When the rapture happens will everyone hear the trumpets or just the people who believe?

If trumpets are for us, perhaps just us (Re 2:7).  Remember that terrible movie with Nicolas Cage about the rapture?   Everyone kept running around saying Where did everyone go?  Where did everyone go? 

The bride is rare.  Will they even know we’ve gone?  Or, maybe I just have an Elijah complex (1 Ki 19:18).  Satan works to deceive them right away.        

Reply to Kelvin Kuan

How can one be filled with joy in being raptured and eating at the marriage supper of the Lamb if one's family is going through the 7 years of tribulation on earth?

3 ½ years.  We don’t rejoice in our circumstances.  We rejoice in the Lord (Php 4:4).  There will be tears on that day (Re 21:4).  Keep praying.  It’s not too late.

Examples of intercession:  Moses (Ex. 32:11–13), Joshua (Josh. 7:6–9), Jehoshaphat (2 Chr. 20:5–13), Isaiah (2 Chr. 32:20), Daniel (Dan. 9:3–19), Christ (John 17:1–26), Paul (Col. 1:9–12).  Thomas Nelson Publishers. (1996). Nelson’s quick reference topical Bible index (pp. 319–320). Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers.

So, all earthly relationships will be absolutely meaningless when we come into His presence?

No, of course not.  He loves.  We love. 

…[W]e will just be so obsessively fixated on Christ that all the family and friends will mean nothing should any of them be fighting for their lives during the tribulation?

We’ll still be praying for them when we’re there—hoping that they will listen to the two witnesses.  If/when they take the mark of the beast, we can stop praying (Re 14:9-11).  

Reply to Jennifer Workman

I just want to say that if the rapture doesn't happen on the 23rd, I'll still be here in this group praying for everyone that we don't lose hope or be discouraged.

We have joy today.  We’ll have joy tomorrow whether in our glorified bodies or not (Php 4:7).

We know that the signs are from God so we know that we are in the end of the age.

We’ve been in the end of the age since the Book of Acts.  Paul may have connected the rapture to the Feast of Trumpets (1 Co 15:52).   Daniel sealed the vision and prophecy (Dan 9:24) John unsealed it (Re 22:10).

We’ve studied (2 Ti 2:15) . We may be go for launch (Re 12:1-2).  Maybe my next bible study being with Daniel himself--after I dance a jig with David.   

Whether we're caught up or left to endure we need to stick together and encourage one another and dive deeper into our bibles than ever before.

Of course.   That’s what we do. 

Reply to Myra Key

Put yourself in Mary's shoes.

No thanks.  My eyes are on Jesus (Php 3:10).

We are saved by grace alone (Eph 2:8-9), through faith alone (Eph 1:13; 2Ti 1:10), in Christ alone (Isa 45:21,22; 59:16; Ac 4:12).  Roman Catholics deny this (Jude 1:11).

See:

No Mary Worship 

Reply to Lorraine Taylor “…[M]y husband , he left me on the last blood moon , not even recognizing the significance of the day , till I told him you do realize in an hour it's the last blood moon don't you ? He didn't care

Part of the falling away (2 Thess 2:3).  I’m sorry that happened to you.  Happened to me, too.  Our bridegroom is faithful and true (Re 19:11). 

[He] lives in another town with that woman…

Evil (Heb 13:4). 

We’re going home soon.  Does it all make sense now?

Reply to DeNoon

[No rapture today, looking for the Antichrist]

You don’t think there will be a rapture; but, you do think that the Antichrist will come on the scene? 

Re-read 2 Thess 2 to learn the order of events.  The rapture is the next event on God’s prophetic calendar.  It’s not all about the Antichrist.  It’s all about Jesus.  King Jesus is returning! Re 12:1-5

By the way, you keep teaching the same scripture over and over (Ob 1:6).  Too bad you did not take this time to study the Re 12:1-2 sign.  Too bad.

Reply to Toney

[Loving our pets] “I’m a little concerned because we’ve lowered ourselves…”

Then the Lord sent Nathan to David. And he came to him, and said to him: “There were two men in one city, one rich and the other poor. The rich man had exceedingly many flocks and herds. But the poor man had nothing, except one little ewe lamb which he had bought and nourished; and it grew up together with him and with his children. It ate of his own food and drank from his own cup and lay in his bosom; and it was like a daughter to him. And a traveler came to the rich man, who refused to take from his own flock and from his own herd to prepare one for the wayfaring man who had come to him; but he took the poor man’s lamb and prepared it for the man who had come to him.” The New King James Version. (1982). (2 Sa 12:1–4). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

We don’t apologize for loving our animals.   

A good man cares for his animals (Pr 12:10).

Reply to Eric McGinty

[Pets] I have been petitioning the Lord for the past week to bring my three fur babies with me and I am praying for your pets too!

Clarke was discussing that in his latest vid.  He conjectures that pets will be going with us.  They don’t deserve what’s coming on the earth (Ro 8:22).  Besides, he said, Noah took his pets with him (Lk 17:26). 

Look up.  Don’t look back (Lk 17:32).    

Reply to Carol Franklin Adams

Are you looking for The lion of the Tribe of Judah today…[?]

The prophecy Narnia:  The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe

Reply to Jason Carroll

Time to meet your maker.

Maranatha!  

Reply to Robert Rodriguez

What does that mean?

Come, Lord Jesus! Re 22:20 

GISMYS View Post

Jack Van Impe and Hal Lindsey had nothing to say about September 23rd.

On his last vid, Impe mentioned Revelation 12:1 and they did not edit it out. 

Reply to Richard Khor

I am on night watch.

God bless ya.

Then He came and found them sleeping, and said to Peter, “Simon, are you sleeping? Could you not watch one hour?" Mk 14:37   

TomL replied

[Not 23 Sept 17] I will be glad when this nonsense [is] over.

It ain’t over ‘til the fat lady sings (Gen 7:1-4, Lev 25:9, Eze 40:1, Re 12:1-5).

"I ain't heard no fat lady." ~ Captain Steven Hiller, Independence Day

TribulationSigns replied

Man child is Christ, himself.

That’s one layer. Another layer is his body--some believe, the church to be born.   (Re 12:1-5). Men must be born again  (1 Pe 1:23).     

“…[W]e are in a Jubilee year and there is one more trumpet that is only sounded in a Jubilee year to announce the start of the New Year:

Lev 25:9 Then shalt thou cause the trumpet of the jubilee to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month, in the Day of Atonement shall ye make the trumpet sound throughout all your land.

Ezekiel also describes such an event where the beginning of the year is equated to the 10th day of the month:

Eze 40:1 In the five and twentieth year of our captivity, in the beginning of the year, in the tenth day of the month, in the fourteenth year after that the city was smitten, in the selfsame day the hand of the LORD was upon me, and brought me thither.

This only happens during a Jubilee and this may be the reason for the delay…

… The New Year of a Jubilee is announced with the sounding of a trump on the 10th day of the seventh month, different to how it would be done on the Feast of Trumpets for all the other non-jubilee years…” God’s Roadmap to the End 

GondwanaLand View Post

[Mocking another member (2 Pe 3:4)] Been raptured yet?

Some believe the church is waiting on a last trump. Gen 7:1-4, Lev 25:9, Eze 40:1 

inertia View Post

Fact: The September 23rd predictions didn't come true.  According to Answers in Genesis:  "Many videos on the Internet are promoting this. On this date, the sun will be in the constellation Virgo (the virgin), along with the moon near Virgo’s feet...”

Near, not under (Re 12:1).  

Near or under signifies nothing.

If you’re a pauper (Pr 25:2, Am 3:7, Re 1:6, 3:17).

Reply to Jay Tsunami

Stay strong in faith brothers and sisters.  This is our true test.  The sign has been fulfilled and the rapture is not a matter of if but when.

1 Co 9:24

GondwanaLand replied

[Last trump (1 Co 15:52)] We're going to have more than one Trump?...

 

The believer must be born of incorruptible seed (2 Pe 1:23).  If Jupiter represents the church, then he, baby Jupiter, will appear in the throne room of God (Re 12:5). Ge 7:10, 17:12, 14, Lev 12:2, 25:9, Jon 3:4, Lk 2:21-24, 34

Reply to Valles

Are we looking at a rapture sign?  No.  

"If I can go that distance, seein’ that bell ring and I’m still standing, I’m gonna know for the first time in my life ya see that I weren’t just another bum from the neighborhood.”  ~ Rocky

The Distance ~ Cake 2 Ti 4:7

TribulationSigns View Post

[7 day delay ]  I bet you have thought of it ahead of time... 

"I didn't mean to bug ya." ~ Bono, U2 Lk 2:34 

roby3 View Post

[Jonathan Kleck]

...False teacher who believes the archangel Michael spoke to him.  He runs around saying thus sayeth the Lord.    

He teaches serpent seed doctrine (e.g. the queen turns into a lizard when people aren’t watching [2 Pe 2:1]).

Reply to Valles

It’s rehearsing the birth of Immanuel.

Jewish prophecy consists of patterns repeating themselves.  The Revelation 12:1-2 alignment may be our indication that the church may be raptured soon (Harpazo, Re 12:5) and the tribulation will begin.  

We’ve seen the sign of the Son of Man begin…

False (2 Pet. 2:1).   You equate the Revelation 12 sign with the sign of the Son of Man—two different things.  The rapture is not the second coming and the second coming is not the rapture.

The events of seals one though six…that will happen in mere hours…

False (2 Pet. 2:1).   No seal is opened until the church is raptured. 

See:

Order of Events 2 Thess 2 Missler    

GISMYS replied

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

He’s given men every last chance to get in the ark:  So Noah, with his sons, his wife, and his sons’ wives, went into the ark because of the waters of the flood. Of clean animals, of animals that are unclean, of birds, and of everything that creeps on the earth, two by two they went into the ark to Noah, male and female, as God had commanded Noah. And it came to pass after seven days that the waters of the flood were on the earth (Ge 7:7–10, emphasis mine).

And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man: They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all (Lk 17:26–27).

But while the bridegroom was delayed, they all slumbered and slept (Mt 25:5).    

God, not man, sounds the last trumpet:  For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God (1 Th 4:16).  

After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither (Re 4:1a, KJV).  

To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD…    ✓ 

…And the day of vengeance of our God (Is 61:2).   

Truth7t7 replied

Have you now moved your prediection...[?]

Our job is to watch (Re 3:3).    Your job it to mock (2 Pe 3:4, Mt 7:6).  

Reply to Cathy Ewer

I received this in my devotional this morning. Thought I would share it with you guys. “This is to be a lasting ordinance for you: On the tenth day of the seventh month you must deny yourselves and not do any work — whether native-born or a foreigner residing among you . . .  — Leviticus 16:29

This week marks the continuation of the ten days between the start of Rosh Hashanah and ending with Yom Kippur, known as the Days of Awe or the Days of Repentance. It is a time of serious introspection in preparation for Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement, which will be observed on Sept. 30. It is considered the holiest day of the Jewish calendar.

Yom Kippur is a dress rehearsal. When the Bible instructs, “you must deny yourselves,” it refers to five “denials” in particular. In the Jewish tradition, during Yom Kippur, we don’t eat or drink, wash our bodies, beautify ourselves with creams and cosmetics, engage in marital relations, or wear leather shoes. In other words, we stay away from anything especially physical. As we stand in synagogue with nothing but our deeds behind us and God before us, awaiting judgment for the year to come, we are practicing for our final judgment. In essence, Yom Kippur is a dress rehearsal for death.

When God created the world, He said the same thing on every day of Creation: “it was good” (Genesis 1). There is one exception to that rule. On the sixth day God said, “and it was very good” (Genesis 1:31). The Jewish sages teach that while “it was good ” refers to the potential for life that God had created, “very good” refers to the potential for death…”

There’s nothing good about death (1 Co 15:26).Yom Kippur is a dress rehearsal. When the Bible instructs, “you must deny yourselves,” it refers to five “denials” in particular. In the Jewish tradition, during Yom Kippur, we don’t eat or drink, wash our bodies, beautify ourselves with creams and cosmetics, engage in marital relations, or wear leather shoes. In other words, we stay away from anything especially physical. As we stand in synagogue with nothing but our deeds behind us and God before us, awaiting judgment for the year to come, we are practicing for our final judgment. In essence, Yom Kippur is a dress rehearsal for death.
When God created the world, He said the same thing on every day of Creation: “it was good” (Genesis 1). There is one exception to that rule. On the sixth day God said, “and it was very good” (Genesis 1:31). The Jewish sages teach that while “it was good ” refers to the potential for life that God had created, “very good” refers to the potential for death.  

I thought this was interesting because it ties up with creation in that we are in our 6th day and it is at the end of that God says it was very good... I also thought the 6th day potential for death is also interesting because the rapture would bring that about.

We don’t die (1 Cor. 15:51–53).

What are your thoughts and do you think it ties in with what other watchers have been saying?

Watchers are aliens. Do you mean watchmen?

Reply to Christella Salazar

I’m just so tired.

We all are.

 ”I need you Miao Yin.” ~  Lao Big Trouble in Little China

Reply to Watchman for That Great Day

[Holiday Tarries Hab 2:3]

Wait for it... 

...Whoo! Hoo!

Song 2  ~ Blur 

Reply to Bear049

[God] “Doesn’t want a man to get credit [presumably for knowing when he will return]...No rapture, no trumpets blew…”

Is that why the Magi knew he was coming the first time? The Jews should not have known that Jesus was returning? Lk 19:44

    Surely the Lord God does nothing,

    Unless He reveals His secret to His servants the prophets.

    A lion has roared!

    Who will not fear?

    The Lord God has spoken!

    Who can but prophesy? Am 3:7–8

[Claims to have known Trump would win, everyone would hate him]

Proof please (Eph 4:14).

...Men are not correct.

Guess Daniel shouldn’t have known that seventy years of captivity were coming to an end either (Dan 9). 

[Proof that you said Trump would win, everyone would hate him (Eph 4:14)]  Serpent Dove your name says it all.

Jn 4:1 

Reply to Savannah Beaumont

So, I'm a little confused on the Jews, they don't recognize Jesus as the Messiah, correct?

That’s right (Ro 11:25).

Reply to Sharon Hammons Glaze

I think this is separating those who truly watch and wait...

“Hold.”   ~ Braveheart +   Eph 6:13  

Reply to Cathy Ewer

I think there is link here between circumcision and being made whole.

We are to circumcise our hearts (Deut. 10:16, Jer. 4:4); but, we can’t do that without God (Deut. 30:6).

I am wondering if the sign of Sept 23rd is a sign for the Jews to bring us all together under the same One God.

Signs are for them; not us (Mt 16:4).   

TomL replied

[Gap]

There is no reason to think that there will be a gap after the rapture of the church (1 Co 15:52).  The rapture will be the first Domino to fall. 

Reply to Cathy Ewer  

…[S]o as [we] are circumcised by faith and they are circumcised by the law…

All men have always been saved the same way—by grace through faith (Eph 2:8-9).   

…[I]s it possible to bring us all together…

We have been grafted in.  They are the original olive tree (Ro 11:24).

…[W]e will be raptured according to the law…

We stand in grace not law (Rom. 5:2, 6:14).

…[S]o they can be circumcised by faith?

If they circumcise for religious reason, then they must keep the whole law (Gal. 5:1–4).  

TomL View Post

The sign of the Son of Man…is rehearsed in the Revelation 12 sign….When does the sign of the Son of Man fully appear?...

False (2 Pet. 2:1).   The Revelation 12 sign is not the sign of the Son of Man and the sign of the Son of Man is not the Revelation 12 sign. 

Things that are different are not the same. 

Reply to David Bako

Our response should be of faith in the more sure word of prophecy for the signs are given to confirm our faith in His word.

Darn tootin’! 

Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

Stand therefore, having girded your waist with truth, having put on the breastplate of righteousness, and having shod your feet with the preparation of the gospel of peace; above all, taking the shield of faith with which you will be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked one. And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God; praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, being watchful to this end with all perseverance and supplication for all the saints (Eph 6:13–18a).

Reply to Levi

[Persecution, disloyalty]

A faithful person who can find? Pr 20:6   

Your God will come with vengeance, with the recompense of God (Is 35:4).

Reply to  ShinySilverBunny

Serpent Dove good verse.  I found 2 Thessalonian 1 : 6 is a precept to that.

Since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with tribulation those who trouble you (2 Th 1:6).   

Reply to Cathy Ewer

Just a quick question. I have seen posts where some Christians don't agree with the theories and they are being called mockers and scoffers who won't be ready for Jesus return ; and so, they will be left behind.

The way for one not to get left behind is for him to place his trust in Jesus (Ac 16:31).

...I know one scripture about people scoffing saying where is your God etc.; but, that is about unbelievers not believers.

Idolaters, yes (2 Cor. 6:15–18).

…He [Jesus] rebuked them for not watching [Garden Gethsemane] but God didn't leave them behind and they ended up becoming apostles of Christ.

He needed them and they took the opportunity to take a snooze. 

Surely, whether you are a date setter or not, it is about a person's heart and if they have a personal relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ and if they have repented of their sin and serve him as their Lord and master?

Yes.  We’re just told to watch.  If you’re not watching, he comes as a thief (Re 3:3). 

The Re 12:1-2 sign may have been the Domino that causes the rest of the Dominos to fall in the Book of Revelation.

Satan can annoys us for a little time longer (Re 12:4) and then we should be outta here (v 5, 2 Ti 2:15).

Reply to Mitch Mac

Nope, saved by the blood, the word of their testimony…

Strawman (Eph 4:14).

If indeed he is saved. 

If indeed you have heard of the stewardship of God's grace which was given to me for you (Eph 3:2).

If indeed you have tasted that the Lord is good (1 Pe 2:3).

If indeed you continue in the faith firmly established and steadfast, and not moved away from the hope of the gospel that you have heard, which was proclaimed (Col 1:23),

If indeed you have heard Him and have been taught in Him, just as truth is in Jesus (Eph 4:21).  

TomL replied

Your formatting gives a misleading understanding here.  Those are not my words…

I’m not here to teach you English 101 (Eph 4:14).  

Reply to Martin Schulz

…We do have patterns in Scripture of how things went and it is reasonable to believe those patterns will continue in our time. We do not set dates. God does. We did not create or place the calendar and clocking mechanism in the heavens. God did. It is not of our interpretation as to how to use them or their meaning. God tells us in Scripture how to use them and what they mean. There are signs and for "appointed times".  We are expected--even commanded to be watching, Watching what? The signs.

That some choose to dismiss these is a matter of personal interest and choice. That others take God at His word and choose to dig into the matter at great length and depth is also a personal choice and matter…

…Let someone say [that the rapture is] today and people’s heads explode. Ten virgins were all dressed up and were out there living their lives, in this case ready to go to a wedding feast. Of the ten only five were really living their life prepared. By whatever analogy you like, extra oil, knowledge of Scripture or whatever, five of the all dressed up and thinking they were ready at any time were in fact, not ready. And they did not go in to the feast.

It is better to be watching and to say, hey, this is a high probability date based on Scripture than to be glibly dismissive when the shouts are going out that the groom is coming.

Yes. 

And they went into the ark to Noah, two by two, of all flesh in which is the breath of life. So those that entered, male and female of all flesh, went in as God had commanded him; and the Lord shut him in (Ge 7:15–16).  

Come, my people, enter your chambers, And shut your doors behind you; Hide yourself, as it were, for a little moment, Until the indignation is past. (Is 26:20).

And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding; and the door was shut (Mt 25:10).

After these things I looked, and behold, a door standing open in heaven. And the first voice which I heard was like a trumpet speaking with me, saying, “Come up here, and I will show you things which must take place after this.” (Re 4:1).  

Reply to Mitch Mac

…[A]ny excuse other than Jesus sacrifice, is flesh believing…

Strawman (Eph 4:14).

Men are saved by grace through faith (Eph 2:8-10).  We’ll know if they are saved by their fruits (Mt 7:20). 

…Jesus makes us worthy, nothing else nothing more.

Men are positionally righteous (Phil. 3:9) when they humble themselves before God and repent— not before (Acts 2:37, 38).

See: 

Lordship

Reply to Hank Carter  

I remember either in Scottie Clarke video or someone else, it was mentioned that Mathew is from a Jewish perspective and Luke was from gentile perspective and that the parable of the ten virgins pertained to the tribulation period.  But I think I'm confusing myself trying to make heads and tails out of this.  Would love other ideas on this.  

Here’s what J. Vernon McGee had to say:

  Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom [Matt. 25:1].

“To better understand the customs in Israel during the New Testament period, we refer to the Peshitta, which is a Syriac version of the Bible. Although it is not a text to be recommended, it does shed light on some of the customs of the day. The Peshitta translation of the verse before us indicates that the virgins went forth to meet the bridegroom and the bride, which means that the bridegroom is coming from the marriage to the marriage supper. It is my understanding that, although the marriage of Christ and the church takes place in heaven, the marriage supper takes place on this earth. A passage in the Gospel of Luke substantiates this. As our Lord is giving warnings and parables, He says, “Let your loins be girded about, and your lights burning; And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately” (Luke 12:35–36). You see, the wedding has taken place, and the bride is with him. Obviously, if he is coming from the wedding, the bride is with him; no man ever went on a honeymoon by himself—if he did, it wasn’t a honeymoon!

So here in the parable of the ten virgins, Christ, pictured as the bridegroom, is bringing the bride with Him, and the believers on earth are waiting for Him to come. While the Great Tribulation has been going on upon the earth, Christ has been yonder in heaven with His bride, the church. Then at the conclusion of the seven years of Tribulation, He comes back to earth with the church…” McGee, J. V. (1991). Thru the Bible commentary: The Gospels (Matthew 14-28) (electronic ed., Vol. 35, pp. 151–152). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

We're waiting on this guy to repent (Eph 1:4).

"Sorry y’all.  It was an accident.” ~ Jay, Men in Black    

Reply to Stephen Jarrard

The next new moon, Oct 20. 

Reset of the Date of the Rapture Jarrard

So, you still believe that the rapture will occur on the FOT; but you believe that the FOT is one month off. 

The Jews are very persnickety about all of this.  How could it be that one family of barley growers would complain:  Hey, I’m up north and though your barley down south is awesome to go, mine isn’t ready to be harvested? 

And if they didn’t override the guy, then wouldn’t he just have to suck it up and go with the larger group decision?

In other words, why would God side with the one barley grower over the rest?  Even though he may be right in the larger community, everyone is going ahead to celebrate on a certain day. 

You answered your own argument in the last sentence. Have you actually watched the video ( I know it's a bit long, but).

Right, but what can God do?  The Jew are already celebrating on one day.  Paul didn’t say ‘At the last trump (1 Co 15:52)’ and ‘Oh by the way, all ya’ll are going to mess up that last trump and everyone will be confused.’

He also said, ‘As you see the day approaching (Heb 10:25).’  He didn’t say, ‘As you see the day pass by in your rear view mirror because as usual you missed it and can never do anything right the first time.’

This is barley.  How hard is it to pick barley?  You grow it.  You pick it.  This isn’t rocket science.

God doesn't give exact instructions, and then when men get it wrong, He says "Oh, what the heck.  I'll change to accommodate their lack of understanding."

But he also doesn’t show up on an unexpected day.  If he does, then we were children of the night (1 Thess 5:4).  He is not a God of disorder (1 Co 14:33). 

What people are seeing in their rear view mirror is a mirage.

 

Alas, we will know as soon as planet x is posted on NBC, CBS and CNN.

This Planet X or Black Star or whatever it is, would be something for later in the time line.  It sounds more like an event to show up around the sixth seal when we’ve been long gone.  This planet will be a-ok until God says it’s not going to be a-ok (Ge 8:22, 2 Pe 3:12).

[Jarrard:  possible delay due to non-abib]

We Christians have got the longest leaving act in town (2 Ti  2:15). 

Reply to Nathan BG

[Jay, Men in Black] What exactly does this mean?

Not Calvinism—I can promise you that.  God is calling out a people for his namesake.  That’s all.  If you’d like to be whosoever, be whosoever. 

See:

Predestination and Will:  How are predestination and election connected with foreknowledge?     

Does God Elect Everyone?

Also, I recently learned that aliens are actually fallen angels.

There are no aliens.  There are demons who pretend to be aliens, deceased loved ones, etc. 2 Co 2:11, 11:14 

20 oTribulationSigns View Post

Still in business of making false predictions?

The watchmen have said nothing false (2 Pe 2:1, Eph 4:14).

Reply to Valles

We’ve been studying the sign of the Son of Man…

False (2 Pe 2:1).  The Revelation 12 sign is not the Sign of the Son of Man and the sign of the Son of Man is not the Revelation 12 sign.  Things that are different are not the same.

[Is 7:14]

That is the sign regarding Jesus’ birth.

…The identity of who was brought forth.  That’s Shiloh.

False (2 Pe 2:1).  Jesus was born 2000 years ago.  Revelation 12 may be a parenthetical chapter.  The Revelation 12:1-2 sign may kick off the rest of the events to occur in the Book of Revelation. 

…[Jesus] the only one born with the right to rule…

False (2 Pe 2:1).  The church has been the Lord’s authority on earth for 2000 years (Prov. 29:2, Acts 26:10, 12, 2 Cor. 10:8, Eph. 1:23, Tt. 2:15).  She will rule and reign with him (1 Pe 2:9, Re 1:6, 12:5).

We’re at a high time to be expecting Shiloh to show up.

False (2 Pe 2:1).  The rapture is the next event to occur on God’s prophetic calendar.  The Second Coming will not occur until 3 1/2 years later at the mid-point of the tribulation when Jesus steps foot on the mount of Olives (Zech 14:4).

Reply to D.J. Konrad  

…Yet there are numerous different theories on what the last trump even is…

Traditionally, 1 Thess. 4:15, 17 is believed to be connected  with Re 4:1. 

See:

Feast of Trumpets    

Reply to Winfrey

No man knows the day or the hour.

Did you put a whole 4 minutes of study into this thought? 2 Ti 2:15

Don’t let anyone tell you different.  If they do, it’s a false teaching.

Read at least the first verse of the Book of Revelation (Dan 9:24, Re 22:10).  

They are going to keep on until the Feast of Tabernacles is over.

That’s what watchmen do.  They keep watching (1 Co 12:21).    

And then they’ll have to face the reality that we’re still here.

Your point? Phil 4:11, 2 Co 5:9  

Reply to Philip Fish

Acts 1:7

Keep reading to the Book of Revelation (at least to the first verse).  

  And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power [Acts 1:7].

He let them know, at this particular time, that the Kingdom would not be established. Rather, He would call out a people to His name, the church. In chapter 15 of Acts, when the apostles met for the first council in Jerusalem, James pointed out this fact: “Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name. And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written, After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up: That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things. Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world” (Acts 15:14–18). This is what God is doing today. He is visiting the Gentiles to take out of them a people to His name. That is, God is calling out of the world those people who will trust Christ, and the Holy Spirit baptizes them into the body of believers, the church.

So when the apostles asked Jesus whether He would restore the Kingdom “at this time,” His answer was that this was not the subject for discussion at that time...

...I do believe in prophecy. However, I think one can overemphasize it. To be built up in the faith you need more than a prophetic study.

Then what is our business today? Notice again that the Lord did not rebuke them. Instead, He showed that He had something else in mind. There is something else for us to do.

  But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth [Acts 1:8].

This is the commission that still holds for today. This is not given only to a corporate body, to the church as a body; it is not a corporate commission. This is a very personal command to each believer—personally, privately. This was given to these men even before the Holy Spirit had come and formed the church. It is a direct command for you and for me today.

McGee, J. V. (1991). Thru the Bible commentary: Church History (Acts 1-14) (electronic ed., Vol. 40, pp. 17–18). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

Reply to Philip Fish

The rapture and Day of the Lord…come as a thief.

To children of darkness (1 Thess 5:2) not to us (v. 4).  We love him (1 Jn 4:19) and are led by the spirit of God (Ro 8:14).  His coming for us is a good thing (Tt 2:13).  

If a man does not repent, God will whet his sword; he has bent and readied his bow (Ps 7:12). 

Reply to ziggy33200   

I'm hoping Christians don't lose their faith when the tribulation happens before any rapture. 

Too bad you don't know your bible (1 Thess 5:9).

Too bad (Eph 4:14).  

…[D]o you not think the Lord can protect the faithful through the tribulation?

We aren’t going through the tribulation.  Good eschatology provides comfort (1 Thess 4:18).  Your bad eschatology does not (Eph 4:14).

Guess you’ll have to skip over 1 Thess 4:18 when you teach (2 Pe 2:1). 

ziggy33200 replied

…[T]hose who believe we are going through the tribulation are quite comfortable in knowing that we will be protected when calamity ensues.

You’re not a Jew. Jews are protected during the Great Tribulation (last 3 ½ years) of Daniel’s 70th week.

Tribulation saints will be martyred.  They did not make it in the rapture; and therefore, must endure through 3 ½ years if they hope to live with the Lord forever.

It is also comforting to experience trial and endure by faith.

Then you have no comprehension of what the tribulation is.

You must come from a work-based religion (2 Pe 2:1, Jud 11).  As Elvis left the building, so too; will the Holy Spirit.  An all new dispensation begins when we are gone.

Even giving my life, if needed, for the name of Jesus is a comfort.

Then you’re ready to go because that is what will be required of you.  You’re one of those who has to learn the hard way—someone must make up the tribulation saints.    

I cannot think of a greater joy.

I cannot think of greater stupidity (2 Pe 2:1).

If a tribulation concerns you then you should check your faith…

Everyone should check his faith (2 Co 13:5) —especially if he's in error (e.g. mid-trib, post-trib [2 Pe 2:1]).  

Picking the view that is most comfortable…

Comfort is irrelevant (Eph 4:14).  What God has said is all relevant (Ac 20:20).

…[D]emonstrates that weakness in faith.

Eph 4:14

You want to stay—stay (2 Pe 2:1).    See how that works out for ya (2 Thess 2:10).

Your comfort should come from faith…

My comfort comes from 1 Thess 4:18.  Your comfort will come from the works you think you must do (2 Pe 2:1, Jud 11). 

keras replied

What is a person who wants to escape or be raptured from trials and testing?  If you escape the discipline, in which all the children of God must share; then you must be illegitimate and not a true child of God. Hebrews 12:8

But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons (Heb 12:8).  

“12:7, 8 sons. Because all are imperfect and need discipline and training, all true children of God are chastened at one time or another, in one way or another.

12:8 illegitimate. The word is found only here in the NT, but is used elsewhere in Gr. literature of those born to slaves or concubines. There could be in this an implied reference to Hagar and Ishmael (Gen. 16), Abraham’s concubine and illegitimate son.” MacArthur, J., Jr. (Ed.). (1997). The MacArthur Study Bible (electronic ed., p. 1920). Nashville, TN: Word Pub.

You want to stay.  I want to go in the rapture.

“I prefer clarity to agreement.” ~ Dennis Prager

Pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass (Lk 21:36b).   

I want to stay on earth…

Too bad you don’t love his appearing (2 Ti 4:8, 1 Jn 2:15).

Too bad.  

Reply to Truth7t7  

Will the Antichrist rule/dominate the future great tribulation?

For 3 ½ years, he will. The rapture is the next event to occur. After 3 ½ years of the Antichrist's heyday on earth, the Lord begins to reign (Re 19:6). 

When Jesus Christ returns, it’s fiery judgment [to] the end!

Jesus comes, first for his bride, the church in the air (1 Thess 4:17) and then again 3 ½ years later to the earth (Zech 14:4). 

Those who take the mark of the beast will do alright for 3 ½ years (Re 14:9-10).  Then, they get theirs (Re 16:2). 

Reply to Valles

The only way one can be prepared for the rapture is to believe (2 Pe 2:1).  That is the only work one can do (Jn 6:29).

Men are saved by grace alone (Eph 2:8-9), through faith alone (Eph 1:13; 2Ti 1:10), in Christ alone (Isa 45:21,22; 59:16; Ac 4:12). 

Reply to Hamrick

[Divorced his wife]

No, God isn’t waiting to rapture the church for you to go out and defile yourself and another (Rom. 7:2, 3).

Reply to Bear049

Revelation 12 may be a parenthetical chapter.  Study less about alien abductions and study more about eschatology (2 Pe 2:1).  

Reply to Fellowship of the Mystery

…Why would God use a pagan-goddess constellation Virgo…

Astronomy not astrology (Ge 1:14).

GISMYS View Post

Who would try to hinder God's Word from being posted here?  Who would be so foolish? Who would dare early judgment?  Who would allow Satan to use them as his tool, fool, puppet?

Who do you think? 2 Cor. 13:3–5

Proverbs 16:18 18 Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.  Why ask for early judgment?

That’s rare (1 Co 11:30, 1 Jn 5:16).  Most don’t receive justice until death (Ps. 73:1–28, Heb 10:31).     

Would you agree?

People see, feel, know that we are living in the last days; but, so many churches are little more than social clubs teaching: You are ok and I am ok so let’s all just be happy and no worries about sin, judgment day and eternal hell! 

 “Ouch.” ~ E.T. 

I took my own poll in the lobby of our church.  Here were people’s concerns:

- People don’t give their testimony (e.g. How do we even know that they are Christians?)

- Spiritual warfare—taboo, don’t talk about it

- Small groups not edifying or holding one another accountable

Reply to J*****n

SD Called in to Meet with Elders

Flashback:

SD called into meet with four different priests on four different occasions (Mt 10:17).

We are saved by grace alone (Eph 2:8-9), through faith alone (Eph 1:13; 2Ti 1:10), in Christ alone (Isa 45:21,22; 59:16; Ac 4:12). Roman Catholics deny this (Jude 1:11).             

See:

Roman Catholicism   

Jake1254 View Post

This is what Christianity has become in our day. Defeated Christians who don't even know the authority they have...

I’m from Arizona; so, I trample on snakes and scorpions (Lk 10:19). 

Truth7t7 replied

Will you sell me your earthly riches for 10 cents on the dollar? 

Why would we do that? Mt 6:24, Lk 19:13

Bob Carabbio View Post

Eschatology is just another term for rank speculation...

If you don't know your bible, sure (2 Ti 3:7).

harry View Post

Nobody is going anywhere, unless you die!

We'll believe the apostle Paul (Tt 2:13) or we'll believe you. I'm goin' with Paul.

Bob Carabbio View Post

[Knowing your bible] Or even if you think you do.

You know your scriptures or you don’t (Mt 22:29).    The spirit testifies to one that he is His (Rom. 8:16; Heb. 10:15) and he leads him into all truth (John 16:13).

Bob Carabbio View Post

[Knowing your bible] Or, even if you think you do.

Yes, men with the spirit (Heb. 6:4) can know their God (Phil 3:10) and their scriptures (John 16:13-16).

But not necessarily truths that are unimportant, or irrelevant.  

The gospel is the bible from cover to cover (Ac 15:15).  It’s all important (Rev. 22:18, 19).

So then you claim to know more than Paul…

Strawman (Eph 4:14).  

Reply to Tisha Hoff

I don’t know about y’ll; but, I have a new developed sense of urgency and utter heartbreak for my loved ones and for other lost souls that are going to be left behind…[T]he Holy Spirit is engulfing me again, and lighting the fire in me and this time it's even a different sense of urgency it just feels different, like any minute he will be here!  He's at the door about to turn the knob…

I don’t know that additional time would encourage many to repent (Ge 6:3).  

Reply to Scarbrough

[Rejects Lordship]

For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sin (Heb 10:26 ).

"You cannot have a 'come in Savior' and a 'stay out Lord' (Ro 14:9)." ~ Adrian Rogers

Reply to Scarbrough

’Because they did this they’re not saved. ‘ You don’t know the heart.  So just have grace.

You assume the reprobate is saved.  We do not.  

“I prefer clarity to agreement.” ~ Dennis Prager  

We will know them by their fruits (Mt 7:20). If it looks like a reprobate, swims like a reprobate, and quacks like a reprobate, then it’s probably is a reprobate.

’That means they’re not saved…Because they did this they’re not saved.’

They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us (1 Jn 2:19).

See: 

Lordship  

View Post Leslie Collins

[Watching patterns] Can't you just except [sic] that you’re wrong and He will come when He comes. Our job is to spread the good news and be ready and waiting for His return.

Reply to Jaco Prinsloo

I do not give up that easily [SD], The Word says that the day of His return will not catch us unawares, which means we will know when it will happen. If we make mistakes along the way as we get closer it should be expected as we are not God and we are limited in our abilities to see into the future. However, I believe at some point, which could be today already, we will know and I will be ready.

That’s right.  King/priest spirit (Re 5:10):  It is the glory of God to conceal a matter, but the glory of kings is to search out a matter (Pr 25:2).  

Reply to Eve Marie McLellan Chase

Post the truth whether they love you, hate you, unfriend you or block you.  We’re here to feed the sheep not entertain the goats.

redbeer replied

People will be driving cars, buses, trains, flying airplanes and poof, they will be gone.  Is that about right?

Not enough that you’d notice (Mt 7:13-14).  

If people will just disappear, it will be noticed--no doubt about it.

You believe many people will go. I do not (Mt 7:13-14).     

“I prefer clarity to agreement.” ~ Dennis Prager

Reply to Dennis Martin

[To another member] …[Y]ou erred when trying to pinpoint a day.

11th Commandment:  Thou shalt not set a date for the rapture.

We all err.  What’s your point? 

David wanted to build a house for God (2 Sa 7:1–7).  Nathan said knock yourself out (2 Sa 7:1-3).  Was that what God wanted?  No.  Can a prophet get something wrong?  Yes, he can (2 Sa 7:4-7).  2 Pe 3:4.

See:

The Most Outstanding Prophetic Passage  J. Vernon McGee 

[The rest of the story 2 Sa 7] …[I]f you look at the end of that Chapter many things will become clear.

      “2.      The Lord’s response (7:8–17): to build a house for David.

         a.      The promise to David (7:8–11): The Lord declares that David’s kingdom will prosper and his name will be known throughout the world!

         b.      The promise to David’s descendant (7:12–15): The Lord promises to bless Solomon even after David’s death.

         c.      The promise to David’s descendants (7:16–17): The Lord promises that David’s dynasty will never end.

    B.      The prayer (7:18–29): With his heart filled with awe and gratitude, David praises the Lord for his promise.” Willmington, H. L. (1999). The Outline Bible (2 Sa 7:4–29). Wheaton, IL: Tyndale House Publishers.

Reply to Dennis Martin

[To another member] It is more important to warn our brothers and sisters of the coming day of the Lord preaching salvation to them rather than be right on a day that he comes.

Christians have warned reprobates throughout the centuries.  

I  pray that the Holy Spirit enlighten you with truth rather than make noise for the people.

Noise bible study

I do believe you have been born again but have stepped out on your own rather than follow at the pace of his spirit.

Ro 14:4, Ps 105:15

…This my brother I also did, until his spirit said woe come back here and let me teach you.

Did he say that audibly? 2 Pe 2:1

…Please slow your pace…

He’s retired.  How much slower can he go? Eph 4:14

…and wait upon the Lord.

We’ve been waiting for 2000 years.      

…for I know his Holy Spirit has not instructed you to quote days that were in error.

As the days fall off the calendar, the focus sharpens.  It doesn’t blur (Dan 12:4, 1 Co 13:12).

LOL.  Peace.  You need peace and the harmony from which only God can give you.

Proof please (Eph 4:14).  

Reply to Eric Broome

[Pre-trib]

Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.  Romans 5:9

And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come. 1 Thessalonians 1:10

For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ. 1 Thessalonians 5:9

Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.  Ephesians 5:6

God is jealous, and the Lord revengeth; the Lord revengeth, and is furious; the Lord will take vengeance on his adversaries, and He reserveth wrath for his enemies. Nahum 1:2 Prophetic Patterns Concealed in 2 Kings 2

Reply to Theresa L Kean'Church  

I couldn't even finish watching what a mockery of the Holy Spirit and grave offense to our Great and mighty Lord.

False Christ:  'My sheep follow me.'

Matt. 24:4-5, 24 Future Nephilim Re 14:9-10  

Reply to Winfrey

Stop being obsessive about being raptured.

Stop being obsessive about mocking and scoffing (Re 3:3) the watchmen (Ro 14:4, Ps 105:15).

"Lead, follow or get out of the way." ~ Thomas Paine

View Post Jaco Prinsloo

[Economist magazine cover] …What is interesting is that this event, as depicted on the Economist Magazine’s front cover, is associated with a heavenly sign involving the moon and the constellation Leo... more 

View Post Gary Gilmore

Sept 23rd came and went...get over it Jaco . Admit you were deceived or perish in your deception...

Reply to Jaco Prinsloo [To Gary] ...Having an incorrect understanding about God's timing as we move through time is expected - it does not mean that we are deceived, only that we do not understand perfectly yet.

Daniel didn’t understand (Dan 12:8) and he was a man greatly beloved (Dan 10:11) and highly esteemed (v 9).  Do you think you’ll be called greatly beloved and highly esteemed in heaven, Gary?

The Bible clearly tells us that we are fallible and as such we should expect to get it wrong before we get it right.

Isa 55:8-9 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

Does that mean that we should stop watching for the Lord's return, even if we get the timing wrong a few times? I believe that would be putting yourself in danger and I certainly will never stop watching!

Luk 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

View Post Tom Davis

[Facebook image during Jupiter/Venus conjunction]

Reply to Jack Nichols

Who holds a coffee cup that way anyhow?

“They think you’re stupid…”--the first sentence in Laura Ingraham’s book Shut Up and Sing: How Elites from Hollywood, Politics, and the Media are Subverting America.

Reply to Robert Stuch

…Be ever hopeful and ever fearful with your faith ever intact.

Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward. For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise (Heb 10:35–36).  

Reply to Shawn Raza

Don’t ask that question no one knows when the rapture is…

No one without the spirit of God (Ro 8:14, Heb 10:25, 1 Thess 5:4).   

He will add View Post

[Book of Revelation] ...John did not write this in exacting chronological order.

See:

Revelation:  The Apocalypse in Three Acts Brenda Weltner

TribulationSigns View Post

What is the Hope of National Israel?

If they are in Christ, they have our blessed hope of being raptured (Col 3:11, Tt 2:13).  If they reject their Messiah (Ro 11:25), then they will go into the tribulation.    

Jake1254 View Post

Christ died for the sins of the world. Some people refuse to believe the 'world' means exactly what it says.

And others leave out that repentance part (Ac 2:37, 38).

See:

Lordship

TomL View Post

Oh, are we going to see another date-setting?

We?  Our Day-timers look different.  Mine has a blessed hope (Tt 2:13).  Yours has a fearful expectation (Heb 10:27).  

Though the wicked sprout like grass and all evildoers flourish, they are doomed to destruction forever (Ps 92:7).

TribulationSigns View Post

...[Y]ou are a false prophet...

Let the reader decide (Eph 4:14). 

…[T]he scripture already decided against you.

Let the reader decide (Eph 4:14).  

TribulationSigns View Post

Being defiant will not help your case...

Hate evil.  Love good (Am 5:15).  It’s not the other way around (Eph 4:14).

TomL View Post

...[S]inning willfully after coming to a knowledge of the truth...

Proof please (Eph 4:14).

TribulationSigns View Post

Your mind must be warped....

2 Ti 1

TomL View Post

Approaching doom.  Lu 19:41 And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it…

Jews in Christ have no doom to worry about (Lk 21:36, Col 3:11, 1 Thess 5:9).  Jews who have not accepted their savior have something to worry about for 3 ½ years (first half of Daniel’s 70th week).

TribulationSigns View Post

Misapplication of Scripture...

Let the reader decide (Eph 4:14).

We go up.  You go down —sort of the way you lived, no? 1 Ti 1:19

Why The Rapture Can Happen at Anytime JD Farag 

TomL View Post

The temple was destroyed...

The next temple will also be destroyed at the mid-point of Daniel's 70th week. 

TomL View Post

...[N]o future temple will have anything to do with Mt 24.

SECTION OUTLINE TWENTY-THREE (MATTHEW 24)

The Olivet Discourse, part 1: Jesus foretells the future while speaking to his disciples on the Mount of Olives.

I.    The Content of Christ’s Sermon (24:1–26, 29)

A.  His remarks concerning the Temple destruction (24:1–3)

1.   The pride (24:1): Israel takes great pride in the Temple.

2.   The prophecy (24:2–3)

a.   Jesus’ revelation (24:2) : The Temple will someday be completely demolished!

b.   The disciples’ request (24:3) : The disciples want to know when!

B.  His remarks concerning the Tribulation destruction (24:4–14): Events of the first three and a half years.

1.   A time of apostasy (24:4–5, 11)

a.   The rise of false prophets (24:11) : False prophets will lead the people astray.

b.   The rise of false Christs (24:4–5): False messiahs will lead the people astray.

2.   A time of anarchy (24:6–8): Wars will break out!

3.   A time of apathy (24:12–13): The love of many will grow cold.

4.   A time of affliction (24:9–10): Believers will be hated, betrayed, and martyred.

5.   A time of accomplishment (24:14): The gospel will be preached to all nations.

C.  His remarks concerning the Tribulation destruction (24:15–26, 29): Events of the final three and a half years—the most severe part of the Great Tribulation.

1.   The wickedness against God (24:15–26)

a.   What the enemy will do (24:15, 23–26): Construct the sacrilegious object that causes desecration.

(1) The statue (24:15) : Assumed from Revelation 13:14–18.

(2) The subtlety (24:23–26): Many claim to be Christ.

b.   What the elect are to do (24:16–22): Run for the mountains!

2.   The wrath from God (24:29)

a.   The sun will be darkened (24:29a).

b.   The moon will not give light (24:29b).

c.   The stars will fall from the sky (24:29c).

d.   The powers of heaven will be shaken (24:29d).

II.  The Climax of Christ’s Sermon (24:27–28, 30–31, 40–41): The Second Coming.

A.  The signal (24:30): The Son of Man will appear in the heavens.

B.  The swiftness (24:27): As the lightning flashes across the sky.

C.  The summons (24:31): Angels will be sent forth with a mighty trumpet blast to gather the people of Israel from the farthest ends of the earth and heaven.

D.  The slaughter (24:28, 40–41): Armageddon!

1.   The assembling of the victims (24:40–41): One will be taken, another left.

2.   The appearing of the vultures (24:28): To eat the bodies of the slain warriors!

III. The Clue to Christ’s Sermon (24:32–35): The rebirth of Israel.

A.  The parable (24:32): A sprouting fig tree.

B.  The prophecy (24:33–34)

1.   The when (24:33)

2.   The who (24:34)

C.  The permanence (24:35): Heaven and earth will pass away, but his word is eternal.

IV. The Challenge from Christ’s Sermon (24:36–39, 42–51): Be watchful.

A.  The reason for this watchfulness (24:36, 42): No one knows when Christ will come!

B.  The reminder of this watchfulness (24:37–39)

C.  The reaction to this watchfulness (24:43–51)

1.   The wise servant (24:43–47): He watches and is rewarded.

2.   The wicked servant (24:48–51): He ignores the warning and is condemned.

 Willmington, H. L. (1999). The Outline Bible (Mt 24). Wheaton, IL: Tyndale House Publishers.

newbirth View Post

Christ died for us before we repented...

We do not forgive men before they repent (Lk 17:3).  God does not forgive men before they repent (Ezek. 18:31).

See:

Stop Me Before I Forgive Again!  By Bob Enyart 

Reply to Hamrick

Hanukkah is not going to be the rapture. 

Use less brain cells planning to commit adultery (Heb 13:4) and use more in bible study (2 Ti 2:15 ).

GISMYS View Post

Trump recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel=Huge End Days Sign. Muslim world now rages against the idea of President Trump recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel...

Cewl (Zech 12:2-3, Ps 48:8). 

roby3 View Post

Again, the real countdown won't begin ‘til the Antichrist comes ta power.

Again, nope (2 Pe 2:1).

See:

Order of Events 2 Thess 2 Missler  

Current Events Update Behold Israel

Reply to Jemmy Kay  

Why is it that when you talk to people about the end and Jesus coming soon they say:  no one knows the day or the hour.

Because they don't want to know the day or hour (Heb 10:27).

Reply to Tony Ray Branham

[Heb 10:27]

His bride looks for his return (Song 2:9).  His enemies do not (Re 3:3).  

Reply to Doug Adcock

This just shows how aware some of the unbelievers are right now. They actually would like to see us go. There is no getting through to them.

They’ve chosen their side (Mt 12:30).  

Reply to Aeriol Nicols

…[P]eople judging on others.

See:

Judge Rightly Is Not Some Guy's Name  Bob Enyart 

Reply to Theresa L Kean'Church

[Order of Events] This looks like a Khouse diagram.  Are you a student?

Missler is a fine servant of the Lord.  The man who replaced him—bad news (2 Pe 2:1).  

Serpent Dove what are you talking about Ron Matson? He also has been my teacher for over four years going on five full years and a very upright Godly man I have yet to find. Are you a student of Dr. Misslers or Ron Matson?

I think he's demonic (2 Pe 2:1).

Reply to Charlene Quek

What is unpardonable sin against Holy Spirit in today's context?

Blowing him off—again and again. 

“First you won’t repent.  Then, you can’t repent.” ~ Adrian Rogers Ro 1:28

Reply to Konnie Frazee Salo

I have a question. Why are the Jewish people hated by so many countries/people.

It naturally follows—when you hate God, you hate his people (Is 60:14).

Reply to Lauren Otterbein Dawejko

My family is asking me why it is significant that America recognize Jerusalem as capital of Israel…

Nations are deciding now if they’d like to be cut in pieces. 

And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people:  all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces (Zec 12:3a).   

Reply to Sirenrose Rose

Can that mosque on the temple mount be the abomination of desolation?

No (Re 11:2).  In 2020 the Jews will see with 20/20 vision.  

Reply to Craig Marti

Why is it that churches are not teaching on end time prophecy it is our blessed hope?

Mic 3:11

Rockettes:  Money Makes The World Go Around 

Daniel Marsh View Post

[Adam and Eve] Why let one man and one woman ruin it for everyone?

You’re going to see what God thinks of marriage (Heb. 13:4) and faithfulness (Mt 25:23).

roby3 View Post

Joel's prophecy is yet to be fulfilled.

Someone's been living under a rock (Eph 4:14). 

Reply to  Parable of the Vineyard

[Clarke conjecture:  rapture a year from now, must be on a FOT] 

“The church doesn’t have any trumpets that go along with it…” Full text:  Questions & Answers #3146 J. Vernon McGee.   

The Menorah is lite from the outside in, by the way.  

Reply to Linda Stanton

I have heard some say that the Holy Spirit will be removed during the tribulation. Would someone please give me the scriptures that confirm that?  

The Holy Spirit lives in us. When we’re gone, he’s gone. We had grace. Trib saints will need a testimony.

Order of Events 2 Thess 2 Missler  

Reply to Nate Jokiman

The Holy Spirit will still be around during Daniels 70th Week, He is not gone.

He’s God.  He can come or go as he likes.  The church age (the age of grace); however, will be over. 

LOL, but you said he gone.

Was he gone in the OT?  He came and went.  At Pentecost, he came and stayed.  When the rapture occurs, a new dispensation begins.  If you’d like to stick around to see precisely what that looks like, knock yourself out.  I’m the bride.  I’m outta here.  If you remain, you will never be known as the bride.  You may maintain a testimony and become a tribulation saint.  But, you’ll lose your head.  Getting in while the getting’s good occurs in the church age. 

You may be a bride or a short bus, late arrival.  Your choice.    

...You will find nowhere in scripture that the Holy Spirit is gone.  What you said ain’t biblical.

He who now restraineth will restrain, until he be taken out of the way (2 Thess 2:7b).

God removes His restraint in 2 Thes. 2:7-8 and His Church but the Holy Spirit will be working on earth during Daniels 70th Week.

If he’d like to.

We have to remember God is omnipresent and omniscient and omnipotent, so He is everywhere all at the same time…

Is he in your toilet?  Is he in all toilets all throughout the earth when human waste is flushed?

…[T]he only place He won’t be is hell and the lake of fire.

He can choose to think of you or not think of you. 

Only the Holy Spirit’s restraint is removed.

If you like to gamble, gamble.  Hanukkah’s over.  The light is going out.  Did you hear that Soros wants to take your eyeballs, too?  Good luck with that.

Reply to Linda Stanton @Nate. Jokiman I believe you are correct.

If you’re right, then God concentrates on the content of all of the toilets all over the earth at the same time.

The God of the bible; however, choses what to think about and what not to think about.  He can be present with you or not be present with you.

The meaning one pours into the omni’s and the im’s is important. 

If you believe that the Holy Spirit will remain the world just as he has during the church age, then I’ve got a bride to sell you.

An all new dispensation is coming to this planet.  Your last best offer to live is now.

Reply to Nate Jokiman

Linda, pray for him [ me].  I believe he understands and means well--just a bit hard-headed.

Your omni…/im… descriptions of God are rooted in Greek pagan thought not scripture (Eph 4:14).  

Reply to Linda Stanton

If the Holy Spirit is gone, there is no hope.

We, the bride, overcome (Re 12:11).  They, the tribulation saints, were overcome (Re 13:7)—two different people groups.   

“There’s always hope.  There’s just no chance.” ~ Dennis Prager

Reply to Nate Jokiman

They reckon that since the Holy Sprit indwells believers and since believers are removed from the earth at the rapture, the Holy Spirit then must be completely removed from the earth as well.

Where do you think the Holy Spirit resides?  Why do you think that time is called Jacob’s Trouble not Jacob’s fun time?

One of the attributes of God is omnipresence.

Must the Holy Sprit concentrate on your human waste and all human waste in all places and at all times or can he chose where to be and what to think about? 

That is, there is no nook or cranny in the entire universe that is hidden from the presence of God.

Is his attention on your toilet and on those in the place of the unrighteous dead? 

David said in Psalms that there is absolutely no place that a person could run to that God is not there.

Why did David plead, “Do not cast me away from your presence And do not take Your Holy Spirit from me.” Ps 51:11, NASB

…[A]fter the Rapture; He is still everywhere, including on the earth.

He who now restraineth will restrain, until he be taken out of the way (2 Thess 2:7b). 

Reply to Linda Stanton

Your obsession with the toilet is disturbing.

As you can chose what to think about, God can chose what to think about.

As you can chose with whom to spend your time, God can chose with whom to spend his time.

God can be more than you; but, he cannot be less.     

Reply to Suzanne Poland

Good grief, this group is becoming so contentious.

Ask the Greek pagans if God can change his mind?  Jer 18.  Or, if he sees a future that doesn’t exist yet?  Ge 22:12.  That’ll help (2 Pe 2:1).

Reply to Minister Paul

[Red horse]

Don’t you mean a red dragon?  Re 12:3  Around a black hole—perhaps it will look like a snake/dragon eating it’s own tail (ouroboros)?     

Reply to Blake213

[Red dragon]

Yes. The antichrist rides first and we’ll be outta here before then  (Re 6:2b).

Reply to Minister Paul

We are not told that we’ll see a red blob or a matrix ribbon.     

And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great, fiery red dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and seven diadems on his heads. His tail drew a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth (Re 12:3–4).

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Jesus will return very soon and rule the nations...

Did you forget about the first 3 1/2 years? The Antichrist gets his shot. Sort of left that part out. The Lord begins to reign 3 1/2 years in (Re 11:17). 

Reply to Michael Winner  

Rapture is a hoax found only in the Scofield Bible.

Not here:

Not all will sleep (1 Cor. 15:51; 1 Thess. 4:15, 17)

And here:

Dead in Christ will rise (1 Cor. 15:52; 1 Thess. 4:13, 14, 16)

And here:

Living to be transformed (1 Cor. 15:51–53)

And here:

Saints caught up (1 Thess. 4:16, 17)? Thomas Nelson Publishers. (1996). Nelson’s quick reference topical Bible index (p. 519). Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers. 

Reply to Skarlet Pike

I definitely think there are protections available for godly believers, based on the Revelations promises to the church of Philadelphia…

That’s true if indeed you are the church of Philadelphia.  How does one know if he is the church of Philadelphia?  He obeys God’s Commandments (Re 3:10).  If that previous sentence rubs you the wrong way, you’re not of the church of Philadelphia.  1 Jn 3:24

Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved (Ac 16:31).  If the ‘Lord’ part of the previous sentence annoys you, then you are not of the church of Philadelphia.  His children walk by the Spirit of God (Ro 8:14).  If that’s not happening, you’re not his.

…[A]nd also the Revelations 12 descriptions of the woman taken to the wilderness.

That’s Israel.  Not the church.

…[T]hose who choose death over the mark of the beast…

Those are trib saints.  We, the bride, overcame (Re 12:11).  They, the trib saints, were overcome (Re 13:7). 

…We have nothing to fear.

Yep. Our blues are almost over —nothin’ but blue skies from now on. Their blues have not yet begun. 

Reply to Michael Chapala Why does the Antichrist have to force anyone to take the mark?  

They’ll worship him or die. 

Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die, for I have not found your works perfect before God (Re 3:1–2).  

Reply to Justin Abraham

After the rapture do you think we’ll recognize and remember our loved ones—parents, brothers, sisters, husband, wife, son and daughter?

My pastor answers your question as follows:  Do you think we’ll be more stupid in heaven?

Reply to Rick Collins

I have a question. I was recently introduced to the term "pre-wrath rapture" and am not familiar with it. Is this another way of describing mid-tribulation rapture?  

It is and it’s a false teaching (2 Pe 2:1). We, the church, are not appointed unto wrath (1 Thess 5:9).  Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth (Re 3:10).

Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man (Lk 21:36). 

Reply to Nate Sine

I keep sinning the one sin I’m trying to overcome! I hate it and it makes me question my faith and if I’m saved or not. I feel very upset and confused! Satan is the author of confusion so that makes me even more doubtful in my salvation.

The apostle Paul felt the same way (Ro 7:15).  Those who sin and have no guilt are not saved (1 Jn 2:4).

Truly living for Jesus is so hard!

Yep (Lk 9:62). 

Pastor’s Dance Dance Revolution  

Reply to Suzanne Tarbuck

Which KJV study bible is the best one to use?

Here's how my pastor answers your question: Whichever one you'll read.

Reply to Watchman for that Great Day  

Think Trump is going in the rapture? 

Atheists Are Throwing a Fit Over Trump’s “Secret” Bible Study 

Reply to Toni Armstrong

If sin is what separated us from God, then why is Satan allowed to be in his presence.

Fallen angels have a different arrangement.  They cannot be saved.  Bummer for them (Matt. 25:41).  One day Satan will be cast out of heaven (Re 12:10).  

Reply to Sandra Balance

In the Garden of Eden, if the fruit contained the knowledge of good and evil, right and wrong, how then could Adam and Eve known that it was wrong to disobey God and eat the fruit?

They were told not to eat it (Ge 2:17).   

Reply to Stacy CS

Honor God and his institution of marriage (Gen. 2:18–24, Heb 13:4, Re 3:10).  

Reply to Baring the soul walking in Jesus

Oh sister that is so beautiful...

...Maybe Hollywood, Harvey and Hillary know—time’s up (Mt 12:30).  

Reply to Zhaii-Zhaii Gwapa

If you missed rapture or you are left behind, is it true that you still have a chance to be save if you don't accept the mark of the beast?

You do.  However, you have even more working against you—namely, the strong delusion (2 Thess 2:11).  If one wouldn’t get saved in an age of grace, why would he get saved when church is gone (if he even notices)?  He likely has already done away with any Christian influence in his life.   

God gives them what they wanted—a world without him or his people.     

Do you suppose that I came to give peace on earth? I tell you, not at all, but rather division. For from now on five in one house will be divided: three against two, and two against three. Father will be divided against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. Lk 12:51–53

Reply to Warren Weatherby

Then I guess the need for the 144,000, two witnesses and the angels who fly around preaching Gods word wouldn't be needed then.

Are you a Jew?  These are protected by God and go into the Millennium.  They had already been roughed up for 3 ½ years.  Their children (products of rape) carry beast DNA (Mt 24:19).

Millions will come to Jesus during the tribulation.

You’re an optimistic guy.  The ones that make it will be martyred (Re 6:10).  We overcame (Re 12:11).  They are overcome (Re 13:7).

…[M]any will make the rapture…

Many few Mt 7:14 

noemail001 View Post

Does the God described in the Bible have needs?

He had perfect fellowship in the Godhead (1 John 1:3); but, also desired fellowship with mankind (1 Cor. 1:9). 

Theophilos View Post

. . . Twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each one had a harp and they were holding golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of God’s people. Revelation 5:8

Why are saints in heaven the bringing prayers of God's people to God?

Prayers of the saints. Specifically, these prayers represent all that the redeemed have ever prayed concerning ultimate and final redemption. This becomes a major theme throughout the book (cf. 11:17, 18; 13:7, 9, 10; 14:12; 16:6; 17:6; 18:20, 24; 19:8; 20:9). MacArthur, J., Jr. (Ed.). (1997). The MacArthur Study Bible (electronic ed., p. 1999). Nashville, TN: Word Pub.

afaithfulone4u replied

You’ve got the biggest court date of your life ahead.

Human judgment.  Grounds of:  one’s works (1 Cor. 3:11–15), one’s faith (Matt. 7:22, 23), conscience (Rom. 2:12, 14–16), law (Rom. 2:12), gospel (Jas. 2:12), Christ’s Word (Jn. 12:48)….Results of:  separation of righteous from the wicked (Matt. 13:36–43), retribution for disobedience (2 Thess. 1:6–10)….Attitudes toward:  be prepared for (1 Thess. 5:1–9). Thomas Nelson Publishers. (1996). Nelson’s quick reference topical Bible index (p. 358). Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers.

DANNO View Post

...Gal 5: 14 "For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one commandment: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”

If you’re not doing that, you’re not a Christian.

Our love for God is proven by our love for one another (4:7–8, 11, 19–21). Willmington, H. L. (1999). The Outline Bible (1 Jn 4:7–8). Wheaton, IL: Tyndale House Publishers. 

DANNO View Post

[Heb 13:17 Concluding religious directions]

  II.      A WORD ABOUT LEADERS (13:7, 17–19, 22–25)

    A.      The author tells his readers to honor and obey the spiritual leaders of their church (13:7, 17).

      1.      Let them serve as role models (13:7).

      2.      Submit to their authority (13:17).

    B.      The author tells his readers to pray for the spiritual leaders outside their church (13:18–19, 22–25).

      1.      He refers to himself (13:18–19, 22).

      2.      He refers to Timothy (13:23–25). 

Willmington, H. L. (1999). The Outline Bible (Heb 13:6–25). Wheaton, IL: Tyndale House Publishers.

[Heb 13:17 Sacrifices pleasing to God]

You do not believe Hebrews is inspired (2 Pe 2:1). I do.

“I prefer clarity to agreement.” ~ Dennis Prager 

Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you [Heb. 13:17].

We had this same thought in verse 7. If your pastor is a man of God who is teaching the Word of God then you are to obey the Word of God as he has given it to you. It would be better to not hear the Word of God, than to hear it and not obey it. McGee, J. V. (1991). Thru the Bible commentary: The Epistles (Hebrews 8-13) (electronic ed., Vol. 52, p. 149). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.   

Reply to Petero Mua Vunibobo

Will I go to hell if I really can’t bring myself to believe in Christianity?

“You aren’t saved by the plan of salvation.  You’re saved by the man of salvation.” ~ Adrian Rogers  Matt. 12:17–21 

WDG View Post

Am I the only one who is disenchanted with the music in Church?

Could be your worship team is not anointed. 

Anointed with what?

2 Cor. 1:21, 22; 1 John 2:20, 27  

Reply to Mitieli Vatubuli

[D]o we have to accept the deity of Christ to be counted as Christians?

Yes.  Deity of Jesus:  prophecy (Is. 9:6), acknowledged by Christ (John 20:28, 29), acclaimed by witnesses (John 1:1, 14, 18), affirmed by apostles (Rom. 9:5; Heb. 1:8). Thomas Nelson Publishers. (1996). Nelson’s quick reference topical Bible index (p. 134). Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers. 

Mid-East Prophecy Update JD Farag 

View Post Matthew Sherman 

I hope this helps the Vatican has paid a lot of money to a lot of people to try to take the focus off from them and prophecy and place it on to somebody else such as the USA. However historically the Vatican has always been the best way to describe it would say the Beast system. The pope himself has always been described as the spirit of the antichrist throughout the ages he may not be the Antichrist in the end he may be the false prophet but he definitely has the spirit of antichrist. One of the best ways to discern this is to look up the biblical definitions for blasphemy there's only two.

The first one is a man claiming to be God on Earth or in place of God on Earth. Two a man claiming to have the ability to forgive sins.

Babylon USA Debunked as a Papal Propaganda Film husky394xp  

Reply to David Milam

Is smoking a desire of the flesh?

Who cares? Mt 23:23

Reply to Sandra Balance

Answer the Skeptic:  The Bible is full of contradictions.

Recommended reading:

The Big Book of Bible Difficulties: Clear and Concise Answers from Genesis to Revelation by Norman L. Geisler and Thomas Howe 

Reply Glenda Bardgett

In heaven we will love everyone?  

They are our family—of course we will.  We are the only ones who love now (Jn 13:34, 1 Jn 4:8).  We love more in heaven after we leave these meat bags.  Those who stay here wanted to.  

View Post Julie Hill Wilson

If a person doesn't believe in the rapture, is their salvation in question or just a loss of a reward?

Reply to Joan Middleton

Believing in the rapture doesn't get a person ready to go to heaven for when the rapture happens.

We’re praying for them.  Maybe that’ll help.

Intercession—prayer offered in behalf of others.  Purposes of:  secure healing (James 5:14–16), avert judgment (Num. 14:11–21), insure deliverance (1 Sam. 7:5–9), give blessings (Num. 6:23–27), obtain restoration (Job 42:8–10), encourage repentance (Rom. 10:1–4).  Thomas Nelson Publishers. (1996). Nelson’s quick reference topical Bible index (p. 319). Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers. 

Reply to Alicia Hall

In what ways can we determine if something is a salvation issue?

Don’t hate sin? Salvation issue (Ro 7:15).  

Reply to Gregg Malin

[Leviticus 23:40-43, Isaiah 26:19-21]

The Festival of Shelters (Lev. 23:33–44):.. 

Reply to Melba Noromor Madeja

Can anyone find me a verse that says the bible is the foundation and ground of truth? 

Ps 119:160   

Reply to Suzanne Tarbuck

I copied and pasted this part from a link about this Jewish holiday. Rev 21:3 caught my eye.

A new era coming.

And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

  And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away [Rev. 21:3–4].

And I heard a great voice out of the throne saying, Behold the tabernacle [Gr.: skene, tent] of God (is) with men, and He shall tabernacle with them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself shall be with them, and be their God; and God shall wipe away every tear from their eyes; and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying nor pain, any more; the first things are passed away. 

“Behold the tabernacle [tent] of God is with men.” What is the tent? We are told by John in John 1:14, “And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt [pitched His tent] among us….” That flesh was crucified on the cross, and He was raised in a glorified body. We, too, are going to have glorified bodies, and we are going to live with Him in the New Jerusalem. The golden street is not really important. What difference does it make what kind of asphalt you walk on? It is important to know the psychological and spiritual values that will be there.

“They shall be His people, and God Himself shall be with them, and be their God.” Certain things that definitely are prominent today are going to be removed: “God shall wipe away every tear from their eyes.” A columnist years ago wrote: “For every light that burns on Broadway, there is a broken heart.” Several times my wife and I have driven up into the Hollywood hills and have looked down on that blanket of light which is Hollywood. I have said to my wife, “For every light down there, there is a broken heart.” There is many a sad and lonely person in this world, but in the New Jerusalem there are not going to be any more tears.

“And death shall be no more”—that is going to be a very marvelous improvement. Since you began reading this chapter, a number of funeral processions have taken place. People are dying all the time. There is a continual march to the cemetery. I once knew an engineer who in the early days had a great deal to do with the planning and plotting of the great freeways which crisscross this country today. I asked him, “Is it going over the mountains or down through the valleys or crossing the rivers that is the biggest problem for you?” He replied, “The big problem is missing the cemeteries.” This earth is a great cemetery today, but all of that is going to end. There will be no burying ground in the New Jerusalem. The undertaker will be out of business. Even the doctors are going to be out of business because there is not going to be any crying, “… neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. McGee, J. V. (1991). Thru the Bible commentary: The Prophecy (Revelation 14-22) (electronic ed., Vol. 60, pp. 168–170). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

    B.      What he hears (Re 21:3–8)

      1.      The words of the angel (21:3–4)

         a.      He says God himself will mingle among his people (21:3) .

         b.      He says God himself will minister to his people (21:4) .

      2.      The words of the Almighty (21:5–8)

         a.      He will be the Father to all the saved (21:5–7).

         b.      He will be the foe to all the unsaved (21:8) : They will be cast into the lake of fire. Willmington, H. L. (1999). The Outline Bible (Re 20:2–21:8). Wheaton, IL: Tyndale House Publishers.  

Reply to Suzanne Tarbuck

[Tents]

Tents are figurative for heaven (Is. 40:22).  Paul describes us as tents.

  I.      THE REASSURANCE (5:1–8): Paul speaks concerning our new bodies.

    A.      The old body (5:1a, 2a, 3–4a, 6–8)

      1.      Referred to as an earthly tent (5:1a)

      2.      Filled with groans and sighs (5:2a)

      3.      Dying (3–4a)

      4.      Unable to see Jesus face-to-face (5:6–8)

    B.      The new body (5:1b, 2b, 4b–5)

      1.      Referred to as a home in heaven (5:1b)

      2.      Without groans or sighs (5:4b)

      3.      Eternal (5:2b

      4.      Able to see Jesus face-to-face (5:5) Willmington, H. L. (1999). The Outline Bible (2 Co 5). Wheaton, IL: Tyndale House Publishers. 

Reply to Jason P. Duronslet

I think the child of Israel is the Christian Church not Christ Himself.

Maybe.  All of these details are getting buttoned up quickly.  2 Feb 18 is an interesting day.   

Reply to Gregg Malin

…[A]nd the proof that the woman is Israel is that it's the same exact imagery that Joseph saw in his vision.

Seems like it.  Clarke conjectures that the rapture must occur on a FOT (as do serial adulterer Toney, and wanna be serial adulterer Hamrick [Rom. 7:2, 3]).  I don’t think that the rapture has to occur on a Jewish feast.

Cc. Satan’s minions Toney, Hamrick  

Reply to Gregg Malin

His mistake was looking at it as an 'event marker' instead of a 'sign.'  Big difference.

There are not markers or signs for us (though we’ll know [1 Thess 5:4]).  Satan’s guess isn’t any better than ours.  This isn’t about him as much as he’d like it to be.  I don’t care if U2’s latest video sells as Trump  missing (as if he Stormy Daniels, Melania so-called Trump   and whatever other hookers he’s allowed into his bed are going in the rapture [Re 3:10]). If they can’t find Trump, check the VD clinic (1 Co 6:9-10).

Reply to Taehyung Kim

[Organ harvesting] One of the reasons I don’t want to live here on earth anymore. I just wanna stay forever with God where I’m safe.  I wanna go home. The world is full of cruel people.

Not where we want to be.

As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world (Jn 17:18).

We must be salt and light (Mt 5:13-16).  

Aussieguy replied

Jesus is not returning any time soon…

He comes to you as a thief (1 Thess 5:2) not us (1 Thess 5:4).  

Reply to Parable of the Vineyard

Checking at the thought level (Acts 8:22).

Thank you for introducing us to these fine servants of our Lord.  

Reply to Skarlet Pike

I do believe in post-trib rapture, and I do have food stored up for myself and my.  Working on getting water storage, too.

Why is that?  Did Rome convince you that you are Israel?  Skarlet Pike—not a Jew.

And even if I believed in pre-trib, I am glad to be doing this prep, so that others may benefit in times of famine…

Their loved ones are going to get their fingers chopped off one in front of them to encourage them to take the mark of the beast.  And, you’re making sandwiches?

Nowhere in scripture are we told to horde:  guns, gold or groceries.  We are told to share the gospel of Jesus Christ (Ac 20:20).

God has ensured that this time will be great tribulation for the world (Mt 24:21).  Your tea and crumpets will mean exactly nothing. 

…[I]f they don't take the mark--not being able to buy or sell.

No more Gucci, no more food, no more water—no more head!  We overcame (Re 12:11).  They will be overcome (Re 13:7).  Your Starbucks gift card won’t mean a thing to them.  They will die for their faith if they are ever to see heaven. 

Reply to Skarlet Pike

That's your take on things.

My take on things is irrelevant (Eph 4:14).  God’s take on things is relevant (1 Thess 5:9).

I don't believe I'm a Jew except in the sense that I was grafted in.

Learn to rightly divide the word (2 Ti 2:15).  Rome lies (Jud 11).  Replacement theology is false.  If you think you’re going through the Great Tribulation (and you might be [Re 3:2 ]), then you do not know your bible.

The church is not Israel and Israel is not the church.  Less prep.  More bible study.

I think that little things can make a difference.

God intended for this time on the earth to be great tribulation.  You’re knitting sweaters.  

If food means that a believer survives longer…

You’re sort of missing the point of a great tribulation.  Trib saints will (not maybe, kinda-sort-a) die.  They will all be dead after 3 ½ years.  After the last trib saint is martyred, the two witnesses also die.   

If the gospel is left with the food…

You and the food. No one gives a damn about your food!  One cannot eat food without one’s head!    

[Food prep] …Joseph was sent into Egypt with that exact purpose: to store up food for the upcoming time of famine.

You’re a Mormon with lots of cans in your basement, aren’t you? 2 Pe 2:1

For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be (Mt 24:21, emphasis mine).   

You can buy painters pants with 12 pockets and fill them all with food.    You’re not going to survive!

Famine is one of the first horsemen to come along.

Mad Max will steal your beans and Tang in 12 minutes.  

Reply to Skarlet Pike

You are obviously a person who is very attached to their own ideas…

My ideas are irrelevant (Eph 4:14).  God’s ideas are relevant.  You’ve got bigger problems than hunger.  You do not know your bible.  You have a sense that you’re staying after the rapture of the church--you might be--because you’re just one of those people who has to learn the hard way.

It’s a big world—made up of all kinds of people.

No one, not even "non-Jews"…

Ga 3:28

…is getting out of here before Christ comes back…

The rapture is not the second coming and the second coming is not the rapture.  There are no signs for the rapture.  There are all kinds of signs for the second coming.  Learn to rightly divide the word.  The church has one program.  Israel has another.  They are not the same thing (2 Pe 2:1).

…except by death.

Not all sleep (1 Cor. 15:51; 1 Thess. 4:15, 17).

…[S]ome of us…

Learn the difference between the church and Israel.  A saved Jew today is a member of Christ’s church.  An unsaved Jew today goes into the tribulation. 

Speak of yourself as a soon-to-be trib saint (which may be accurate [Re 3:2 γνῶθι σεαυτόν ]), but do not speak of yourself as a church member. 

…will survive to the end…

No trib saint survives.  We overcame (Re 12:11).  They are overcome (Re 13:7).

They wait under the alter to join the rest of us (Re 6:10).

You have your plan.  I have mine.

I have faith.  You have error (Ga 5:9).

The apocalypse is about to go down…

Way later.  You’re ignorant.  That is not calling you stupid—that is calling you unformed.

…[Y]ou and I can see which of our plans works out better.

Your plan proves that you are biblically illiterate.  

Reply to Kristi Baillie-Rice

…[S]ince you're a believer Serpent Dove, let me admonish you humbly to speak with love…

Love tells the truth (Ac 20:20).

…to your sister in Christ.

You believe she is a Christian.  I do not (2 Pe 2:1). 

“I prefer clarity to agreement.” ~ Dennis Prager

Why such anger?

No anger (Eph 4:14).  This person deceives (2 Ti 3:7) knowingly or unknowingly; but, make no mistake—she deceives (2 Pe 2:1).

We both know believers have different views…

"Every verse of the Bible means exactly what the author intended it to mean.” ~ Darrell Ferguson  

Reply to Darren-Lisa Johnson

Well, one doesn't need to be a Mormon to store food.  Lots of our extended family are Mormon and I hope they get ahold of mine when the rapture happens…

Sound teaching matters now (Jn 9:4, Jas 3:1).    

Reply to Skarlet Pike

You are too prideful.

You’re projecting again (Eph 4:14).

…In my view, you are wrong about the Bible…

One of us tells the truth (Ac 20:20) and the other is a false teacher (2 Pe 2:1).

Let the reader decide (Eph 4:14).

…It is prideful to assume that your human interpretation is infallible.

Strawman (Eph 4:14).

My interpretation is irrelevant.  "Every verse of the Bible means exactly what the author intended it to mean..." Full text: How to Interpret the Bible by Darrell Ferguson  

You think that your human interpretation--that only Jews will be here for the war on the saints…

Unbelieving Jews and tribulation saints remain.  The church is gone.   

Reply to Chained To Be Free Ministries

When a person has an issue with another person and cannot forgive them, then they really have an issue with God.

Lk 17:3

Resolve it before your court date comes up at the Great White Throne of Judgment.

After you repent (Mark 11:25, 26), make restitution (Ex. 22:3–12).

No matter what anyone has done to you, it's not worth going to hell for eternity over.

Do you mean for them? Mt 18:18

…[Y]our court date will come sooner or later…

Are you speaking to the criminal or the victim of the crime?  I hope you know the difference (2 Pe 2:1).

See:

Stop Me Before I Forgive Again!  By Bob Enyart  

Reply to Skarlet Pike

1 Thess. was talking about the resurrection.

SECTION OUTLINE FOUR  (1 THESSALONIANS 4) OB 

Reply to Skarlet Pike

I know that God's wrath will never fall on me.

What reason would you have to believe that?  Those who are indwelled by the spirit of God are led into all truth (Jn 16:13).  You’re a heretic (2 Pe 2:1).  That’s not happening for you.

…I am ready if I need to face the wrath of the antichrist.

1 Thess 5:9

I'm just saying be mentally ready for martyrdom…

Do you come from a work-based religion? 2 Pe 2:1

…I am already mentally ready for the rapture…

Doubt it (Re 3:2).  Examine yourself.  See if you’re in the faith (2 Co 13:5).  

Reply to Valles

Look up, and lift your head for your redemption draweth nigh…think year of redemption…

Good point because how could it be a Jubilee (which is supposed to be a good thing for the Jews) when such trouble/tribulation is coming for them? 

Jews in Christ of course go with us in the rapture (Ga 3:28).    

Reply to Maskey

[May 14th 2018, Israel 70 years]

Some believe we are presently in a Jubilee year which ends on 16 Mar 18.

[Mt 24, Rapture/Second coming]

Mt 24 is about the second coming (signs, etc.).  Has nothing to do with the rapture.  The rapture is the next even to occur on God’s prophetic calendar (imminent).  The second coming occurs 3 ½ years after the rapture.

See:

What is the difference between the Rapture and the Second Coming?    

Reply to roypotterqa

[Evidence can carry on relationship with departed loved ones]

False (2 Pe 2:1).  

And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.’ Lk 16:26

It’s not evil to seek these things.

Yes, it is (Deut. 18:11, 12).

See:

Magic Spells & Divination 

Mid-East Prophecy Update JD Farag

Reply to Winfrey  

God is outside space and time.

False.  This idea comes from Greek paganism not scripture. 

See:

Thread: Openness Theology - Does God Know Your Entire Future? - Battle Royale X

Reply to Watchman for that Great Day

Come on barley!

Reply to Francis Santarose

[Regarding the month] Depends on the barley (end of Jubilee Mar vs. Apr) and the barley is looking good now for a March [firstfruits offering (Aviv or Abib]) with the people in Israel who watch that stuff.

[Regarding the year] Looks good for this year if we see nations perish (e.g.. 3 or 4 Mar 18 [See:   God’s Roadmap to the End]).

View Post Jaco Prinsloo

If you have followed my posts and videos you will know that I believe the final sign before we are taken out of the world will be that of Israel being surrounded by its enemies who will rush toward the country to destroy it... more

Hakawaka View Post

No rapture on March 20th.

The end of the Jubilee is more likely.

Stop the false prophecies.

Proof please (Eph 4:14).

No man knoweth the day nor the hour.

Too bad you didn’t study after Mt 25:13.

"Too bad." ~ Seth Brundle, The Fly

Stop this sensational madness at once.

You recommend we stop watching (Eph 4:14). I do not (Re 3:3).  

“I prefer clarity to agreement.” ~ Dennis Prager

No rapture.

You’ll do better without your head (Re 13:7).

[The end of the Jubilee is more likely.] Watching is not making false predictions…

You do not believe that the end of 5777 is significant.  I do.   

“I prefer clarity to agreement.” ~ Dennis Prager

…This is making Christianity look really bad.

You’re projecting again (2 Pe 2:1, Re 3:3).

…[M]y proof is that sun will rise on March 21st…

Agreed.  You’ve got 3 ½ long years to go (Re 13:7).   More if you’re an earth-dweller.

…and no rapture has occurred.

The sun will shine after saints are caught up (1 Thess. 4:16, 17).  

Genuine verses Counterfeit Preaching Matthew Patrick Winfrey  

Reply to Kay Tdid

Because you have kept my word about patient endurance, I will keep you from the hour of trial that is coming on the whole world (Re 3:10).  

noble View Post

What verse tells you there was a rapture after that?

The rapture has not occurred yet, preterist (2 Pe 2:1).

I agree with you.  No rapture has occurred yet.

The Jubilee ends next month. Tick...tick...tick... 2 Pe 2:1  

noble View Post

How much do you want to bet a nickel that when your jubilee ends there will be no rapture? How much do you want to bet a nickel that when your great, great, great, great grandchild is born and if that grandchild lives 120 years they will not see the rapture either?

We remain watchful (2 Tim 4:8).  You do not.  “I prefer clarity to agreement.” ~ Dennis Prager

Reply to la cuccaracha

Serpent Dove The hour of trial/temptation is when the government asks you if you will take the mark of the beast.

False (2 Pe 2:1).  Tribulation saints are not spared from trial (Re 13:7).  In fact, they will die if they are ever to be saved (Re 13:7).  We overcame (Re 12:11) and are therefore going in the rapture. 

Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth [Rev. 3:10].

“Because thou didst keep the word of my patience, I, also, will keep you out of (from) the hour of the trial, which is (about) to come upon the whole inhabited world to test (try) them that dwell upon the earth.

7. This last commendation is that this church kept the Word of Christ in patience. This is evidently the patient waiting for the coming of Christ for His own (see 2 Thess. 3:5). It has been in the present century that the doctrines of eschatology have been developed more than in all previous centuries combined. During the past forty years, there has been a revival of interest, both in Europe and in America, in fact, all over the world, relative to the second coming of Christ. Even the liberals talk about it now and then.

“Because thou hast kept the word of my patience.” I believe that God today is still patient with a world that has rejected His Word. It is not like it was back in the days of Noah. They didn’t have the written Word of God, yet God judged them; they did have a man bringing the message to them. But today we do have the Word of God. There is a Gideon Bible in practically every hotel and motel room throughout the world. In the different countries of Europe, Asia, and Africa, I find that the Word of God has penetrated all of these areas. The Philadelphian church is the church that believed in the Word of God.

“I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.” Christ’s final word of encouragement to His church is that it will not pass through the Great Tribulation. The church is to be removed from the world (see 1 Thess. 4:13–18), which is its comfort and hope (see Titus 2:13). Such is the patient waiting of the church “… who through faith and patience inherit the promises” (Heb. 6:12). The church is not anticipating the Great Tribulation with all of its judgment (see John 5:24; Rev. 13:1–8, 11–17), but rather it is looking for Him to come.

“The hour of temptation” is definitely a reference to the Great Tribulation—it’s worldwide. After the preliminaries are put down in chapters 4–5, in chapters 6–19 you have presented the Great Tribulation period. This is the period that He says is coming upon all the world to test those that are upon the earth.

“I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation.” He says that He will keep them not only from that awful holocaust that is coming on this earth, that period of judgment, but also from the hour of temptation. Therefore, this is to my judgment a complete deliverance. When he says, “keep thee from the hour,” I have translated it, “keep thee out of the hour of trial.” By any stretch of the imagination, you could not say that this church is going through the Great Tribulation period. I believe that the period of the Philadelphian church continues right on through to the rapture of the church. This is the church which will go out at the time of the Rapture.

The church of Laodicea, as we shall see, is an organization which will continue on in the world, although the Lord gives a marvelous invitation to it, and many even in that Laodicean church will turn to Christ and be taken out at the time of the Rapture. But there is a church that goes through the Great Tribulation period, and that is the apostate church, the church of Laodicea.

What we have here, therefore, is the coming of Christ to take His own out of the world and His promise to the church of Philadelphia that it will not go through that particular period that is coming on the earth.

I would like to give here another quotation from Dr. John Walvoord’s book, The Revelation of Jesus Christ:

If the rapture had occurred in the first century preceding the tribulation which the book of Revelation describes, they were assured of deliverance. By contrast, those sealed out of the twelve tribes of Israel in 7:4 clearly go through the time of trouble. This implies the rapture of the church before the time of trouble referred to as the great tribulation. Such a promise of deliverance to them would seemingly have been impossible if the rapture of the church were delayed until the end of the tribulation prior to the second coming of Christ and the establishment of the kingdom.” McGee, J. V. (1991). Thru the Bible Commentary: The Prophecy (Revelation 1-5) (electronic ed., Vol. 58, pp. 106–107). Nashville: Thomas Nelson. 

Reply to barncat

[Image Mk 15:2] So what's your point?

The answer was yes (Mk 15:2). 

Reply to Lionel Nation

[Does not believe in demons]

Jesus believed in demons.  Are you smarter than him?   

  I.      JESUS RELEASES A DEMON-POSSESSED MAN (5:1–20)

    A.      The despair (5:1–5): This man is continuously tormented by a large number of demons.

      1.      The man lives among the tombs (5:1–3a).

      2.      No one can keep him chained (5:3b–4).

      3.      He constantly screams out and hits himself with stones (5:5) .

    B.      The deliverance (5:6–13): Jesus speaks to the evil spirits within the man.

      1.      The panic of these demons (5:6–7): In great fear they beg Jesus not to torment them before their time.

      2.      The plea of these demons (5:8–13)

         a.      The request (5:9–12): The demons ask for permission to enter a large herd of pigs nearby.

         b.      THE results (5:13) : Jesus allows it, and the possessed pigs run into the lake and drown.

         c.      The release (5:8) : The man is set free!

    C.      The disbelief (5:14–17): The pig owners and townspeople come running out to see what has happened.

      1.      What they see (5:14–16): They see the former madman now sitting, clothed, and in his right mind!

      2.      What they say (5:17) : They all urge Jesus to go away and leave them alone!

    D.      The desire (5:18–20)

      1.      The request by the man (5:18) : He begs to be allowed to go with Jesus.

      2.      The reply by the Messiah (5:19–20): The Savior declines, asking the man to share his testimony with others. Willmington, H. L. (1999). The Outline Bible (Mk 5). Wheaton, IL: Tyndale House Publishers. 

Reply to Scarbrough

[Those who have repented] They are the ones that will be told ‘Depart from me I never knew you’.  Because why?  They will say ‘Well, I cast out demons and I did this and I did that…’.

You’re projecting again (Eph 4:14).  Is that what the verse says? Deut. 4:2, Rev. 22:18–20

And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity (Mt 7:23, emphasis mine).  

You spend most of your time quoting Dallas Theological Cemetery and assuring false converts who live like the devil that they’re going to heaven. 

Does your gospel (Gal. 1:6-12) exclude repentance? Acts 2:37, 38

“God loves you; but, he will live without you.” ~ J. Vernon McGee

Jesus loves you (Jn 3:16). Jesus is willing to save you (2 Pe 3:9). Repent (Eze 18:30-32; Ac 17:30). Believe (Mk 9:23). 

Jude, Times Up Francis Santarose  

Reply to Nemo V

[Cut the immorality out of our lives]

Theology Thursday: The Bible's Criminal Code by Bob Enyart   

Reply to Xenomorphing

Studying Q is like studying the bibles.  We all look at it religiously.

I have no hermeneutic for studying Q.    He/she/it is a little too little and a little too late.  When his/her/their tidal wave hits, the church is outta here.

I’m in it to win it (Phil 3:14).  

The Resurrection of Jesus: An Inconvenient Fact

Ginger3855 View Post
So if I post the truth that the rapture is in the "Middle" of the 7-year and is not called the 7-year tribulation but rather the "Tribulation/Rapture/Wrath…

False. The bible teaches a pre-trib rapture (1 Thess 5:9, Lk 21:36). Pre-wrath is just a twist on mid-trib (2 Pe 2:1). 

…and would you like to know why the New World Order has deceived our church…
Why would they care about our rapture? They know they’re not going.  They don't want us around. Haven't you noticed? 

SoCalExile View Post

… A pre-wraith guy says that the Trib begins at the 1st Seal, but the rapture is at the 6th…

False (2 Pe 2:1). The rapture occurs prior to the tribulation. 

The bride overcame (Re 12:11). Trib saints will be overcome (Re 13:7). 

…[A] pre-Trib guy will say that the Trib starts and we are raptured at the 6th Seal…

False (2 Pe 2:1). Church/bride and trib saints—two different people groups. They arrive at two different times (if they arrive at all).

…[T]he only timeline that matters is God's.

Move over Sophocles (Ingraham). 1 Thess 5:4  

SoCalExile View Post

I dealt with your argument directly.

Non causae ut causae Eph 4:14 

On Israel’s 70th, become a part of history as you look back on it

Israel and the Secret of 70

Highlights from Independence Day torch-lighting ceremony

Reply to Ryan D Hall @ProphetPX

There is no "special truth for special people"…

Strawman (Eph 4:14).

Reply to Lionel Nation

[Born again Christian] There are extremes…

When you meet Jesus face to face, do you think you’ll have wished you’d lived an extreme life for him? Phil 2:17, 1 Co 1:18

[Evil]

That which is opposed to good. 

Nana View Post
Titus 2:13 Our bridegroom is coming soon, keep looking up.

I think you're right. 

Mid-East Prophecy Update JD Farag

Reply to Watchman for that Great Day

Did abib get us again?

I don't really know; but, what I do know is we are at the time of the 70 years being fulfilled!    

Reply to   Zaphenath Paneah ​

…"Peace and Safety!" Then sudden destruction.

That’s what I’m listening for.  Little brother Natan said when all hell breaks loose, the IDF lasts for two days (Joe 2:28).

Storm exposes 70-year-old copy of independence declaration

Reply to J.D. Farag   

"..."There must be “a falling away first.” Many have interpreted this to mean the apostasy, and I agree that it does refer to that. But I think it means more than that, as a careful examination of the word will reveal. The Greek word that is here translated as “falling away” is apostasia. The root word actually means “departure or removal from.”

Paul says that before the Day of the Lord begins there must first come a removing. There are two kinds of removing that are going to take place. First, the organized church will depart from the faith—that is what we call apostasy. But there will be total apostasy when the Lord comes, and that cannot take place until the true church is removed. The Lord asked, “… when the Son of man cometh [to the earth], shall he find [the] faith … ?” (Luke 18:8). When He says “the faith,” He means that body of truth which He left here. The answer to His question is no, He will not find the faith here when He returns. There will be total apostasy because of two things: (1) the organization of the church has departed from the faith—it has apostatized and (2) there has been another departure, the departure of the true church from the earth. The departure of the true church leads into the total apostatizing of the organized church. The Day of the Lord cannot begin—nor the Great Tribulation period—until the departure of the true church has taken place.

Paul is not going into detail about the rapture of the church because he has already written about that in his first epistle: “For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord” (1 Thess. 4:16–17). That is the departure, the removal, of the church.

The organized church which is left down here will totally depart from the faith. We see it pictured as the great harlot in Revelation 17. The Laodicean church, which is the seventh and last church described in the Book of Revelation, is in sad condition. I think that is the period we are in right now. When the true believers are gone, it will get even worse. It will finally end in total apostasy.

From the viewpoint of the earth the removal of believers is a departure. From the viewpoint of heaven, it is a rapture, a snatching or catching up. I think the world is going to say at that time, “Oh, boy, they are gone!” They think that fellow McGee and other Bible teachers are a nuisance, and they will be glad when they are gone. The world will rejoice. They do not realize that it will be a sad day for them. They think they will be entering into the blessing of the Millennium, not realizing they are actually entering into the Great Tribulation period, which will be a time of trouble such as the world has never before seen." McGee, J. V. (1991). Thru the Bible commentary: The Epistles (1 and 2 Thessalonians) (electronic ed., Vol. 49, pp. 118–119). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

Passover 2018 is on Israel's 70th Anniversary - 05/13/18 Mikal Shabbat Scriptural Studies

Will the 70 Years of the Fig Tree / Israel bring Judgment to the World Adrian Lindauer  

Danoh 
...I hold that this Mystery age is a sign-less one, but I'll look at that video anyway - even a stopped clock is right twice a day...
...I agree—signs aren’t for us.  They are for the Jews.  Nevertheless—interesting times. 

I think we’ll know (1 Thess 5:4); but they’ll be a bit behind the curve (Mt 24:44).  

Oh wow, crazy talk. Ok, new vids should be coming out today. I’m sure there’ll be one to recommend soon. 

 That’s where ya wanna be.

Exactly. Until then, we’ve got work to do.     

Reply to Anon

Biblefags, time to tie all of Q's Bible verses together. 

We may be outta here soon.

Reply to Dewey Osborne

[To another member] How would you approach a random person to start a conversation about Jesus?

Whatever you say, say it now.  He could be meeting us in the air tonight (1 Thess. 4:16, 17).  Aliens dropping from the sky to follow.

 "Whatever you're gonna do, do it fast!" ~ Private Vasquez, Aliens 

The End of the Jubilee Part 5 Brenda Weltner  

 

 

 

 

A 7 Year or 3 and a Half Year Tribulation? Robert Breaker  

The Sound Of The Shofar Blowing In Jerusalem For Rosh Hashana Marks The Start Of The Most Prophetic Month In Bible Prophecy

Reply to Watchman for that Great Day

Does this vid help to understand this ‘last great day’ concept? 

High 'watch' for Jesus Christ Maranatha Amen   

The Great Pyramid Decoded -- The Oracle in Stone Danielsweek  

Reply to God’s Gift

[Jesus and Michael are brothers]

False (2 Pe 2:1).  Your false claim is similar to Mormon teaching:  Jesus is the spirit brother of Lucifer.  Jesus, the second person of the trinity is God.  He is the creator (Col. 1:16, 17).  Angels and men are his creation.

Less soothsaying (Mic. 5:12).   More bible study (2 Ti 2:15).  

Serpent Dove, I'm saying Jesus may have a twin, Michael the archangel.

There’s a fourth person of the trinity? 2 Pe 2:1  Any biblical sauce for us on that?

…[P]ray on this.

Is that your disclaimer for false teaching? Ga 5:9

A lot of similarities.

Jesus is the uncreated creator (Jn 1:1-3).  Michael, chief prince (Dan. 10:13, 21) [not angel of the Lord (Gen. 22:11)], is his creation.

Look at the angel definition I pinned above. I'm not teaching false...

If you claim Jesus is a created being (Jn 1:1-3), you are. 

For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist (2 Jn 7).  

Look at what an angel is. Search scriptures on Michael they both cry with a loud voice.

So does my dog when I don’t take him for a walk.  Doesn’t make him a human being with a spirit. 

Michael stands up for his people. Jesus and Michael are both great in God's kingdom of GOD, they both come with God's word to the people. An angel is a messenger of GOD.

Jesus is God, the second person of the trinity.  Michael was created by him. Rom. 1:25

…[P]ray and ask GOD himself.

Prayer is in Christ’s name (John 14:13).    My pastor used to say, “If you get it wrong about Jesus, it doesn’t matter what you get right.”

No cult or ‘ism will ever get by Jn 1:1-3.  No created being can save you (Ac 4:12).  Jesus saves (Isa 63:9; Eph 5:23). Jesus alone saves (Isa 45:21,22; 59:16; Ac 4:12). 

Woah.  Guess I stirred up a bee's nest Jesus & Michael.  Just trying to understand things I'm shown.

By whom?    If you do not believe that Jesus is who he said he is, you will die in your sins (Jn 8:24).  If you do not believe that Jesus is who he said he is, then pray tell—why do you think you’re going in the rapture (Lk 21:36).

Less superstition (Ac 17:22).  More bible study (2 Ti 2:15).

See:

“…Bob Tries To Identify and Prevent Christian Superstition: What do tea leaves, full parking lots, chicken entrails, computer bugs, and stalled engines have in common?”  Anti-abortion Victory: Pepsi Stops Stem Cell Taste Testing by Bob Enyart

Still praying on this.

Be sure you’re praying to the right person (Pr 15:29). 

I brought it fourth due to others getting similar messages...Petra, Dianne O, Rhonda and few others.

Bandwagon (Eph 4:14).

Let's pray about this.

I have no idea to whom you pray (Eph 5:11).    I pray to the Father in the name of Jesus. If you elevate Michael to twin brother of Jesus, you’re a liar (2 Pe 2:1) and an antichrist (1 Jn 4:1-3).

Here’s what I found and why I feel they may be twins…

Your feelings are irrelevant.  God’s word is all-important (Ps 138:2).

…I'm not saying Michael is Jesus, just that there are a lot of similarities in Jesus and Michael.

False equivalence Eph 4:14

Christians glorify Christ (Acts 21:20) not the archangel, Michael.  Angels are not to be worshipped (Col 2:18).  

Reply to It is Finished

[Telegraphing of 10:4] That’s how we work…everybody’s got a different picture of the puzzle.

Confirmation bias Eph 4:14

You enter an echo chamber of tea leaves and chicken entrails and call that bible study?  Ac 17:22.  God’s Gift channel recently told her followers that Jesus has a twin—Michael.  Her proof?  She felt it as did her soothsayer friends. 

Dennis Prager has a saying, “Being on the Left means never having to say you’re sorry.” 

I’m supposed to give warnings.

You are?  Have you ever been right?  Have you ever apologized for not being right?  Should we extend Prager’s saying to Christians who make the body look really stupid?

Less chicken entrails.  More bible study.

Reply to Clarke

I used to think that this was a rapture verse…

Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man [Luke 21:36].

“How are you going to be worthy? The only thing that will make me worthy is my position in Christ. Therefore, I have trusted Him as my Savior, and I have committed my way to Him, so that if I am alive at the time of the Rapture, I’ll be going to meet Him in the air by the grace of God.” McGee, J. V. (1991). Thru the Bible commentary: The Gospels (Luke) (electronic ed., Vol. 37, p. 260). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

Serpent Dove the verse sounds very similar to a pre tribulation rapture, but it is not the similarities that matter. It’s the differences. The big difference is that it is out of context with Paul’s rapture verses…

We are warned to watch for his coming (Lk 21:34-38). 

 “III.      THE PARABLE FROM JESUS, IN REGARD TO THE BEGINNING OF THE END (21:29–38)

    A.      The symbol in the parable (21:29) : “Notice the fig tree, or any other tree. When the leaves come out, you know without being told that summer is near.”

    B.      The significance of the parable (21:30–31): “Just so, when you see the events I’ve described taking place, you can be sure that the Kingdom of God is near.”

    C.      The stability from the parable (21:32–33)

      1.      God’s nation will endure forever (21:32) : “This generation will not pass from the scene until all these things have taken place.”

      2.      God’s Word will endure forever (21:33) .

    D.      The summary following the parable (21:34–38): Keep constant watch for these things to happen.” Willmington, H. L. (1999). The Outline Bible (Lk 21:27–38). Wheaton, IL: Tyndale House Publishers.

…This event occurs after the abomination of desolation…

The rapture is pre-trib.  The abomination of desolation is mid-trib.   

“…[I]t will be the sign to prove that they are in the Great Tribulation Period. Instead of our looking for Antichrist and his abominations, we are told to be “Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ” (Titus 2:13).

Our Lord says, “(whoso readeth, let him understand:),” which means the people who are living at that time will understand. Since you and I won’t be there, He hasn’t given us many details.” McGee, J. V. (1997). Thru the Bible commentary (electronic ed., Vol. 4, p. 128). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

…[I]t is about fleeing to the mountains, not the clouds.

We are caught up in the clouds (1 Thess. 4:16, 17).  The Jews flee into the mountains (Mt 24:16).  The rapture is a mystery (1 Co 15:51).  It can occur at any time.   

The tribulation is described in Mt 24:4-26.  The church is gone before the tribulation.

    “B.      His remarks concerning the Tribulation destruction (24:4–14): Events of the first three and a half years.

      1.      A time of apostasy (24:4–5, 11)

         a.      The rise of false prophets (24:11) : False prophets will lead the people astray.

         b.      The rise of false Christs (24:4–5): False messiahs will lead the people astray.

      2.      A time of anarchy (24:6–8): Wars will break out!

      3.      A time of apathy (24:12–13): The love of many will grow cold.

      4.      A time of affliction (24:9–10): Believers will be hated, betrayed, and martyred.

      5.      A time of accomplishment (24:14): The gospel will be preached to all nations.

    C.      His remarks concerning the Tribulation destruction (24:15–26, 29): Events of the final three and a half years—the most severe part of the Great Tribulation.

      1.      The wickedness against God (24:15–26)

         a.      What the enemy will do (24:15, 23–26): Construct the sacrilegious object that causes desecration.

           (1)      The statue (24:15) : Assumed from Revelation 13:14–18.

           (2)      The subtlety (24:23–26): Many claim to be Christ.

         b.      What the elect are to do (24:16–22): Run for the mountains!

      2.      The wrath from God (24:29)

         a.      The sun will be darkened (24:29a).

         b.      The moon will not give light (24:29b).

         c.      The stars will fall from the sky (24:29c).

         d.      The powers of heaven will be shaken (24:29d).” Willmington, H. L. (1999). The Outline Bible (Mt 24:3–29). Wheaton, IL: Tyndale House Publishers.  

Reply to Scarbrough

[From Unsealed.org article] “As I've said before, it's a post-Revelation 12 Sign world, which means we're now living at the crossing of the dispensations.  If  Christ's appearing was once imminent! It's now imminent!

J. Vernon McGee said that the Holy Spirit will of course still be present in the world during the tribulation; but, that he will not restrain evil. 

Behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation (2 Co 6:2b)...

Reply to Walking by the Spirit Always

[Jesus not corrupt (Ps 16:10)] This is something to be very picky about. Jesus is God.  He is the Word made flesh and dwelt among us but remains forever. He is Alpha and Omega. Sinless and never needing to be born again, but He said that we must be born again (John 3). This is repeated in 1 Peter 2: Through Christ you have come to trust in God. And you have placed your faith and hope in God because he raised Christ from the dead and gave him great glory.

That’s right.  He said you must be born again (Jn 3:7).  He did not say that he had to be born again.    He needed no improvement (Heb 4:15)...

Some encouragement hang in there! We are at the finish line! The Unleashing  

Reply to Scarbrough

I heard the words Costa Rica… 

From whom?    Eph 4:14   

I ask you to pray for discernment. 

Just did.  We look to the word of God not your random thoughts (Eph 4:14).  

The Lord has done this a lot over the course of my ministry. 

Done what?  Do you suggest we take your random thoughts as gospel truth?    Maybe you have Tourette syndrome.  

There’s one reason that the Lord scripturally is doing these things… 

What things?  You put too much pepperoni on your pizza and call it ‘these things’?    I call it superstition (Ac 17:22).

Jn 14:29…I tell you before it comes to pass… 

Before what comes to pass?    

Jesus answers Judas’ (not Iscariot) question (Jn 14:22–31).  He would departure and return (vv. 27–31).  

…decreasing ourselves and elevating Christ. 

How does your pointing to Cost Rica elevate Christ?  How does it edify the body?  Eph 4:14    

If you ever see another ministry…and they’re sharing some things [and] it’s not elevating Christ… 

Know thyself (Eph 4:14).    

Less tea leaves and chicken entrails and more bible study.  

See:

Prophets/Fortunetellers....The Difference/Light and Darkness Inez Marrinan

Reply to Eric Johnston

I was a viewer until you said you can lose your salvation.

If one loses his salvation, he never had it—is the point.  You can’t live like the devil and think you’ll go to heaven.  God is not mocked (Ga 6:7).

See:

Hipster Preachers and Obama Phones Matthew Patrick Winfrey  

I'm not even going to go through all the scriptures that disprove that…

J. Vernon McGee said that the only type of life that God gives is eternal life (Jn 17:2).  If you’re truly saved, he’ll keep you (1 Co 1:8).  If you’re a fraud, you’ll fall away.  The fruits of your life will prove who you are (Lk 6:44). 

I pray you learn to not minimize God's grace.

Freedom is not license (Jud 4).

See:

Lordship

Reply to Barb Peterson

What about Red October?

A Q anon term.

Reply to Ministry Revealed

Matthew 24?

Taken in judgment (Mt 24:38-41).  Mid-trib.

Reply to mak anthony

[To pastor Sandy] As usual I'm with you 100% regarding the false OSAS teachings which will cause many to miss the rapture not due to God's doing; but, rather their own unrepented and unforgiven sins which is what Satan wishes to achieve with this big lie…

The bible does not say ‘Once saved always saved’.  That’s right.  It’s a really bad idea right about now to remain unrepentant and therefore unforgiven.  We do not forgive men prior to their repentance (Lk 17:3) and God does not forgive men prior to their repentance (Ac 2:37, 38).

Reply to Eric Johnston   

I am with you.  1 Corinthians 5:1-5 shows us we are eternally saved….This man was having an affair with his own father's wife…

Adultery (Ex 20:14).

....Look what the outcome would have been if he had not come to his senses.  Paul said, his body would be turned over to Satan but his spirit would be saved in the day of the Lord.

He would have been saved had he repented.  Paul’s prayer was a thoughtful one--let Satan work him over, see if it gets him saved.  No repentance?  No forgiveness.     

Reply to Kolleri

“…Attempts to determine the symbolism of the rider on the white horse have given rise to many differences of opinion. The preponderate interpretation among commentators is that he represents Christ. They use Psalm 45 and Revelation 19 in support of their position. But most of the contemporary Bible expositors of the premillennial school say that the white horse and the rider is Antichrist. That is the position of Scott, Ironside, Chafer, Walvoord, Woodbridge, and Pentecost. And it happens to be my position also. It would be pretty difficult for the Lord Jesus, who is the One opening the seals, now to make a quick change, mount a horse, and come riding forth.

To me that would be a rather inconsistent and unbelievable position. I personally take the viewpoint that this is Antichrist, this is an imitation of Christ, this is one who pretends to be Christ, who comes forth.

We are moving today in the direction of a world dictator. More and more is this true. All the nations of the world are disturbed. Lawlessness abounds, and governments are not able to control as they should. This is all preparing the way for the coming of one who is going to rule.

Antichrist does not appear as a villain. After all, Satan’s angels are angels of light. He is not going to have horns or cloven feet. Rather, he is going to be the most attractive man the world has ever seen. They will elect him, and the world will acclaim him because he has come in his own name. But when he takes over, it sure is going to be bad for the world.

This is not just the ravings of a preacher here in California. This is something that other men in other walks of life, who apparently make no great claims to being Christians, have said. Professor A. J. Toynbee, Director of Studies in the Royal Institute of International Affairs, said:

 

  By forcing on mankind more and more lethal weapons and at the same time making the whole world more and more interdependent economically, technology has brought mankind to such a degree of distress that we are ripe for deifying any new Caesar who might succeed in giving the world unity and peace.

 

That will be the platform that Antichrist will come in on—world unity and peace. I think that if anybody appeared on the scene now and offered the world that, the world wouldn’t ask whether he came from heaven or hell. I don’t think they would care, because they want peace at any price, and we have spent billions of dollars trying to obtain it.

G. K. Chesterton observed in his day: “One of the paradoxes of this age is that it is the age of Pacifism, but not the age of Peace.” There is a great deal of talking about peace.

In a news item some time ago, we read of a woman in Fayetteville, Arkansas, who named the United Nations as the beneficiary to her $700,000 estate “in the fervent hope that this relatively small contribution may be of some effect in bringing about universal peace on earth and good will among men.” I want to say that she poured that money down a rat hole, because you are not going to buy peace with $700,000 or even millions of dollars. We have given away billions of dollars throughout the world, and we do not have peace.

The Ford Foundation, one of the world’s wealthiest private organizations, has announced that their money eventually will be used to work for world peace and better government, living and education conditions—yet the world gets worse all the time.

When Antichrist comes to power, he is going to talk peace, and the world will think that it is entering the Millennium when it is actually entering the Great Tribulation. The Great Tribulation comes in like a lamb, but it goes out like a lion. A promise of peace is the big lie the world is going to believe.

This rider could not be Christ, therefore, in view of the fact that Christ is the Lamb in the midst of the throne who, as the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, is directing these events from heaven and is giving the orders to the four horsemen to ride. Christ is clearly identified in Revelation 19, while here the identity is certainly obscure, which suggests that it is not Christ but an imitation of Him.” McGee, J. V. (1997). Thru the Bible commentary (electronic ed., Vol. 5, p. 941). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

Reply to The Unleashing

Peace warning must have been done.

Daddy’s little enabler, Ivanka Trump praised her antichrist husband’s ‘quiet achievement’.   

Reply to Soldiers For Christ Community Church

We should have an idea about when the Lord will return (1 Thess 5:4). 

Understand the difference between progressive revelation and progressive inspiration.   

See:

Timeless Truths for Tough Times Adrian Rogers   

Reply Jo Ann Hutchins

[Scripture]

 “…What they say (Mt 17:4): Peter wants to build three shelters, one each for Jesus, Moses, and Elijah.” Willmington, H. L. (1999). The Outline Bible (Mt 17:3–4). Wheaton, IL: Tyndale House Publishers.

“…Mt 17:4 three tabernacles. This is undoubtedly a reference to the booths that were used to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles, when the Israelites dwelt in booths for 7 days (Lev. 23:34–42). Peter was expressing a wish to stay in that place.” MacArthur, J., Jr. (Ed.). (1997). The MacArthur Study Bible (electronic ed., p. 1424). Nashville, TN: Word Pub.

“…Perhaps the offer of shelters means nothing more than the desire to extend hospitality to the heavenly visitors (of whom Jesus has suddenly given every appearance of being one). Whatever he intends, Peter’s attempt to participate in what he sees is inappropriate.” Nolland, J. (2005). The Gospel of Matthew: a commentary on the Greek text (p. 703). Grand Rapids, MI; Carlisle: W.B. Eerdmans; Paternoster Press.

Reply to Maranatha Amen

Where do you believe mid-trib is?

When his feet stand on the Mount of Olives (Zech 14:4).  We will have been with him for 3 ½ years. 

Mt 24:40-41 is not the rapture.  One will be taken, another left (Mt 24:40–41)—that is taken in judgment (Ps 14:1).  

I believe it is Daniel 9:27 He (man of sin who becomes antichrist) will make a strong covenant with leaders for one week [of years].

He will enforce it.  It may already have been made.  Maybe by that antichrist son-in-law of Trump’s.

In the midst of the week he will put a stop to the sacrifice and the grain offering. On the wing of detestable things the desolator will come and continue until the already decreed destruction is poured out on the desolator.” This is when the desolator comes and declares himself to be god which is the abomination, that is what causes the great desolation...and HE CONTINUES until His destruction which God has already planned; it goes beyond halfway point of 3.5 years.

This is when the Jews finally get a clue that they’ve been duped.  They flee into the wilderness (Re 12:6).

…[T]hat's the 3.5 years of AC reign and terror, does not end at the abomination.

God gets his shot, too.  Satan had been persecuting the Jews and trib saints for 3 ½ years (again, we’ve been with the Lord all this time).  God, then begins to pour his wrath on the earth. 

Anyone who is still alive at the mid-trib point now is not a Jew, nor a trib saint.  These are those who refused to humble themselves before the Lord and have taken the mark of the beast.  It’s a free for all for God at this point. 

…You see Daniel will rise and the end of tribulation with all OT saints.

Before we go in the clouds, we may see a few departed saints who have gone before us (1 Thess 4:16).  When you get up there, you can ask Daniel more specific questions. 

The new testament saints rise and go up at the harpazo before tribulation.

The church is raptured prior to the seven years.  The trib saints go up at the mid-point.  They had been waiting under the alter (Re 6:10). 

Also, there are three questions here from the disciples: “when will these things happen?  And what will be the sign that you are coming…

…Christ's return…

Second Coming.  That has nothing to do with the rapture.  We could be raptured at any moment—today, tomorrow, mid-May, etc.

Nothing starts until we’re gone.  The rapture is the next even to happen on God’s prophetic calendar.  Hold your four horses.

…with which will be connected the resurrection of the dead…

This is a parade.   First, saints who have gone before us, then us—we high five in the clouds (1 Thess 4:16-17), then 3 ½ years in trib saints (Re 6:11).

So Jesus is skipping around answering all three questions, not just the end of tribulation. 

He spoke about the Second Coming.

Matt 24:40 does not say taken to judgment.

You think they’re taken to Disneyland.  I disagree. 

“I prefer clarity to agreement.” ~ Dennis Prager

…After 7 years those in tribulation can count back 7 years and they can know.

Those between years 1 to 3 ½ have an opportunity to live with the Lord.  Anyone alive after the first 3 ½ years is not going to heaven.  Once they’ve taken the mark of the beast, it’s lights out for them (Re 14:9-10).  No one without the mark is even alive after 3 ½ years in.

Scripture says we will not know...when the rapture is.

The apostle John wrote a book after that statement.   

I do not believe true believers in Christ will be here for the signing of the 7 year agreement.

We don’t worry about signing or strengthening.  It’s not about our troubles.  It’s about Jacob’s trouble.  The tribulation addresses the Jews (and some short bus gentile folks).

After the rapture it will take a short time for the antichrist man of sin to rise perhaps taking at least a week for the dust to settle when the world left demands peace.

He gets 3 ½ years to do his best; so, I’m sure he’ll get started soon after we’re gone. 

Jared could be, not sure.

Funny how so many so-called Christians support child-killing, serial adulterer Trump (Pr 8:36, Ex 20:14) when he intends to divide the land of Israel.   

[At] this moment it looks like he is in the place to make this deal and being in Judaism, he will not be taken at the rapture.

He will not be taken unless he humbles himself before the Lord.  That doesn’t appear to be happening. 

The man of sin does not become the antichrist until he dies…

Satan possesses an individual.  Judas served a purpose and so will the antichrist.    

…We will not know the hour or day…

The Holy Spirit will make it clear or he won’t make it clear (1 Thess 5:4, Re 3:2).   

…everything 24 hrs and under…

I think it’s wise to keep watching.  Those who will not will be caught off-guard (Re 3:3).  

Reply to Minter

11-11 was at one time perhaps the military parade (delayed).  11-11 is still supposed to be a marker according to Q (e.g. Iran taken care of [Katie G.]).  Maybe this country will be celebrating—thinking that all is good.

Trump and Putin are also meeting on that day.  

Reply to Winfrey

[Van Impe announcement]

Isn’t that sort of obvious (if by strength 80 years [Ps 90:10]).  I don’t know that we need Van Impe’s announcement for that.  If ’48 was significant, then looking for the rapture in three years may be significant; but that is conjecture.  Either ’48 was significant to God’s mind or is was not.  Same with ’67.   

Reply to Watchman for that Great Day

The sixty two is actually Friday.

No it’s not. 

 

    “Seventy weeks are determined

    For your people and for your holy city,

    To finish the transgression,

    To make an end of sins,

    To make reconciliation for iniquity,

    To bring in everlasting righteousness,

    To seal up vision and prophecy,

    And to anoint the Most Holy.

 

    “Know therefore and understand,

    That from the going forth of the command

    To restore and build Jerusalem

    Until Messiah the Prince,

    There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks;

    The street shall be built again, and the wall,

    Even in troublesome times.

 

    “And after the sixty-two weeks

    Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;

    And the people of the prince who is to come

    Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.

    The end of it shall be with a flood,

    And till the end of the war desolations are determined.

    Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;

    But in the middle of the week

    He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.

    And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,

    Even until the consummation, which is determined,

    Is poured out on the desolate.” Da 9:24–27   

“62 weeks or 434 more years for a total of 483 years to the first advent of Messiah. This was fulfilled at the triumphal entry on 9 Nisan, A.D. 30 (see notes on Matt. 21:1–11). The Messiah will be “cut off,” (a common reference to death); and 3) the final 7 years or 70th week of the time of Antichrist (cf. v. 27). Roman people, from whom the Antichrist will come, will “destroy the city” of Jerusalem and its temple in A.D. 70.” MacArthur, J., Jr. (Ed.). (1997). The MacArthur Study Bible (electronic ed., p. 1244). Nashville, TN: Word Pub. 

We are waiting for the last week which has not begun.  We are presently in the age of grace. 

I don’t know how this is going to happen…

It already happened—Jesus Christ was crucified.

We are awaiting the 70^th week which has not begun.  You cannot force the calendar to say what it does not say...

Reply to Soldiers For Christ Community Church

[Mt 24:40]

That is not a rapture verse.  The church will have been long gone by that time. 

 

  Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

 

  Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left [Matt. 24:40–41].

 

“I can hear someone saying to me, “Well, preacher, you have finally painted yourself into a corner. You said the church and the Rapture are not in the Olivet Discourse, but here they are. Two shall be in the field; one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.”

Well, my friend, He still is not talking about the Rapture. After all, what is our Lord talking about here? “As the days of Noe were.” Who was taken away in the days of Noah? “They knew not until the flood came, and took them all away.” They perished in the Flood. This is not referring to the Rapture when the church will be taken out of the world. Rather, this pictures the removing from the earth by judgment those who are not going to enter the millennial Kingdom.” McGee, J. V. (1991). Thru the Bible commentary: The Gospels (Matthew 14-28) (electronic ed., Vol. 35, p. 146). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

Reply to Stone

[Perry Stone family member lives, another dies.]  

It is sickening that you tell the story of one of your family members spared when another was decapitated in an auto accident.  You claim that the accident was “meant” for your family member; but, headed off by prayer while another in the accident was decapitated.  You play fast and loose with God’s word.  Fate is Greek pagan concept. 

Less superstition (Ac 17:22).  More bible study (2 Ti 2:15).

Reply to ENFJ 1976

The power of prayer.

Superstition (Ac 17:22).  Don’t run around telling everyone how happy you are that you made it out alive in a situation when others did not.     

This is what we call in the Greek—bad theology.

“Do you suppose that these Galileans were worse sinners than all other Galileans, because they suffered such things? I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish. Or those eighteen on whom the tower in Siloam fell and killed them, do you think that they were worse sinners than all other men who dwelt in Jerusalem? I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish.” The New King James Version. (1982). (Lk 13:2–5). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

Reply to Joseph Riggs

…It is kind of like a Christian family thanking God that the tornado didn't hit their house…

Except that Jesus said, “I tell you no…”.    Lk 13:2–5.

…while their whole neighborhood or town was wiped out all around them.

Skippity do dah down the street through the demolished town if you’d like.  For anyone like Perry Stone who thinks in this false way, Jesus said, “I tell you no…”.  Lk 13:2–5.  That was not what was happening.  Repent and leave the superstition for the pagans (Ac 17:30).   

Serpent Dove I believe I was agreeing with you.  I'm against superstition.  I realize that disasters are not dependent on how much a person has sinned.  I was just commenting on how some believers think. 

And it’s our job to help correct their thinking.  Not only is Stone’s teaching wrong on this point, he is also callous to state his thoughts as he did.  Someone was decapitated.  It could be that they too had praying family members.  Bad things happen to be believers also.  We are all supposed to be prepared to meet our maker—is the point in Luke 13:2-5, I think. 

How ‘bout we leave the decisions about when one goes to be with the Lord with him.  Let God be God.  And what was with the silver cord from the belly deal from a previous sermon?  You and I don’t decide when we die.  God does.  We can ask the Lord for some more time and he can agree or disagree.  You may believe that the super-duper Stone family has some good ideas about how to game the system.  I do not.

“I prefer clarity to agreement.” ~ Dennis Prager

As for repentance, God grants people repentance.  It's a gift (2 Tim.2:25).

Avail yourself of it (Ac 17:27).

If he doesn't give you repentance, you won't repent.

You’re a Calvinist? 2 Pe 2:1.  Everyone can repent.  Do you image that the Holy Spirit is twiddling his thumbs?   Gen. 6:3, Jn 16:8–11

…if he doesn't want someone to come to him for salvation…

He wants all men to come to him (Mt 18:14).

He can always send them "a strong delusion".

He can. He’s got that trick up his sleeve.  He’s interested in saving men (Jn 3:16).

Reply to Phillip Chen

Blasphemy!  Are you going to apologize for all your failed dates over the last few years, you delusional, Satanist!  All the people who you let down listening to your BS, some may have committed suicide because you’re a liar and a deceiver.  here is no rapture…

There is a rapture:  not all will sleep (1 Cor. 15:51; 1 Thess. 4:15, 17), dead in Christ will rise (1 Cor. 15:52; 1 Thess. 4:13, 14, 16), living to be transformed (1 Cor. 15:51–53), saints caught up (1 Thess. 4:16, 17).  Thomas Nelson Publishers. (1996). Nelson’s quick reference topical Bible index (p. 519). Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers.

…[O]nly a second coming…

Learn the difference between the Lord meeting his bride in the air (1 Thess 4:17) and the Lord stepping foot on the Mount of Olives (Zech 14:4).  The rapture is not the second coming.  The second coming is not the rapture.

…Frankly, you make me sick - oh and don't forget about sending your money when you live in one of the richest zip codes in the USA.  You are a despicable man.  Oh, and today is not the birthday of Christ - it is a pagan day that worships Satan, so yeah, for you is't a "holy day."

Christians know that this is not the day that the Lord was born.  It is; however, the day that the world will give a thought to Jesus.  We’ll take what we can get.

John has had brain damage.  I think you can give him a break.  Teaching is not his gift; but, encouragement is.  This is a difficult time of year for many Christ-followers.   

I would love to live where he lives (would make my commute easier).  You know renting is not owning, don’t you?

You will never repent, scum because you are a vessel of wrath set for destruction and the lake of fire.

Someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed.

Reply to Perrin Aus

As an ex-marine and ex-cop, it’s taken me a while to pray for people instead of hunting them down.

We don’t have to hunt them down—God will (Deut 32:35, Ro 12:19).

We pray for our enemies (Lk 6:28); but make no mistake—if they fail to repent (Acts 2:37, 38), they will be judged (Ga 6:7).  We can be their best friend for telling them the good news or their worst enemy--for telling them the good news.  The news is good (Ro 5:8)—doing nothing about it is bad (2 Tim. 3:8).   

"If you blow off God, He'll blow you off, too." ~ Doug Giles Jer 6:30, Mt 10:33  Jn 12:48, He 6:8, 12:17

Reply to Watchman for that Great Day

First the Bema seat.  Later, the Marriage Supper of the Lamb.

For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad (2 Co 5:10).  

Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready (Re 19:7).   

No One Knows - Understanding Intent  

Mid-East Prophecy Update J.D. Farag  

Reply to Weltner

A week is seven years (Ge 29:28, Dan 9:24-27). The tribulation lasts seven years (the last of which are called the 'great tribulation' [Mt 24:21]). Daniel's 70th week (the tribulation) does not begin until the church is gone.

Reply to Alfio Sorbello

[To Weltner] …I agree with you regarding the Revelation 12:1 sign being the divine marker…

This is conjecture.  It may be a divine marker as you put it.  It may be that Israel’s regathering in ‘48 and ‘67 were markers, too. 

A generation is 70 years and if by strength 80.  Don’t be upset if we are still here after April/May (end of 2018).    

Reply to Dean Smith

[To Weltner] …[Y]our implying that the church will still be on earth for some portion of the two witnesses?  

The witnesses are here because we are gone.  God does not leave himself without a witness. 

We can guess about who they will be; but, they’ll be coming on the scene when we are leaving the scene.  Again, Daniel’s 70th week does not begin until the church is removed.

Same with the Antichrist.  We can guess who he’ll be; but, he’ll be arriving when we are leaving. 

Reply to Derek Moran

…Pre-trib believe in 7 years of Gods wrath on the earth the last 7 years represent the 70th week of Daniel…

A week cannot mean what it never meant.  A biblical week is seven years (e.g. weeks of years:  seven (Lev. 25:8), seventy (Jer. 25:11; Dan. 9:2).  Thomas Nelson Publishers. (1996). Nelson’s quick reference topical Bible index (p. 645). Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers.

…and Daniel’s question to God was about His people Israel not the church.  The whole point of the last 7 years and the tribulation is for the nation Israel not the church.

That’s right.  The rapture was a mystery (Paul’s teaching).  John’s book Revelation is all about Israel after the church is gone (Re 4-22).

The happenings are all about Israel.  They all begin when we’re gone.  Don’t get ahead of God.

The book of Daniel is a book about the Future of Jerusalem and Israel.  Daniel the prophet had no clue about the church. Of course you’re not going to have God’s wrath for the whole 7 years.

The first half bad.  The last half—worse. 

…The antichrist setting himself up through politics around the world, with the eventual turning on Israel and at the midpoint...

Right.  Will they even notice we’re gone?  Do they notice you now?

Few go (Mt 7:13-14).

It might feel like we are in tribulation—Christians have always been persecuted; but does not mean that we are in Daniel’s 70^th week.

…That is the focus Israel.

Yep.  It’s all about them.  We get the benefit of leaving (Lk 21:36).  Jesus spoke about the tribulation in Mt 24.  

Reply to Fidel Espiritu

Dreams or no dreams, Vision or no visions, It’s evident we are in the end-times.

Every generation believes they are at the end of days.  The ‘end times’ have been going on for a long time. 

How soon before the awaited "meeting the Lord in the air" (1 Thess 4:17)?  No one really knows but God the Father Himself.

Then why was John inspired to write the Book of Revelation? The world doesn’t have a clue (Lk 17:26).  We do.  They are caught off-guard.  We are not (1 Thess 5:4).

Reply to anon

>>5066150

When?  At the last trumpet. When is that? 7 seals, 7 bowls, 7 trumpets then Christ returns.

False (2 Pe 2:1).

In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed [1 Cor. 15:52].

...“At the last trump.” What is that? That is His last call. The trumpet is His voice. John tells us in the Book of Revelation, “I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,” and when he turned to see who was speaking, he saw Christ (see Rev. 1:10–13). So “at the last trump” is the voice of the Lord Jesus. On His last call to mankind, He will call the dead back to life. He said, “… Lazarus, come forth” (John 11:43). Someday He will say to me, “Vernon, come forth.” And He will also call you by name.
“And the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.”


McGee, J. V. (1991). Thru the Bible commentary: The Epistles (1 Corinthians) (electronic ed., Vol. 44, pp. 190–191). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

Reply to humble seeker

“Pre-wrath” is a twist on mid-trib and it is false (2 Pe 2:1).  Daniel’s 70^th week begins after the church is removed. 

Reply to Weltner

Dear friend…

My friends are those who obey God’s word (Mt 12:50)...

I am not 'pre-wrath' or post-tribulation or mid-trib...

...Walking by the Spirit Always has highlighted some similar errors taught by so-called Humble Servant (YouTube) recently including:  tribulation began in 2018, there are two brides, there is a mid-trib harvest and a post-trib harvest, etc. Link 

Do you teach this as well?  Christ’s bride, the church will be raptured.  Jesus is not a polygamist.  He has one bride—his church (Rev. 21:2, 9).  If you are not raptured, you will never be called Christ’s bride in heaven.  He doesn’t have a bride and a short bus bride (Re 18-22).

There are tribulation saints—those martyred during the tribulation (Re 6:9-11).  They are not his bride.        

Reply to Yosiah C

[Rapture prior to Daniel’s 70^th week, Jesus not a wife-beater or polygamist] Hey serpent.  Go Away.  Sell that BS somewhere for inching of ears…

Eph 4:14

“Hark, fair Juliette speaks.” ~  Paul Maclean, A River Runs Through It 

Reply to Brenda Weltner

Hey, there: There is only one Bride, but that Bride will not be assembled until ALL believers come to Christ, which includes tribulation saints as well.

...The bride will always be called the bride and trib saints will always be called trib saints.

...Jews and trib saints reside on earth during the millennium.   

“This city will be a tabernacle to Israel. The children of Israel will be among the multitudes who come into this city to worship in eternity. They will come from the earth to bring their worship and glory. They will not dwell in the city anymore than they dwelt in the tabernacle of old. Those who actually dwell there will be the priests, who are the bride. The bride occupies the closer place to God in eternity, and the bride, like John in the Upper Room, reclines upon His breast. “Who is this that cometh up from the wilderness, leaning upon her beloved? …” (Song 8:5). She is the bride, and she has come up from the wilderness which is this present world. But the twelve tribes of Israel will come up to the celestial city to worship, three tribes coming up on each of the four sides. They will then return back to the earth after a period of worship, but the bride will dwell in the New Jerusalem.” McGee, J. V. (1997). Thru the Bible commentary (electronic ed., Vol. 5, p. 1069). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

…The 144K are also a part of the Bride…

The 144,000 are Jews who will evangelize the world during the millennium.  God had protected them in the wilderness.  We live where Christ is.  They stay.  Israel has a land promise.  We have a spiritual hope/promise.

The 'church age' does not end at the first rapture ('Child' of Revelation 12/24 Elders) but when the last 'overcomer' is in heaven.

...The church age ends at the rapture.  The church was a unique mystery.  When she’s gone, she’s gone.  Those who did not avail themselves of God’s grace, get an all-new dispensation.     

After the millennium, we all get to where we’re going.  Sin is still present in the world through the millennium.  Satan is let out again—everyone gets to decide what to do with Satan and sin...

Reply to Goose 777

When Henderson (2 Pe 2:1) is corrected, he doubles down (Eph 4:14). Jude 4 isn’t going anywhere.

Reply to Goose 777

“There’s a teaching called the partial rapture theory that basically says that only those that are on fire for the Lord, walking close to the Lord, ready for the Lord, watching for the Lord—only they will go up in the rapture.  That is not grace is it?  That’s works isn’t it?...All of the sudden, I’ve got to earn the right to go up in the rapture.  That’s not grace.” ~ JD Farag

Farag assures false converts that they are going in the rapture (2 Pe 2:1).

Faith without deeds is dead (Jas 2:26).

If you will not watch, I will come upon you as a thief, and you will not know what hour I will come upon you (Re 3:3).  

Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth (Re 3:10)...

Reply to Kolleri

…2 parallel units of time in this known universe.

Time is linear (Re 8:1).

See:

Is God Outside of Time? Not according to the Bible. Bob Enyart

…But then so was…the Sun stopping for Joshua in Joshua 10:13 and so many other impossible things we know to be a fact in the Bible.

The sun stopping does not stop clock.

And it was the third hour, and they crucified him.

  And the superscription of his accusation was written over, THE KING OF THE JEWS [Mark 15:25–26].

Now we are told here that it was the third hour when they crucified Him, which was nine o’clock in the morning. (Mark uses the Hebrew computation of time, while John uses the Roman.) We must put all the Gospel writing together to get the full superscription. John tells us that it was written in Hebrew, Greek, and Latin. No Gospel writer is intending to give us the whole story.”  McGee, J. V. (1991). Thru the Bible commentary: The Gospels (Mark) (electronic ed., Vol. 36). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.  

Now before the feast of the passover, when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved his own which were in the world, he loved them unto the end.

  And supper being ended, the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon’s son, to betray him [John 13:1–2].

“Jesus washed their feet because He knew that He would “depart out of this world.” His ministry would continue after He went back to heaven. He has identified Himself with His people, and today He still washes the feet of His disciples. He says that He will depart out of this “world” (kosmos), meaning the world system. It is man’s world, a world of sin. It is a civilization that is anti–God and anti–Christ, and it is under judgment. Because He is leaving this world, He washes their feet.

The second reason He does this is that He loved His own. He loved them “unto the end.” He is going to the Father because He loved His own. He died to save His own, and He lives to keep them saved. We have a wonderful Savior, and He loves us right on through to the very end. God loves us with an everlasting love; we cannot keep Him from loving us.

The third reason is that another person had entered into the room. There was an uninvited guest present. His name was Satan. We speak of thirteen persons in the Upper Room, but actually, there were fourteen because Satan was there. Satan put into the heart of Judas Iscariot to betray Him. Wherever the Devil gets into Christian work, others are affected and the Lord must wash them. He must wash us if we are to have fellowship with Him.

Notice that this took place at the Feast of the Passover. “Supper being ended” is literally “supper being in progress.” This is not the Lord’s Supper. Actually John does not even record the Lord’s Supper. Why does John omit something so important? I think it is because at the time John wrote, there were already Christians who were making a ritual out of the Lord’s Supper. There is a great danger in putting importance on a ritual rather than on the person Jesus Christ. It is more important to know the Word of God than it is to partake of Communion. There is no blessing in Communion apart from a knowledge of the Word of God. An apologetics professor, whom I had, said that it was Christ in your heart and bread in your tummy. The bread in your tummy won’t be there long; Christ in your heart is the essential. I believe that is why John omits telling about the Lord’s Supper.  McGee, J. V. (1991). Thru the Bible commentary: The Gospels (John 11-21) (electronic ed., Vol. 39). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.  

Reply to Stone  

[Mt 24:40]

Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

  Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left [Matt. 24:40–41].

I can hear someone saying to me, “Well, preacher, you have finally painted yourself into a corner. You said the church and the Rapture are not in the Olivet Discourse, but here they are. Two shall be in the field; one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.”

Well, my friend, He still is not talking about the Rapture. After all, what is our Lord talking about here? “As the days of Noe were.” Who was taken away in the days of Noah? “They knew not until the flood came, and took them all away.” They perished in the Flood. This is not referring to the Rapture when the church will be taken out of the world. Rather, this pictures the removing from the earth by judgment those who are not going to enter the millennial Kingdom.

McGee, J. V. (1991). Thru the Bible commentary: The Gospels (Matthew 14-28) (electronic ed., Vol. 35). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

 

    The summons (Mt 24:31): Angels will be sent forth with a mighty trumpet blast to gather the people of Israel from the farthest ends of the earth and heaven.

    D.      The slaughter (24:28, 40–41): Armageddon!

      1.      The assembling of the victims (24:40–41): One will be taken, another left.

      2.      The appearing of the vultures (24:28): To eat the bodies of the slain warriors!

Willmington, H. L. (1999). The Outline Bible. Wheaton, IL: Tyndale House Publishers.

 

Mt 24:40, 41 one will be taken. I.e., taken in judgment (cf. v. 39) just as in Noah’s day (“took them”; v. 39). This is clearly not a reference to the catching away of believers described in 1 Thess. 4:16, 17.  MacArthur, J., Jr. (Ed.). (1997). The MacArthur Study Bible (electronic ed.). Nashville, TN: Word Pub.

See:

Rapture 

Second Coming   

Reply to Crystal Love4Jesus

[No  man knows day or hour.  What about women?]

Man means mankind—make that all about man only and then you have women being able to commit murder, adultery, etc. (e.g Lev 20:10).

Reply to Rapture at Twilight

[Supposed contradiction in scripture] It was Passover but it wasn’t Passover…

“…[T]here is strong evidence that both John and his intended audience were intimately familiar with the Synoptic tradition. John's Gospel was thus supplementary in nature, written for a theological purpose, rather than to rehash the historical details they were all already familiar with. This is why John doesn't spend his time rehashing Jesus' genealogy, birth, baptism, temptation, calling of the twelve, exercising demons, parables, transfiguration, agony in Gesthemane, ascension, etc. In fact, it is estimated that 93% of the material in John is unique to John.

He focused on Jesus' ministry in Jerusalem, the Jewish feasts, Jesus' private conversations with individuals, and His preparation of His disciples…” Full text: Can John’s Passion Chronology be Reconciled with that of the Synoptics? Dick Harfield  

See:

Bob Tries to Identify and Prevent Christian Superstition: What do tea leaves, full parking lots, chicken entrails, computer bugs, and stalled engines have in common?   

Reply to Pearl Kolleri

…May the Lord forgive us - the entire watching community for the way you've been treated for so long.

Less Bipolar.    More Bible study (2 Ti 2:15)...

…He informed me that you [Christine Cooper] were one of His prophets. 

Audibly? 2 Pe 2:1  

Reply to Rapture at Twilight

[Two parallel times going on]

Christine clings to clichés (2 Pe 2:1).  These concepts of time come from Greek paganism not the Bible.

See:

Uber Software To Decide Who Dies Bob Enyart

Reply to Rapture at Twilight

[Another subscriber rebukes Cooper] “It sounds like faith in 7 17 is part of worthiness or readiness…”

There is the issue of; well, if you’re still not understanding it.

Big Brain/Little Brain Fallacy (Eph 4:14)...

Reply to Weltner

Daniel’s 70^th week (7 years) does not begin until after the rapture of the church.

The church is the overcomer—the bride.  Those left behind are not called overcomers.  They are called tribulation saints—two different people groups.

The bride has overcome (Re 12:11).  Tribulation saints will be overcome (Re 13:7).  

Reply to Rapture at Twilight

...[God] He’s outside of time.

False (2 Pe 2:1)...

Is God Outside of Time? Not according to the Bible. By Bob Enyart

Reply to Rapture at Twilight

[Contradictions in scripture] The gospel of John is running a day behind.

False (2 Pe 2:1).  The gospels tell the same story from different perspectives.

Less attention whoring (Eph 4:14).  More bible study (2 Pe 2:15).

[Overcomers are the riders on the white horse.]

False (2 Pe 2:1).

 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer [Rev. 6:1–2].

...[M]ost of the contemporary Bible expositors of the premillennial school say that the white horse and the rider is Antichrist. That is the position of Scott, Ironside, Chafer, Walvoord, Woodbridge and Pentecost. And it happens to be my position also. It would be pretty difficult for the Lord Jesus, who is the one opening the seals, now to make a quick change, mount a horse, and come riding forth.
To me that would be a rather inconsistent and unbelievable position. I personally take the viewpoint that this is Antichrist, this is an imitation of Christ, this is one who pretends to be Christ, who comes forth.
We are moving today in the direction of a world dictator. More and more is this true. All the nations of the world are disturbed. Lawlessness abounds, and governments are not able to control as they should. This is all preparing the way for the coming of one who is going to rule.
Antichrist does not appear as a villain. After all, Satan’s angels are angels of light. He is not going to have horns or cloven feet. Rather, he is going to be the most attractive man the world has ever seen. They will elect him, and the world will acclaim him because he has come in his own name. But when he takes over, it sure is going to be bad for the world.... McGee, J. V. (1991). Thru the Bible commentary: The Prophecy (Revelation 6-13) (electronic ed., Vol. 59). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

Reply to Blue Heaven

[Receives confirmation that rapture will be on 7-17]

Ac 17:22

Personal Testimony Chelley Hall  

July 17th Rapture (guard your hearts) Lillygirl

The Picture The Lord has Painted For Us SR Monette  

Reply to Rapture at Twilight

Losing rewards daily and increasing your tears every time you believe a false teacher (1 Co 3:12, Re 21:4).

False prophets/false dreams. Punishment for apostates.

If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him. And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee (Dt 13).

See:

How the Church Should Respond to the Crime Epidemic Pt. 1, 2, 3 Bob Enyart  

Reply to Weltner

All of them are priests/kings…

“Re 1:6 kings and priests. More accurately, “a kingdom and priests.” All who believe live in the sphere of God’s rule, a kingdom entered by faith in Jesus Christ. And as priests, believers have the right to enter God’s presence.” MacArthur, J., Jr. (Ed.). (1997). The MacArthur Study Bible (electronic ed.). Nashville, TN: Word Pub.

“…He has not made us “kings and priests,” He has made us a kingdom of priests, and we are going to reign with Him.” McGee, J. V. (1991). Thru the Bible Commentary: The Prophecy (Revelation 1-5) (electronic ed., Vol. 58). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

There are multiple raptures…

False (2 Pe 2:1).  The church will be with the Lord in New Jerusalem.  Tribulation saints will go into the millennial kingdom on the earth.

…[A]t the Rapture the church is raised, and those in Christ — whether they be the living or the dead in Christ — are changed, and they enter the New Jerusalem. While at the Revelation, the Old Testament saints and the Great Tribulation saints are raised to enter the kingdom...

Two different people groups—two different locations.

’…Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. (Matthew 25:34).’

They are to enter into the kingdom here upon this earth, and the Great Tribulation saints are going to be included….

…Old Testament saints are to be raised at the end of the Great Tribulation Period together with the Tribulation saints. The Rapture Comes Next J. Vernon McGee

Reply to anon

>>7286007

[Q Anon]

...Q supports a child-killing, serial adulterer. Pray tell—why would we care what he/they think? Pr 8:36, Ex 20:14

At best he/they are least in the kingdom (Mt 5:19).

Reply to Moses Maloney

Moses Maloney—the phony baloney finder.

Prophecy—inspired foretelling of events

    False, evidenced by:  nonfulfillment (Jer. 28:1–17).  Thomas Nelson Publishers. (1996). Nelson’s quick reference topical Bible index (p. 508). Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers. 

Reply to Moses Maloney

[Interview with Tim Henderson]

Please be sure to ask him about sanctification (1 Pet. 1:2) and holiness in Christians (1 Cor. 3:16, 17).  He loves this topic and discusses it frequently so that you know that you can know that you are saved (2 Pe 2:10).

Ask about obedience in the life of the Christian (He 5:9)—another biggie for Henderson.  He often reminds believers to look in the mirror (2 Cor. 3:18; James 1:23, 25).      He would never want to be accused of providing assurance to the unbeliever or make-believer (2 Pe 2:1)—not something he wants to answer for, himself (Mt 12:36).  

Reply to Weltner

Again, Daniel’s 70th week (a seven year period) begins after the church has been raptured. 

Nope...can't find that anywhere in scripture.

You don’t study Revelation without already having a knowledge of the rest of the Bible. 

“The idiom of a “week” of years was common in Israel as a “sabbath for the land,” in which the land was to lie fallow every seventh year.[2] It was their failure to obey these laws that led to God sending them into captivity under the Babylonians (2 Chronicles 36:20–21).…” The Precision of Prophecy  | Daniel’s 70 Weeks | Chuck Missler

The 70th Week of Daniel applies to Israel.

Jacob’s trouble is about Israel not the church. 

God gave Daniel a peek into the future of Daniel's 'people' (the Jews), the holy city (Jerusalem) and the Anointed. People have to do a lot of fancy footwork to make it apply to the church.

It’s not about the church.  The church is gone in the rapture.  The tribulation is for Israel.

I love Chuck Missler, but he was wrong about his timeline as he did not base using Revelation as the primary source.

He teaches through Revelation.

Of course one needs a pretty good knowledge of the Bible to understand the end times, but when it comes to a timeline for believers, we get that from Revelation, not Daniel.

Daniel helps the bible student understand Revelation.  

When it comes to the end times, the Old Testament sheds light on Revelation…

Daniel is a good place to start.

Your view, pre-wrath (a twist on mid-trib) is false (2 Pe 2:1).  The 70^th week does not begin until after the rapture. 

I'm sorry, but it's not until the middle of Daniel 9:27 that we read about anything that smacks of 'tribulation'…

The text cannot mean what it never meant.  A week is seven years.

“The final “week” (the seventieth), a period of seven years, is projected into the future and does not follow chronologically the other sixty–nine. The time gap between the sixty–ninth and seventieth weeks is the age of grace—unknown to the prophets (Eph. 3:1–12; 1 Pet. 1:10–12). The Seventieth Week is eschatological; it is the final period and is yet unfulfilled.

“The prince” is a Roman; he is the “little horn” of Daniel 7; he is “the beast” of Revelation 13. After the church is removed from the earth, he will make a covenant with Israel. Israel will accept him as her Messiah, but in the midst of the “week” he will break his covenant by placing an image in the temple (Rev. 13). This is the abomination of desolation. What Israel thought to be the Millennium will turn out to be the Great Tribulation (Matt. 24:15–26). Only the coming of Christ can end this frightful period (Matt. 24:27–31).

My friend, you and I are living in the age of grace, and the Seventieth Week of Daniel, the Great Tribulation, as the Lord Jesus called it, is yet to take place.” McGee, J. V. (1991). Thru the Bible commentary: The Prophets (Daniel) (electronic ed., Vol. 26, p. 158). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

…[W]hen someone comes on the wing of abominations in the midst of the week (3.5 years). How do you get 7 years of 'tribulation'? I only see 3.5...

Tribulation and great tribulation.

“…These 7 years constitute the 70th week of Daniel. he shall confirm. “He” is the last-mentioned prince (v. 26), leader of the Roman sphere (cf. chaps. 2 and 7), the Antichrist who comes in the latter days. The time is in the future tribulation period of “one week,” i.e., the final 7 years of v. 24. He confirms (lit., causes to prevail) a 7 year covenant, his own pact with Israel for what will turn out actually to be for a shorter time. The leader in this covenant is the “little horn” of 7:7, 8, 20, 21, 24–26, and the evil leader of NT prophecy (Mark 13:14; 2 Thess. 2:3–10; Rev. 13:1–10). That he is in the future, even after Christ’s First Advent, is shown by 1) Matt. 24:15; 2) by the time references that match (7:25; Rev. 11:2, 3; 12:14; 13:5); and 3) by the end here extending to the Second Advent, matching the duration elsewhere mentioned in Daniel (2:35, 45; 7:15ff.; 12:1–3) and Rev. 11:2; 12:14; 13:5. middle of the week. This is the halfway point of the 70th week of years, i.e., 7 years leading to Christ’s second coming. The Antichrist will break his covenant with Israel (v. 27a), which has resumed its ancient sacrificial system. Three and a half years of tribulation remain, agreeing with the time in other Scriptures (7:25; Rev. 11:2, 3; 12:14; 13:5, called “Great Tribulation,” cf. Matt. 24:21) as God’s wrath intensifies. abominations … one who makes desolate The Antichrist will cause abomination against Jewish religion. This violation will desolate or ruin what Jews regard as sacred, namely their holy temple and the honoring of God’s presence there (cf. 1 Kin. 9:3; 2 Thess. 2:4). Jesus refers directly to this text in His Olivet discourse (Matt. 24:15). See note on 11:31. the consummation. God permits this tribulation under the Antichrist’s persecutions and ultimately triumphs, achieving judgment of the sin and sinners in Israel (12:7) and in the world (cf. Jer. 25:31). This includes the Antichrist (11:45; Rev. 19:20), and all who deserve judgment (9:24; Matt. 13:41–43).” MacArthur, J., Jr. (Ed.). (1997). The MacArthur Study Bible (electronic ed., p. 1244). Nashville, TN: Word Pub.

See:

What is the Tribulation?  

The Hebrew grammar is 'a prince of a people who is to come' not 'the' prince of the people who is to come...There is no definite article before 'prince' or 'people' the in the Hebrew text. That means we have to go back to the last definite subject (antecedent) which is the anointed one who was cut off.  The one who confirms a covenant is not the antichrist, but Christ…

He strengthens what was already there.

He will make a firm covenant with many for one week (Da 9:27).  

…7 years, a reference to the coming Great Tribulation (9:27).  Willmington, H. L. (1999). The Outline Bible (Da 9:26–27). Wheaton, IL: Tyndale House Publishers.

(6) Events of the Seventieth Seven (9:27)

9:27 Daniel here described “the completion of God’s purpose.” As previously explained, a “seven” represents seven years, and the seventy sevens are terminated by the second advent of Christ. Therefore the events of the seventieth seven transpire over a seven-year period immediately prior to the Lord’s return.

If the sixty-nine sevens (483 years) conclude with Christ’s first coming and the final seven (seven years) is terminated by Christ’s return, there must be an interval of time between the end of the sixty-ninth and the beginning of the seventieth seven. The text also indicates that the seventieth seven would not follow the sixty-ninth immediately. For example, Christ’s crucifixion (“Anointed One … cut off,” v. 26) and the subsequent destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70 (v. 26) would occur after the sixty-ninth seven, but not during the seventieth seven (v. 27), revealing a gap between these sevens. R. Gundry observes: “The possibility of a gap between the sixty-ninth and the seventieth weeks is established by the well-accepted OT phenomenon of prophetic perspective, in which gaps such as that between the first and second advents were not perceived.”101

Not only are gaps between first and second coming events common, but the two thousand year span (at least) found here may also be explained by the nature of this revelation. God was answering Daniel’s prayer, which specifically concerned the future of the nation Israel. Shortly after Israel rejected Jesus as their Messiah (after the sixty-nine sevens), Jerusalem was destroyed, the Jewish people were dispersed throughout the earth, and for almost two thousand years Israel as a nation did not exist. Therefore this period was omitted from the prophecy. Israel has now been reestablished as a nation (1948), suggesting that the seventieth seven may soon begin.

The events of the last seven will begin with a covenant. Young argues that the one making the covenant will be the “Anointed One” (Jesus Christ) of v. 26 and that the clause should be translated as, He “will cause to prevail” a covenant. By this Young means that Christ “fulfilled the terms of this Covenant of Grace, that upon the basis of His finished work, life and salvation might be freely offered to sinners.”103 Young also believes that the “end to sacrifice and offering” spoken of as occurring in the middle of the final seven was brought about by Christ’s death. The Old Testament sacrificial system came to an end since the sacrifice they typified, that of Jesus Christ, had been offered. Christ’s death, it is agreed, did end the need for the sacrificial system, but the question is whether that truth is taught in this verse. Most scholars believe it is not.

As for the end of the seventieth seven, Young declares that it will “run out” at least by A.D. 70, but he does not know exactly when. “It would seem, therefore, that the terminus ad quem was not regarded as possessing particular importance or significance.” In reality the end of this final seven is one of the most significant events in history, the second coming of Christ.

Young’s identification of Jesus Christ as the perpetrator of this covenant is not supported by the context. The text indicates that this covenant is confirmed (even Young’s translation “prevailed,” which is almost certainly incorrect here, would not relieve this problem) for one seven. Most naturally this is taken to mean that the person in question makes a covenant that “lasts” for seven years. Christ did not institute a covenant that continued merely for seven years, for even Young holds that this final period ended sometime not too many years after the Lord’s death. Christ’s covenant with believers endures forever. Finally, if this seven immediately precedes the end of the age, as most scholars hold, the pronoun “he” cannot refer to Christ’s appearance at his first coming but must speak of someone living in the last days.

The majority of scholars correctly hold that “he” denotes the “ruler” spoken of in the previous verse, and Archer points out that “normally the last eligible antecedent is to be taken as the subject of the following verb.”107 Moreover, the context of the passage and the book as a whole supports this identification. His behavior and ultimate doom match that of the “little horn” described in chap. 7—the future ruler of a great empire in the last days and the persecutor of the saints—the Antichrist (so Archer, Wood, Whitcomb, Keil, Leupold). The term “confirm” can mean “make strong” (Ps 12:4, “triumph”) and with bĕrît, “covenant,” here seems to mean “make a firm agreement.” Baldwin may be correct in seeing in this use of the unusual verb gābar “the implication of forcing an agreement by means of superior strength.” Here “covenant” (bĕrît) indicates “a treaty” or “alliance,” a meaning it often has in the Old Testament (cf. Gen 14:13; 21:27, 32; 31:44; Obad 7).

This agreement will be made with “many” (lit., “the many”). Walvoord believes the phrase “the many” refers to unbelieving Jews, whereas Archer111 and Young contend that these are “true believers,” the likely meaning of the expression in Isa 53:11–12. In this context, however, “the many” is best taken as a description of the Jewish people as a group, the nation of Israel.

Antichrist, on behalf of his empire, will make a treaty with the nation of Israel. This agreement probably entails a promise of protection in return for certain favors (likely including those of an economic nature). It is easy to understand why Israel would enter into such an arrangement with the powerful forces of Antichrist. With such protection Israel will feel safe and secure. The term of the treaty will be “for one seven,” that is, seven years.

“In the middle of the seven” the Antichrist “will put an end to [šābat] sacrifice and offering.” This event takes place after three and one-half years. The seventieth seven is commonly referred to as the tribulation period, and the second half of this seven is known as the great tribulation (Rev 7:14; cf. Matt 24:21). It is in this last part of the tribulation that the Antichrist persecutes believers and commits other atrocities. The length of the great tribulation, three and one-half years, is spoken of several times in Scripture and should be taken literally (cf. 7:25; Rev 11:2; 12:14; 13:5). Whitcomb notes: “The clarification provided here is that the three and one-half years of 7:25 follow an initial three-and-one-half-year period at the beginning of which the Antichrist” will make a treaty with Israel. He will break this treaty at the midpoint.

That there will be “an end to sacrifice and offering” does not necessarily mean that the sacrificial system will be reinstituted in Israel, as Whitcomb thinks,116 although this is possible. It may only indicate that worship in general is forbidden. Reasons for this order are not stated, but evidently religious Jews will be persecuted because they will oppose the Antichrist’s evil administration. Antichrist will also come to the point where he demands allegiance from his citizens above that to God (cf. 11:36; 2 Thess 2:4). Naturally believers will refuse.

The NIV’s translation would indicate that Antichrist will place some kind of object (“abomination”) in the temple precincts (“on a wing of the temple”) that will be offensive to the Jews and cause them not to worship there (“causes desolation”). “Of the temple” is placed in brackets by the NIV translators, showing that it is not in the Hebrew text. The NIV’s interpretation (followed by Montgomery)118 is possible but would seem unlikely since “wing” (kānāp) is not found elsewhere in the Old Testament referring to a part of a building or building complex. Moreover, “abomination” is plural (“abominations”) in the Hebrew so that if taken with “desolation” it would literally read “abominations of desolation” rather than “abomination of desolation” as in 11:31 and 12:11. The NIV and NRSV have followed the Greek versions in translating “abomination” (singular), probably reflecting an attempt to make the phrase conform to later passages (11:31; 12:11). It is true that some sort of offensive object or objects will be placed in the temple by Antichrist (cf. 12:11; Matt 24:15), but it is best not to force that meaning here.

A literal rendering of the Hebrew text is, “And on the wing of abominations one who causes desolation [will come].” It seems best to understand “on the wing of abominations” with the KJV as a figure for “overspreading abominations,” that is, great abominations or wickedness. “Wing” is used in a destructive sense in Isa 8:8 as well. Concerning “abominations,” Baldwin comments: “The word is used frequently of idolatry and implies something filthy and loathsome of which people should be ashamed (Ho. 9:10; Na. 3:6).” Antichrist’s incredible atrocities against his fellow human beings and his attacks upon God himself (cf. 7:21–25) will include even the idolatrous claim that he is deity with an attempt at forced worship of himself (cf. 2 Thess 2:4; Rev 13:8, 14–17).

“One who causes desolation” (similar to NASB) refers to the Antichrist, who will forbid worship and thereby make the temple area desolate (empty). Rather than being an object that desolates in this context, it appears to be the Antichrist himself who desolates. This person’s terrible atrocities (“abominations”) and the fact he causes the temple to be desolate (because of his religious persecution) results in the judgment announced in the latter part of the verse.

This will be a terrible period in the world’s history, but the Lord has “decreed” that these atrocities will not continue forever. Antichrist’s wickedness will last only “until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.” “Poured out” picturesquely describes the flood of judgment that will overtake the Antichrist (cf. 7:9–11, 26; 2 Thess 2:8; Rev 19:19–21). “On him” is literally “on the desolating one” (“desolator,” NRSV; Heb. šōmēm), a reference to Antichrist, which will cause the temple to become desolate.

Daniel’s message of the seventy sevens is one of the greatest prophecies in the Bible. Leupold calls it “the divine program for the ages.” Regardless of disagreement over dates and some matters of interpretation, certain facts seem clear. The passage predicts the coming of the Messiah—Jesus of Nazareth. Messiah will die, and subsequently the city of Jerusalem and the temple will be destroyed. At the end of the age an evil ruler will arise who will persecute God’s people, but his wicked activities will not continue, for the same Messiah who died will come again. He will judge the Antichrist and all those who follow him. Then the period characterized by the great accomplishments set forth in v. 24 will ensue. Although this message was first given to the Jewish faithful, all believers will participate in the kingdom of God. Leupold comments that the “glorious victory” of Christ described in this chapter “should be in the forefront of the thinking of God’s people.” Miller, S. R. (1994). Daniel (Vol. 18, pp. 269–273). Nashville: Broadman & Holman Publishers.  

Reply to Weltner

[Rapture not mystery.]

False (2 Pe 2:1).

  Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed [1 Cor. 15:51].

What is a mystery? We have already discussed it several times. A mystery is something which had not been revealed in the Old Testament but is now revealed in the New Testament. It is something which you cannot learn by the eye–gate or the ear–gate. Nor has it entered into the heart of man—that is, it is not something many would have thought of. It is a fact which must be revealed by God.

“Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep”—we are not all going down through the doorway of death. “But we shall all be changed.” Whether you die or don’t die, you must still be changed, friend. Sometimes we hear people say, “I hope I am alive at the coming of Christ; so I will just go into His presence. Well, before any of us can go into His presence, we’ll have to be changed…” McGee, J. V. (1991). Thru the Bible commentary: The Epistles (1 Corinthians) (electronic ed., Vol. 44, p. 190). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

1 Co 15:51 mystery. This term refers to truth hidden in the past and revealed in the NT. See notes on 2:7 and Eph. 3:4, 5. In this case, the rapture of the church was never revealed in the OT. It was first mentioned in John 14:1–3, when it is specifically explained and is detailed in 1 Thess. 4:13–18 (see notes there).  MacArthur, J., Jr. (Ed.). (1997). The MacArthur Study Bible (electronic ed., p. 1757). Nashville, TN: Word Pub.

Mystery—something unknown except by divine revelation…Concerning Christianity…Resurrection of saints 1 Cor. 15:51. Thomas Nelson Publishers. (1996). Nelson’s quick reference topical Bible index (p. 437). Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers. 

The rapture was not a mystery in the Old Testament…

The rapture was hidden in the Old Testament and revealed in the New Testament.

…Look, I am telling you a mystery. Paul is passing on to Corinthian Christians a divine truth hidden from them until now (see NOTE on mystērion, 2:1), and he introduces it with idou (actually the sing. aor. mid. impv. of eidon, fitted with the accent of a particle), often used in the LXX to translate Hebrew hinnēh, “behold” (e.g., Gen 48:2). Cf. Paul’s use of mystērion in Rom 11:25, where he passes on a truth about the future salvation of Israel; also Rom 16:25; and its use in the LXX in apocalyptic writings such as Dan 2:28–29 bis. By way of contrast, when Paul speaks about the same topic in 1 Thess 4:15–17, he affirms it there as “a word of the Lord.” Here he passes on the “mystery” about the risen body and provides the biblical basis for the creedal affirmation, anastasin nekrōn kai zōēn tou mellontos aiōnos or resurrectionem mortuorum et vitam venturi saeculi (Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed, DH §150), “the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come.”

we shall not all fall asleep, but we shall all be changed. The coming transformation of all Christians, whether they die before or are still alive at the parousia of the risen Lord, is assured. This truth is the mystery made known to Paul, who is now passing it on. Cf. 1 Thess 4:15–17, which has a certain parallel affirmation, even if it differently asserts the resurrection of the dead and the parousia as “the word of the Lord.” It says nothing, however, about transformation, and it has a different Sitz im Leben (see Delobel, “The Fate”; Löhr, “1 Thess 4,15–17”). What Paul now affirms is not a quotation, but rather his own formulation, couched in the 1st pers. plur., to include himself. The verb allagēsometha is a divine passive (see ZBG §236), “we will be changed,” by God, who is understood as the agent of the transformation; or perhaps the risen Christ is, as in Phil 3:21 (see Gillman, “Transformation,” 322–23).

It is a matter of debate whether Paul in this passage is looking forward to the parousia of Christ. Barrett thinks that he believed that the parousia would happen in his own generation (1 Cor, 381). Perriman, however, maintains that Paul is not thinking of the parousia here at all (“Paul and the Parousia”). Be that as it may, Paul is paraphrasing what he has already written in 6:14, “God raised up the Lord, and he will raise us up too by his power.” In Phil 3:20–21, Paul ascribes the change to Christ: “We await a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, who will transform our lowly body to be like his glorious body, by the power that enables him to subject all things to himself.” The emphasis is on the transformation, as Paul expects the change to remedy the deficiency of v. 50: “a state of (continued) sleep is rejected for all believers,” whereas “transformation is promised for all believers” (Perriman, “Paul and the Parousia,” 515), and “all” means both living and dead Christians (recall 1 Thess 4:16c–17).

Again, the euphemism of falling asleep is employed; see NOTES on 7:10, 39. In this verse Paul expresses in positive fashion what was implicit in the negative answer of v. 50. For a Jewish parallel stating a similar transformation, see Syr. Apoc. Bar. 51.10.

The reading of v. 51, ou koimēthēsometha, pantes de allagēsometha, “we shall not fall asleep, but we shall all be changed,” is found in MSS B, Dc, K, P, Ψ, 81, 614, and in many ancient versions, and it is used in almost all critical editions of the Greek NT today. After the death of Paul, however, and that of the Corinthian addressees (and well before the parousia), this reading was seen to be problematic, and the neg. ou was transferred by copyists to the second clause: “We shall all fall sleep, but we shall not all be changed” (in MSS א, A*, 0243, C, 33, 1739). A conflated reading, with ou in both clauses, is found in MSS P46, Ac, and was read by Origen.

A more radical change, however, is found in MS D*, in VL, Vg, and read by Marcion and Tertullian, which changes koimēthēsontai, “we shall fall asleep,” to anastēsometha, ou, “we shall arise, but we shall not all be changed” (see Metzger, TCGNT, 502). This last reading, because it was used in the Vg (omnes quidem resurgemus, sed non omnes immutabimur), dominated much of the Latin theological tradition of the Western Church for centuries (see further Brandhuber, “Die sekundären Lesarten”; Jones, “Vulgate Text”; Oppenheim, “I Kor. 15,51”; Romeo, “Omnes quidem resurgemus”; Saake, “Kodikologisch”; Vaccari, “Il testo”).  Fitzmyer, J. A. (2008). First Corinthians: A New Translation with Introduction and Commentary (Vol. 32, pp. 603–605). New Haven; London: Yale University Press. 

You're confusing the rapture (translation into heaven) with the 'change' (mortal to immortal).

The mystery is the rapture.

“Rapture, the—translation of saved at Christ’s return.  Not all will sleep (1 Cor. 15:51; 1 Thess. 4:15, 17), Dead in Christ will rise (1 Cor. 15:52; 1 Thess. 4:13, 14, 16), Living to be transformed (1 Cor. 15:51–53), Saints caught up (1 Thess. 4:16, 17). Thomas Nelson Publishers. (1996). Nelson’s quick reference topical Bible index (p. 519). Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers.

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In The Twinkling Of An Eye | I Thessalonians 4:13-18 Adrian Rogers

The 'change' of the living (and the dead, for that matter) into glorified, eternal bodies is not the same thing as being taken into heaven.

They are taken to be with Jesus—where he is they are (1 Thess 4:17).

1 Corinthians 15:51 says nothing about the rapture....

This is what ‘not all will sleep’ (or die) means.  

…51. we shall not all die, but we shall all be changed. There are five textual readings for these clauses, and the MS evidence is significantly distributed. Clark, Studia Paulina 63–64, seems to favor the strongly attested reading (Aleph Ac C 33 et al.), “We shall all sleep, but we shall not all be changed”; and he argues for its contextual appositeness. Metzger, however, cogently insists (p. 569) that the familiar reading of B, Byz et al., “best explains the origin of the others”—the most reliable criterion, after all, for resolving difficult textual alternatives. The fact that Paul did die suggests that the first clause is primitive, and the second clause is supported by the following verse and the schema of 1 Thess 4:17.

52. the last trumpet. Cf. NOTE at 14:8; also 1 Thess 4:16 and Matt 24:31. On the cognate verb used with impersonal subject, cf. BDF, § 129.

we shall be changed. The emphatic subject is expressed, strongly implying that Paul expects to be in this group.

53. immortality. It is significant that Paul stresses the necessity of being clothed with immortality. For many Greek philosophers immortality was a natural endowment of humanity, and the immortal soul was thought of as clothed with flesh (so Plato Phaedo). This was also a consideration of Gnostic thought; cf. The Gospel of Philip 23: “Some are afraid lest they rise naked. Because of this they wish to rise in the flesh, and they do not know that those who bear the flesh [it is they who are] naked” (trans. R. McL. Wilson [New York, 1962], 87)—1 Cor 15:50 is quoted in this section! For Paul imperishability and immortality are acquired with resurrection. Orr, W. F., & Walther, J. A. (2008). I Corinthians: a new translation, introduction, with a study of the life of Paul, notes, and commentary (Vol. 32, p. 350). New Haven; London: Yale University Press.

 

Now I say this, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. Behold, I tell you a mystery; we shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed. For this perishable must put on the imperishable, and this mortal must put on immortality. (15:50–53)

Paul reminds his readers again that the resurrection body will not be flesh and blood, which, though wonderfully suited for earth, is not at all suited for heaven and therefore cannot inherit the kingdom of God. The kingdom of God is not used here either in its universal sense, referring to God’s ruling the universe, or in its spiritual sense, referring to His ruling in the human heart, but in its consummate sense, embodying both and referring to the eternal state, to heaven. “Just as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly” (v. 49).

Even Christ’s own earthly body was “flesh and blood” (Heb. 2:14) and had to be transformed before He could return to the Father. The human body is renewed every seven years, but that does not prevent its aging, deterioration, and eventual death. The human body is perishable. It is not suited for and cannot inherit the imperishable. It must be made different in order to inherit heaven, and it will be made different. “It is sown a perishable body, it is raised an imperishable body; it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body” (1 Cor. 15:42–44). Like the seed that is planted, it continues its identity, but in a radically and wonderfully different form.

But what about believers who are living when Christ returns? Anticipating that question, Paul continues, Behold, I tell you a mystery; we shall not all sleep. As pointed out several times before, in the New Testament mystery always refers to that which had before been hidden and unknown but which is now revealed. The apostle now reveals that Christians who are alive when the Lord returns will not have to die (sleep) in order for their bodies to be changed. Those “who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and thus we shall always be with the Lord” (1 Thess. 4:17). As believers are resurrected or caught up they shall all be changed. Whether believers die or are raptured, their bodies will be changed from the perishable to the imperishable, from the natural to the spiritual. Since the perishable cannot inherit the imperishable, Enoch and Elijah must have been changed in the same way that raptured believers will be changed. In any case, all believers will be equally equipped for heaven (cf. Phil. 3:20–21).

Both for the resurrected and for the raptured the change will be in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye. It will not be a process, a supernatural metamorphosis. It will be an instantaneous recreation from one form to the other, from the earthy to the heavenly. Moment is from atomos, from which we get the word atom, and denotes that which cannot be cut, or divided, the smallest conceivable quantity. In the smallest possible amount of time our perishable bodies will be made imperishable. To further emphasize and illustrate the speed of the change, Paul says that it will occur in the twinkling of an eye. Rhipē (twinkling) literally means to hurl, and was used to refer to any rapid movement. The eye can move much faster than any other visible part of our bodies, and Paul’s point was that the change will be extremely fast, instantaneous.

This change will occur at the last trumpet. I do not think that this trumpet necessarily will be the last heavenly trumpet ever to be sounded. It will, however, be the last as far as living Christians are concerned, for it will sound the end of the church age, when all believers will be removed from the earth. “For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet of God; and the dead in Christ shall rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and thus we shall always be with the Lord” (1 Thess. 4:16–17). By that trumpet God will summon all of His people to Himself (cf. Ex. 19:16; Isa. 27:13)… MacArthur, J. F., Jr. (1984). 1 Corinthians (pp. 442–444). Chicago: Moody Press.

Reply to The Unleashing

America is not Babylon.  

  And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication [Rev. 14:8].

  And another angel, a second, followed saying, Fell, fell is Babylon the great, that hath made all the nations to drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

There is a book entitled The Two Babylons, by Alexander Hislop, which you ought to read. It is especially pertinent in these days in which you and I live. It reveals that Babylon has been Satan’s headquarters from the very beginning. Babylon is the place where idolatry began. Semiramis was the wife of Nimrod; some scholars think that she was his mother and that she married her own son. She was queen of Babel, which later became Babylon, and she devised a nice little story (beginning a whole system of idolatry) in which she came out of an egg in the Euphrates River—she cracked the shell and stepped out fully grown. The worship of Semiramis introduced the female principle in the deity. This reveals that Babylon was the fountainhead of false religions.

“Fell, fell is Babylon.” This second angel runs ahead and announces that which is yet to come as though it had already taken place. In the original Greek, “fell” is in the prophetic aorist tense. In other words, God’s prophetic word is so sure that He speaks as though the event had already taken place. It is just as sure as if it were history already.

The city of Babylon will evidently be rebuilt during the Great Tribulation period. If you have my book on Isaiah, you will see that I deal with the probability in chapter 13. I believe that ancient Babylon will be rebuilt, though not at the same location, and that judgment upon it, which is predicted in the Book of Isaiah, is yet to come.

The idolatry of Babylon is a divine intoxication which will fascinate the entire world. This is the reason we are seeing so much experimentation in our day with Satan worship, exorcism, and all the cults which are definitely satanic. Notice what the Old Testament prophets have said about it: “Babylon hath been a golden cup in the LORD’S hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad” (Jer. 51:7). If you could get away far enough and look back at this earth, I am of the opinion that you would be disappointed in mankind and in the nations of the world. Then in the prophecy of Isaiah we read: “And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible” (Isa. 13:11). This brings down the wrath of God upon the world (see Jer. 25:15–26). “And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees’ excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah” (Isa. 13:19).

This is a judgment on Babylon that we are going to see: judgment upon religious Babylon in chapter 17 of Revelation and upon commercial Babylon in chapter 18.  McGee, J. V. (1991). Thru the Bible commentary: The Prophecy (Revelation 14-22) (electronic ed., Vol. 60, pp. 41–42). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

See:

The Fall of Babylon Versus The Destruction of Babylon Chuck Missler

Revelation Session 01 Introduction Chuck Missler

I couldn’t think of a better profile name to call myself other than serpent dove […to] infiltrate comments pretending to teach truth while actually being a deceiver. Shut your stupid mouth. Or I’ll shut it for you!

Less bravado.  More Bible study (Eph 4:14, 2 Pe 2:1).

Reply to Debra Anderson

Serpent dove, my brother, I'll  pay ya cash money if you'll  please change your handle...the first name....

Cash? Ac 3:6 

Reply to The Unleashing

Once anyone writes any book they are already done. There is no more discussion. They have made their minds up.

Illumination continues as you study (Da 2:22, 5:11, 14).  

Cute choice of words.

Paranoid much? Eph 4:14

Spiritual illumination:  by Christ (John 1:9), at conversion (Heb. 6:4), in Christian truth (Eph. 1:18), by Holy Spirit (John 16:13–16), by God (1 Cor. 4:5). Thomas Nelson Publishers. (1996). Nelson’s quick reference topical Bible index (p. 305). Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers. 

America will be destroyed.

I suspect that’s true.  That doesn’t make us Babylon.  I think Rome, the Whore will relocate to Babylon...          

See: 

Revelation Session 21 Ch-17 18 The Mystery Of Babylon Chuck Missler  

Reply to Weltner

The tribulation (seven years) begins after the rapture of the church.  Jesus’ feet touch the Mount of Olives at the mid-point (Zech 14:4).

See:

Why I Love Israel Adrian Rogers  

Rabbi Vision of Rapture  

Confusion in America's Prophetic Camp Perry Stone

Reply to miss kj 777

The rapture will occur at “a time that we think not...

    C.      The reaction to this watchfulness (24:43–51)

      1.      The wise servant (24:43–47): He watches and is rewarded.

      2.      The wicked servant (24:48–51): He ignores the warning and is condemned. 

Willmington, H. L. (1999). The Outline Bible (Mt 24:37–51). Wheaton, IL: Tyndale House Publishers. 

Reply to REVELATIONCHAPTER12dotCOM

[Flashback]

…When this gate will fall, be rebuilt and fall again, be rebuilt again and fall again. And before it will be rebuilt for the third time the Messiah will appear. Tractate Sanhedrin (78a).

 …Rabbi Fish explained that the term שער (gate) refers to government or leadership, as seen in a verse in Deuteronomy.

You shall appoint magistrates and officials for your tribes (gates), in all the settlements that Hashem your God is giving you, and they shall govern the people with due justice. Deuteronomy 16:1

In a recent blog, Rabbi Fish cited a commentary that explains the words שער (gate) as an acronym for שִׁלְטוֹן עֵרֶב רב (rule by the mixed multitude). Rabbi Fish explained the ‘gate’ referred to the government of Israel."  Israel’s Elections Going According to Zachariah’s Prophecy Foreshadowing Messiah by Adam Eliyahu Berkowitz | September 15, 2019 link   

[Same author later article] "The Russian government recently announced that it will partner with the Syrian government in reconstructing the ancient temple to the pagan god Ba’al in Palmyra. If successful, the project will necessarily mark the third incarnation of the Roman Victory Arch of Palmyra which an ancient Jewish source states must fall and be rebuilt three times before the arrival of the Messiah." Russia, UN, Syria Rebuild Pagan Temple of Baal in Palmyra: Third Pre-Messiah Gateway by Adam Eliyahu Berkowitz | December 9, 2019 link

Reply to SR Monette

[Soleimani death not event that starts Gog/Magog] Do you mean the 15 year old Jewish boy Natan, who had a near death experience about Gog/Magog?

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Reply to Winfrey

A charismatic is not the same as a Pentecostal.  A charismatic is someone that’s spirit filled but they don’t know the Bible….My definition of a Charismatic is someone that came out of say the Presbyterian Church…Catholic Church…but, they continue to go to the Presbyterian Church or the Catholic Church and so they have no word.  They’re woefully ignorant of the word.

You’re woefully ignorant of denominations.  Charismatics are an offshoot of Pentecostalism (e.g. Calvary Churches).

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 Denominations Comparison 

Even truck drivers know this.

Chuck Missler 75 percent…most correct…

Churck Missler was a Calvary pastor.  Where you differ,  offer your counterargument (2 Pe 2:1).    Let the reader decide (Eph 4:14).

As a reminder.  Second so-called marriage-- is not marriage at all.  If you are sleeping with another man’s wife (her covenant partner is still alive), you are a serial adulterer (Lk 16:18, Ro 7:2-3).  You will not go in the rapture (Eph 4:14, 2 Pe 2:1).

Winfrey does not preach/teach marriage permanence (Eph 4:14).  If you don’t get it right on marriage and family, it’s unlikely you’ll get much else right either (2 Pe 2:1).

Reply to Israeli News Live

You sure say "ok' and 'alright' a lot. M'kay?

Who was dwelling in Jesus Christ?  It was God himself.

Jesus, the second person of the trinity, is God himself (Jn 1:1-3).

Reply to theJonathanKleck

Jesus is God, the second person of the trinity (Jn 1:1-3).  No cult or 'ism like yourself (2 Pe 2:1) will ever get by Jn 1:1-3.  Less lizards in the brain.  More bible study.  

We understood the faith before you came along.  We’ll continue to understand it long after you’re gone (Jud 3b).

The JonathanKleck will never be a god.  God is God (Ro 1:25).  You are his creation (Ge 1:26–28).

Jesus loves you (Jn 3:16). Jesus is willing to save you (2 Pe 3:9). Repent (Eze 18:30-32; Ac 17:30). Believe (Mk 9:23). 

Reply to Behold Israel

[Vaccines irrelevant]

Brought to you by the Gates Foundation (2 Pe 2:1).

Reply to Behold Israel

[Predestination, will, predestination, election, foreknowledge; God outside of time]

Your views come from Greek paganism not the Bible (2 Pe 2:1).

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Is God Outside of Time? Not according to the Bible. By Bob Enyart

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You think 1260 refers to Trump’s tenure?  2 Pe 2:1  That would put us in the middle of Daniel’s 70^th week and make you a mid-tribber (2 Pe 2:1).  Daniel’s 70^th week doesn’t begin until the church is gone.  Less sensationalism.  More Bible study.  

Reply to Barry Awe

[Image Father, Son a banner across his chest, Spirit a heart] Grow into exactly what I [Jesus] was—unchanged.

The Lord took on an all new nature (2 Jn 1:7).  That is a change.

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Is the Future Settled or Open? Dr. Lamerson vs. Enyart  By Bob Enyart

The body [Jesus'] starts to disapper.

False (2 Pe 2:1). Jesus now has two natures—that of God and that of man (Jn 19:37).

He’s going to send it to be a baby…The Father is the conscieceness.

False (2 Pe 2:1).  Jesus is not merely the flesh/body portion of God, the Father.  He is God, the second person of the trinty (Jn 1:1-3).  He is no less God than God, the Father or God, the Spirit.  One God in three persons.  One what.  Three whose.    

It is an incredible ball of pure energy, pure light, pure love…

False (2 Pe 2:1).  God is not an it.  He is a who—a person.  God has attributes of personhood.  You have attributes of personhood having been made in his image (Ge 9:6).     

Reply to Watchman for that Great Day

[Rapture] I hope I’m not looking at pornagraphy.

That isn’t settled in your heart?  1 Jn 3:9 

Jesus loves you (Jn 3:16). Jesus is willing to save you (2 Pe 3:9). Repent (Eze 18:30-32; Ac 17:30). Believe (Mk 9:23).

Reply to Weltner

Unweltnerize yourself (2 Pe 2:1).

Order of End Time Events with Imminent Rapture Winfrey 

Reply to Winfrey

I get people every day—trying to teach me!  They’re not a pastor.

You are too pride filled to learn, Nicolaitan (2 Pe 2:1, Re 2:6–15).

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Thread: Openness Theology - Does God Know Your Entire Future? - Battle Royale X

Is God Outside of Time? Not according to the Bible.

Headship is not scriptural [e.g. Adam and Eve named the animals (Gen. 2:19, 20).]  Rise Up Children of God.

etc.

Pride goeth before a fall…

Projection (Eph 4:14).

Woodworm.

Wormwood.

Woodworm

Wormwood.

Woodworm.

Wormwood--even truck drivers know that (Prov. 5:4, Re 8:11).

Reply to Weltner

[Continued false teaching]

Attempting to undermine historical, biblical Christianity (1 Pe 3:8, 2 Pe 2:1). 

Reply to Winfrey

[Winfrey mutes his microphone in his vid to speak in what he believes are unknown languages (e.g. tongues )].

Tongues are known languages (1 Cor. 14:22–26).

J. Vernon McGee wrote:

“…[T]he purpose is to profit the body of believers. A gift is to be used in the church to build it up, to help the church. It is never given to help you in your personal spiritual life.

For this reason, I disagree with folk who tell me (and quite a few have told me this), “Dr. McGee, we agree with you – we don‟t think we ought to speak in tongues in the church. We do it in our own private devotions.” But, friend, that is not the purpose of a gift. It is “given to each one for the profit of all.” “Profit” is the Greek sumphero, meaning “to bear together.” No gift was ever given to be used for selfish purposes. Every gift is to be used to build up the body of believers.” McGee, J. Vernon. Gifts of the Spirit. Thru the Bible Radio Network. Web 3 Sept 20: https://www.ttb.org/docs/default-source/booklets/gifts-of-the-spirit.pdf?sfvrsn=aea81c16_2

God in three modes…

God does not wear his: Father hat, then his Son hat, then his Holy Spirit hat. That is modalism and it is false (2 Pe 2:1). God is three persons in one (Is 6:3).

God doesn’t heal because people don’t believe.

If that is true, why did God not heal your adulteress’ son?1   Did you not believe? Not have enough faith? Not want the child- (not your child) healed?

1 Winfrey will not answer questions about the woman with whom he lives. Does she have a living husband? If yes, that would make Winfrey a serial adulterer [Lk 16:18, Ro 7:2-3]. If no, then why does he not speak about his family?

Winfrey yells at his viewers, “Why don’t you receive the Holy Spirit?”   He equates receiving the Holy Spirit with speaking in tongues.  False (2 Pe 2:1). At justification, one receives the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:38). He is: justified, sanctified and one day will be glorified.

Winfrey prays, “I’m gonna count to three. Your gonna speak in tongues. Right now. I command it.”

He  places way too much emphasis on tongues when love is superior (1 Cor. 13:1–13).

Winfrey calls the Holy "it" not he/him.  The Holy Spirit is not an it.  He is God, the third person of the trinity (Ge 1:2). 

He says if one does not speak in tongues that God cannot use him because he is not “filled with the Holy Ghost”.

Winfrey is a false teacher (2 Pe 2:1) who abuses the gift of tongues (1 Cor. 14:22–26).  Even truck drivers know that.

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Reply to Weltner

[Calls the Alpha and Omega, God the Father]

False (2 Pe 2:1).

And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son [Rev. 21:6–7].


And He said unto me, They are come to pass. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. He that overcometh shall inherit these things; and I will be God unto him, and he shall be the son to Me.

“I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end.” This identifies the speaker as the Lord Jesus Christ, as He was identified like this in the first chapter of this book.


McGee, J. V. (1991). Thru the Bible commentary: The Prophecy (Revelation 14-22) (electronic ed., Vol. 60, p. 171). Nashville: Thomas Nelson. 

1:8 Alpha and the Omega. These are the first and last letters of the Greek alphabet. An alphabet is an ingenious way to store and communicate knowledge. The 26 letters in the English alphabet, arranged in almost endless combinations, can hold and convey all knowledge. Christ is the supreme, sovereign alphabet; there is nothing outside His knowledge, so as there are no unknown factors that can sabotage His second coming. (cf. Col. 2:3). the Almighty.“Almighty God” occurs 8 times in Revelation, underscoring that God’s power is supreme over all the cataclysmic events it records (see also 4:8; 11:17; 15:3; 16:7, 14; 19:15; 21:22). He exercises sovereign control over every person, object, and event, and not one molecule in the universe is outside that dominion. MacArthur, J., Jr. (Ed.). (1997). The MacArthur Study Bible (electronic ed., p. 1992). Nashville, TN: Word Pub.

Reply to John Sharp

Nothing wrong with being excited about our Lord coming for us...

We're just waiting for our Lord like Hachi.  No need to apologize for that.  Deut 7:9

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Reply to Hourly Watch  

[Fam'] 

F.A.M. stands for Federal Air Marshal.  

I got the Holy Spirit all over me. 

The Holy Spirit is a person (2 Pe 2:1).  

[15 Apr, 14 May 21 (minus 7 years)] I got a question Bible readers James Smith

Reply to Generation2434

Interesting that exactly 1260 days from September 23, 2017 (Revelation 12 sign)...The Pope is going to the “cradle of civilization” in Iraq to pray and seek “unity” between religions.  

Why is that interesting? 2 Pe 2:1.  The 1260 doesn’t begin until after the rapture of the church. 

Oh, it’s just interesting because it’s a biblically (prophetically) significant number of days… 

The days begin after the rapture. Less sensationalism.  More Bible study. 2 Pe 2:1 

Thanks for the critique....I’ll continue to post as I feel the Lord lead. God bless! 

Your feelings supersede the word of God (Je 23:16).

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Reply to Weltner

[Jesus was the abomination in  AD 70]

...Weltner is a false teacher (2 Pe 2:1).   

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Reply to Canadian Prepper  

[Prepper library] …Any book missing?

The Bible (Ze 8:23).

…This book here is the ultimate guide to home butchering… I would suggest getting several butchering books…how to field dress and how to butcher.

“I bet the Chinese food here is terrible.” ~ Mona Lisa Vito, My Cousin Vinny

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Reply to  God's Roadmap to the End

You are a false teacher (2 Pe 2:1).  If everyone gets saved in the end as you say, then God is a liar.  He isn’t a liar.  You are.

Hell is: everlasting fire (Mt 25:41), everlasting punishment (Mt 25:46) and everlasting destruction (2 Thess 1:9). That is why we work now to persuade men (Jn 9:4) knowing the fear of the Lord (2 Co 5:11).   

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