The Timelessness of God

Jerry Shugart View Post
It is obvious that God is not constrained by time because He can know things which will happen in the future. Since He is not so constrained then we can know that He exists outside of time...

Your idea comes from Greek pagan thought not the bible. (e.g. God created time, God is outside of time, fate, etc.)

See:

Is God Outside of Time? Not according to the Bible. By Bob Enyart

Related:

Is the Future Settled or Open? Dr. Lamerson vs. Enyart

Also see:

Calvinism: You Must Already be Saved to Get Saved?  

Evil.Eye.<(I)> View Post
Yes... You're still on ignore.

For being on ignore, you sure read a lot of my posts (Eph 4:14).

Jerry Shugart View Post
I have been trying to get an answer to these points of mine from those who say that God exists in time.

Where do you think he exists? Time is real (Re 8:1). Choices are real (Josh 24:15).

See:

Predestination and Will: How are predestination and election connected with foreknowledge?

Does God Elect Everyone?

I am basing my argument on the idea that those who exist in time are constrained by time.

You thought time had God in a straight jacket? Time does not work like Back to the Future or Star Trek (quantum realities).

We cannot take ourselves into the future...

And God cannot see a future that doesn't exist. He's got a plan. He's calling out a people for his namesake. If you'd like to be one of them, repent. If God can see our entire future like a dvd on a screen, then why now fast forward to the end? Why create those people he knows will go to hell? Why not create only the ones who will choose heaven?

...Nor can we have specific knowledge of things which others will do in the future.

And had Abraham not passed his test of faith, God would have chosen another man. People who believe as you do also tend to say that God cannot change (Mal 3:6[1], Jn 1:14), change his mind (Jon 3:10) or learn anything new (Ge 22:12, Lk 2:52). Why can't God change his mind? You can change your mind. Why can't God change his mind? Because you don't trust him? God can be more than us; but, he cannot be less.

If you don't believe that God can change his mind, then why pray?

[1] God is committed to righteousness.

See:

Intercession

As mere creatures we are restricted from traveling into the future so in that sense we are constrained by time.

Again, if God knows our entire life in advance why not cause it to occur in minutes rather than years like The Inner Light Star Trek: The Next Generation episode?

Did God know that Susan Smith would become a monster who drowned her two kids and let David Smith marry her anyway? How cruel.

The disciples wanted to know if Elijah would come before the return of the Messiah (Mt 17:10). Jesus said that he would come (v 17:11) and he had come (v 17:12). John the Baptist would have been the Elijah had the Jews repented.

Love is more important that prophecy. Had Pharaoh repented, that would have been a good thing. Had Judas repented, that would have been a good thing.

How could the Lord have chosen some to be saved before the foundation of the world unless He had a foreknowledge of exactly who would believe?

You would have known had you read my paper.

Related:

Ro 8:28 McGee

Why did you not address the verses which I quoted instead of trying to change the subject?

"Don't get stuck on stupid." ~ General Honore Eph 4:14

Right Divider View Post
[The Inner Light Star Trek: The Next Generation episode] Nothing like some false reasoning to try to make a point.

It makes more sense to say that our life is known just not lived out yet? Why reply to this post? You have to because you were predestined to? Try not responding. See if that changes the space time continuum.

Right Divider View Post
[Creation] He [God] could have done it in a microsecond (or less).

Now shrinking time matters.
Jerry Shugart View Post
Since you think that you know all about this then please answer the points which I made.

The meaning that one pours into the Omni's and the Im's matters (sources previously listed).

Right Divider View Post
...You pick out random verses think you're very smart.

Tell me all about how smart I think I am (Eph 4:14, 1 Co 1:27).

Your ability to think is zero.

Tell me all about my thought process (Eph 4:14, 2 Ti 1:7).


The Timelessness of God