Torrey, R.
(1995, c1897). The new topical text book : A scriptural text book
for the use of ministers, teachers, and all Christian workers.
Oak Harbor, WA: Logos research Systems, Inc.
See:
Inspired Scripture
http://www.vananne.com/inspiredscripture/
Response to comment [from a "Christian"]:
[Do you believe in absolute truth] "Not one absolute Truth
that can be understood and communicated in such a way that it
reveals everything about the material universe."
Absolutely? (Jn 14:6).
"Those are very important Truths- and as far as spiritual Truth
goes I can't think of any more important- but again you are
confusing the spiritual and the material."
Do you think you know everything there is
to know about everything?
"The material world is a testaments to the Will of God and
subject to our scrutiny and reason."
Do you trust only what you can perceive
with your senses or do you believe there are things that you cannot
perceive and know? Do you trust your senses over God's word?
"It is our responsibility to study them with the best
tools at our disposal. Science."
Does science trump the Bible or does the
Bible trump science?
"I can't believe things that are demonstratably not true."
How can you say you have faith? (Heb
11:1, Jn 20:29).
"You have no idea what is inside me."
We have a glimpse into your wicked heart.
Bad roots bad fruits (Mt 7:16). We are fruit inspectors.
You are a pro-abort, pro-homosexual,
humanist. You are lying to yourself or you are lying to us.
Who told you that you are a Christian?
They did you a great disservice (Heb 6:4-6).
"Your vision is as shallow as your mind, Pharisee."
The Pharisees were offended by Christ's
doctrine like you (Mt 15:12; 21:45; Lu 16:14).
"Maybe if you stopped worrying about whitewash you would be able
to look past the superficial and have an actual dialogue instead of
these repetitious, cut-and-paste "sermons"."
Check to be sure that you are not dead
inside (2 Cor 13:5, Mt 23:27).
Response to comment [from a Christian]: "[M]aterial
truth...[Y]ou don't even know what you are talking about...in
complete ignorance...[B]est tools at our disposal [is]...[s]cience...You
keep throwing up the same garbage...[P]ro-gay (what does that even
mean?), pro-abortion (I am most certainly not)..."
You support the use of chemical weapons
against unborn children.
You said:
"Religious freedom doesn't cover the
"freedom" not to do your job [nurses giving the morning after
pill/RU486]...If the law requires that this service be offered
to rape victims than you can bet it most certainly is a conflict."
"[R]eligious freedom doesn't include the freedom not to the job you agreed to
do when you were hired."
"When they signed up for the job they
agreed to do those things which the job requires- in this case dispensing
emergency contraception to rape victims. Don't like the terms of
employment- work somewhere else...The law trumps the religious affiliation of
the hospital providing services."
"...and a humanist (my view is much more complex than that)."
It's not complex--new morality is old sin.
When you believe, you obey. This is a
key concept in the Bible. One who has truly been born again
has a change of heart and mind. His is not a gainsayer (Ro
10:21). That is what you are [ἀντιλέγω
(antilegō)].
You are not obedient to the word of God. Being the pro-abort,
pro-homosexual, humanist that you are, you debate. You don't
obey. Rather, you: speak against, talk back, and
contradict the word of God (Lk 2:34; 20:27; 21:15; Jn 19:12; Ac
4:14; Ro 10:21; Tit 1:9; 2:9). Swanson, J. (1997). Dictionary
of Biblical Languages with Semantic Domains : Greek (New Testament)
(electronic ed.) (GGK515). Oak Harbor: Logos Research Systems, Inc.
Saying that you do not have a biblical
worldview is obvious. But you also mock others that do (Gen.
39:14, 17). We are all stupid to take the Bible literally
--but
Jesus did. Isn't that what you are really saying? Jesus
must be stupid too?
You only reveal your unbelief (2 Chr. 36:16).
Jesus believed in a six-day creation
(Ex 20:11; 31:17). He affirmed the scriptures.
Jesus believed in a literal Adam and Eve--so much so that they
defined marriage (Mt 19:4-6).
Scripture says that the objects of mocking
by the wicked will be Christ (Luke 23:11, 36) and believers (Heb.
11:36). So, laugh yourself to hell if you like? We know
truth is on our side. You do the devil's work when you seek to
undermine that truth.
Response to comment [from other]: "Why
are you lying about PB's position on abortion?"
Excellent. I hope I'm
wrong. Maybe PB can further clarify his/her comments. It
sure sounded like he/she promoted the use of chemical weapons on
children. The discussion was about Catholic hospitals being
forced to compel their nurses to distribute the morning after
pill/RU486 for rape victims.
I would be happy to be proven
wrong. I hope he/she would not agree with such a wicked
stance.
"PB is speaking on job duties and
requirements..."
No man
can compel another to use chemical weapons on children. Laws
come from God not man (Ac 5:29).
Response to comment [from a "Christian"]:
"If these people knowingly took a job that requires them to perform
functions that conflict with their faith they need to make
arrangements with their employer beforehand. Knowing what is
expected of you and being able to comply is pretty standard."
There you go. PB maintains
the position that we obey man not God (Ac 5:29)--opposite of what
the Bible tells us. Yet again. PB attempts to undermine
the word of God.
A Christian is yielded to God's
word and will not his own opinion. With "Christians" like
this, who needs demons?
"I don't consider myself "pro-choice"."
Not for the baby's choice to
live, that's for sure (Prov 8:36).
PB you are a wicked
child-killer (Pr 23:7). Bad roots, bad fruits (Mt 7:16).
Response to comment [from a "Christian"]:
"[P]eople who won't dispense emergency contraception shouldn't take
jobs..."
Let's
disqualify people who won't own a black or kill a Jew, too.
Let's put PB in charge of all moral decisions. Do we get
brownshirts, too?
Response to comment [from a "Christian"]:
"I am far too strong a believer in equality to sanction anything
that would lead to that kind of blatant disenfranchisement."
Equality is a European value.
Liberty is an American value. Liberals cherish the former.
Conservatives cherish the latter.
Everyone can get a job in an
emergency room so long as they agree with liberals and are willing
to use chemical weapons on children? What about that
"religious freedom" you claim to love so much? People are free
to exercise their religious freedom--until they disagree with you
and other child-killing liberals, right?
Response to comment [from other]: "Clearly
this has to do with doing one's job duties..."
You conveniently forgot about
that use-of-chemical-weapons-against-children portion of this
argument?
"Why would anyone take a job where one of their
duties *might be* something they are morally opposed to doing?"
Roman Catholics should be
disqualified from all jobs because they will not murder babies.
Rusha, you identify yourself as
"other". We don't expect you to have values. PB
identifies him/herself as "Christian" and promotes child-killing.
Even you, "other", cannot see a problem with that? If one
claims to be a Christian, do you think it is unreasonable to expect
him/her to act as such? PB loves the world and all of the
things in it ( 1 Jn 2:15). Has he/she ever come down on the
right side of an issue?
Why don't we proceed from that direction. It will make our job
easier. What will PB stand for?
Maybe he/she will answer the
following: I think throwing puppies off bridges is ok?
Prov 12:10.
Response to comment [from a Christian]:
[Let's disqualify people who won't own a black or kill a Jew, too.
Let's put PB in charge of all moral decisions. Do we get brownshirts,
too?]
"Shame on you. You are out of line with that statement. bybee."
Are you back from tea,
Bybee?
When do we get to see your lovely right side? Your left is so
pretty.
(Mark 6:17, 18).
Response to
comment [from other] "[C]an't hack any criticism yourself can
you? You really are typical of the self satisfied sanctimonious
preacher...You're all for dishing it out but you can't hack any
criticism yourself can you?"
What?
All I said it leftist are very pretty people. Their defenders
are lovely, too. They sit in pretty dresses (Ps 26:5) enjoying
tea and crumpets (Hos 3:1). It's all very sweet. We
should all learn from their refined manners (Mark 6:17, 18, Prov
20:17).
"It's blatantly obvious that PB is not supporting
abortion via his argument."
RU486ing people, too?
"[I]f the goalposts of a job change to the extent
where it's suddenly expected for an employee to perform tasks that
contravene their morals, then that is entirely different...."
I suppose it depends on the
playbook you're following (Ac 5:29). We play for the Angels.
You two are on the opposing team.
"[Y]ou'll continue your merry way in insulting Christians and others
both..."
You want to
murder babies and not feel insulted? Prov 8:36. You
lefties are never satisfied (Eccl 10:2).
Response to comment [from a "God has mercy on
all men, including pagan Catholics and gives them time to repent."
The wicked neglect that time (Re
2:21) and are condemned for it (Mt 11:20). There is danger in
neglecting God's call to repentance today (Mt 11:20-24; Lu 13:3,5;
Re 2:22), Swift judgment comes (Re 2:5,16). Repentance is
denied to apostates (Heb 6:4-6).
Torrey, R.
(1995, c1897). The new topical text book : A scriptural text book
for the use of ministers, teachers, and all Christian workers. Oak
Harbor, WA: Logos research Systems, Inc.
"Law without penalty is only
advise." ~ Adrienne Rogers
Response to
comment [from other]: "If you accept a job knowing the
job duties are in opposition with your personal beliefs, you are
being dishonest with your employer. Why should any company change
their standards for you?"
So now the one who knows right
from wrong is in the wrong? (Isa 5:20).
"Ms. Coakley chokes on a
question from radio host
Ken Pittman
referring to the conscience clause. Under
the conscience clause, workers in
health-care environments ranging from
doctors to maintenance men can refuse to
offer services, information, or advice to
patients on issues like contraception, blood
transfusions, etc. if the workers are
morally against it. Here is how Ms. Coakley
handled the matter. (audio and transcript
below):
Ken
Pittman: Right, if you are a
Catholic, and believe what the Pope
teaches that any form of birth control
is a sin. ah you dont want to do that.
Martha
Coakley: No we have a
separation of church and state Ken, lets
be clear.
Ken
Pittman: In the emergency room
you still have your religious freedom.
Martha
Coakley: (
uh, eh
um..) The
law says that people are allowed to have
that.
You can have religious freedom but you
probably shouldnt work in the emergency
room..." Full text http://washingtontimes.com/weblogs/watercooler/2010/jan/14/martha-coakley-devout-catholics-probably-shouldnt-/
You should run for the Senate.
Back to the subject, true
repentance is evidenced by fruits (Isa 1:16,17;
Da 4:27; Mt 3:8; Ac 26:20). If you are evil, be evil (Re
22:11). Just stop claiming that you are something you are not.
"My values are superior to yours because they
reach beyond religious lines...I base my treatment and value of
people on how they treat others."
We know how you treat unborn
children (Prov 23:7). What comes around goes around (Lk
19:27). That belief in behaviorism may not work out so well
for you.
"[Y]ou are intentionally misrepresenting PB..."
He/she promotes the use of
chemical weapons on unborn children (Prov 8:36). PB said:
"Religious freedom doesn't cover the
"freedom" not to do your job [nurses giving the morning after
pill/RU486]...If the law requires that this service be offered
to rape victims than you can bet it most certainly is a conflict."
"[R]eligious freedom doesn't include the freedom not to the job you agreed to
do when you were hired."
"When they signed up for the job they
agreed to do those things which the job requires- in this case dispensing
emergency contraception to rape victims. Don't like the terms of
employment- work somewhere else...The law trumps the religious affiliation of
the hospital providing services."
"[P]eople who won't dispense
emergency contraception shouldn't take jobs..."
"You have a knack for attacking your fellow
Christians..."
I don't know many Christians
who are: child-killing, pro-homosexual, humanists. But
maybe that's just me.
"...for not hanging onto and agreeing with
everything you say."
Who cares what I say?
Truth is truth independent from me. What does God say?--Don't
murder children (Deut 30:19).
Response to comment [from other]: [Some
leftists are pretty] "I'm a bloke. I'm not a transvestite so I
don't wear dresses. I'm not pretty."
I'm glad you told me that.
I was starting to wonder.
"I'm not a "leftist". I don't sit on a lawn
eating crumpets and drinking tea. I don't want to murder
babies either and neither does PB."
Great. Killing babies is
a bad thing (Deut 30:19). So, change your mind about
supporting the use of chemical weapons on unborn children (Pr 23:7).
You would not want to stand face to face in the presence of Jesus
and the murdered children of this country to answer for your view
(Pr 23:7, 1 Jn 3:15). Clean up your heart. Get right
with God (Pr 31:8).
Response to comment [from a "Christian"]:
"Liar."
Liars don't keep Christ's
commandments (1 John 2:4) like you--a pro-abort, pro-homosexual,
humanist. Liars promote all that is not truth (1
John 2:21, 27) like you--a pro-abort, pro-homosexual, humanist.
You
exchange God's truth for lies (Rom. 1:25).
Response to comment [from a "Christian"]:
"No man can compel another to take a job that would them require
them to do so in the first place."
A righteous person is
disqualified to work in an emergency room?
You
have it backward (as is usual for a leftist [Eccl 10:2]). The
Hippocratic Oath is "first do no harm". This is precisely what
the worker is doing when he refuses to use distribute a chemical
weapon which will be used to murder an unborn child.
"To beat you to the punch with the Nazi
analogy; when should you take your moral stand, when you are first
asked to go on the payroll at Auschwitz or when you are first asked
to press the button on the gas chamber? Your position is ridiculous
and transparently dishonest and partisan. You know and I know that
is nothing but harassment."
Is a person disqualified from
employment because he has a moral conscience? "Under the
conscience clause, workers in health-care environments ranging from
doctors to maintenance men can refuse to offer services,
information, or advice to patients on issues like contraception...if
the workers are morally against it."
You and your daddy want to
make it hard for the righteous to get a job, don't you? (Re 13:17).
Response to comment [from other]: "Aww,
how sweet of you to wonder dollface..."
I thought you said you weren't
effeminate.
You come off as a little limp-wristed?
Is this where your hostility comes from?
"Carry on troll..."
A-No-Brain, you have to have a
point if you'd like me to respond.
Response to comment [from a Christian]:
[The Bible trumps science. It's not the other way around.]
"You keep saying that, yet you have no evidence. To say that modern
science agrees with the archaic scientific worldview, that the
theology of the Bible is presented through, is pure fantasy."
You don't get to claim
the "intelligent community" mantel, sorry. We get that.
The best scientists believed the Bible [e.g. Johann Kepler (helped
develop science of physical astronomy / developed the Ephemeris
Tables), Isaac Newton (helped develop science of dynamics and
the discipline of calculus / father of the Law of Gravity / invented
the reflecting telescope), Louis Pasteur (helped develop
science of bacteriology / discovered the Law of Biogenesis /
invented fermentation control / developed vaccinations and
immunizations), Leonardo da Vinci (helped develop science of
hydraulics), among others..." full text: Do real scientists
believe in Creation?
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-scientists.html].
Scientists have the same
evidence. It is the interpretation of that evidence that
matters.
See:
War of Worldviews
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/wow/
"..Sticking your fingers in your ears and
pretending that there is a perfect correlation between the science
of today and the Bible is nothing but a measure to soothe a weak
faith."
You are ignorant. That
is not an insult. It means only that you are uninformed.
"The weakest faith of them all is the faith of
the fanatic, because the fanatic can not deal with reality..."
Reality confirms what the
Bible said all along. There is overwhelming evidence for young
earth creation.
Do you think that you know all
that there is to know?
Response to comment [from a "Christian"]:
"Liar."
A brief review may be in
order:
Liars don't keep Christ's commandments (1 John 2:4) like you--a
pro-abort, pro-homosexual, humanist. Liars promote all that is not
truth (1 John 2:21, 27) like you--a pro-abort, pro-homosexual,
humanist.
You exchange God's truth for lies (Rom. 1:25).
A Christian changes his mind about these things. A
Christian gives up his will (pro-abortion, pro-homosexuality,
humanism, etc.) for God's will. The repentant heart is evidenced by
fruits (Isa 1:16,17; Da 4:27; Mt 3:8; Ac 26:20).
Jesus loves you (Jn 3:16). Jesus is willing to save you (2 Pe 3:9).
Repent (Eze 18:30-32; Ac 17:30).
Response to comment [from other]: "My
username is already a joke in itself..."
I'm glad you said it...
Response to comment [from a "Christian"]:
"I already told you I'm not responding to your lies..."
Oh bummer.
You're a tough cookie. We'll just have to see how you come
down on all of the other positions then.
Maybe someday you will be kind
enough to answer the question about puppies.
I bet you have some standard of right and wrong. People
usually do.
Response to comment [from a Christian]:
"Creationism does not even qualify as science since it fails to meet
the requirements of the scientific method."
The man who discovered the
scientific method, Francis Bacon, believed the Bible.
Most fields of science were developed by
men who believed the Bible, such as Isaac Newton (dynamics,
gravitation, calculus), Michael Faraday (electromagnetics,
field theory),
Robert Boyle
(chemistry),
Johannes Kepler
(astronomy), and
Louis Pasteur
(bacteriology,
immunization).
Francis Bacon, a
Bible-believing
Christian, developed
the scientific
method.
"Are you telling me that the difference in
dating the earth is a matter of interpretation?"
How do you get a
petrified cowboy boot?
http://www.bible.ca/tracks/rapid-fossils-rapid-petrifaction.htm
"All radiometric
dating methods are based on assumptions
about events that happened in the past. If
the assumptions are accepted as true (as is
typically done in the evolutionary dating
processes), results can be biased toward a
desired age. In the reported ages given in
textbooks and other journals, these
evolutionary assumptions have not been
questioned, while results inconsistent with
long ages have been censored. When the
assumptions were evaluated and shown faulty,
the results supported the biblical account
of a global Flood and young earth.
Christians should not be afraid of
radiometric dating methods. Carbon-14 dating
is really the friend of Christians, and it
supports a young earth.
The RATE
scientists are convinced that the
popular idea attributed to geologist
Charles Lyell from nearly two centuries
ago, The present is the key to the
past, is simply not valid for an earth
history of millions or billions of
years. An alternative interpretation of
the carbon-14 data is that the earth
experienced a global flood catastrophe
which laid down most of the rock strata
and fossils.... Whatever the source of
the carbon-14, its presence in nearly
every sample tested worldwide is a
strong challenge to an ancient age.
Carbon-14 data is now firmly on the side
of the young-earth view of history..."
full text: Doesnt Carbon-14
Dating Disprove the Bible? http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/nab/does-c14-disprove-the-bible
"Being told that I am ignorant by someone who
uses answers in genesis as a source of science is quite priceless."
Ad hominem.
"Pick the target, freeze it,
personalize it, and polarize it (Rules for Radicals by Saul Alinsky.
1971.)." Dismiss people so that you can dismiss their
arguments.
"Where is this evidence?"
You'll have to pick a topic :
Astronomy
What do comets tell us about the age of the solar system?
Comets and the Age of the Solar System (Technical)
Halleys cometbeacon of creation
Kuiper Belt objects and the short-period comets dilemma (for
evolutionists)
More problems for the Oort comet cloud?
Is there evidence that our solar system is only thousands of years
old, instead of the millions of years claimed by evolutionists? What
about the age of stars?
How old are Saturns rings?
Mercurythe tiny planet that causes big problems for evolution
Revelations in the Solar System (Semi-Technical)
Saturns Rings Short-Lived and Young (Semi-Technical, available in
Spanish)
Speedy Star Changes No Need for Long Ages
Exploding stars point to a young universe
Extrasolar planets suggest our solar system is unique and young
Venus cauldron of fire (Semi-Technical)
Titan vs. Billions of Years (ICR Back to Genesis article)
Enceladus: A Cold, Youthful Moon (ICR Back to Genesis article)
How old is the moon?
The Moon: The light that rules the night [age, origin, design]
(Semi-Technical, available in Spanish)
Is the moon really old?
Moon Dust Evidence no longer valid
Moon Dust and the Age of the Solar System (Technical)
How old is the sun?
The Sun: our special star [age, origin, design] (Semi-Technical)
Solar Neutrinos the Critical Shortfall Still Elusive
(Semi-Technical)
Steady sun: a problem for billions of years
The Young Faint Sun paradox and the age of the solar system
(Semi-Technical, ICR Impact)
The Young Faint Sun paradox and the age of the solar system
(Semi-Technical, TJ)
See also Astronomy
Atmospheric Science
What features of earths atmosphere are inconsistent with
billions-of-years belief?
Blowing Old-Earth Belief Away: Helium gives evidence that the earth
is young (available in Spanish)
Answering the Critics. Helium in the Earths Atmosphere
(Semi-technical)
Botany
Can tree rings reveal how long ago Noahs Flood took place? What
about the Huon pine trees that the media claims could be as much as
30,000 years old?
Patriarchs of the forest
Living tree 8,000 years older than Christ (?)
The Oldest Living Things Trees
The Oldest Tree in the World
Tree ring dating (dendrochronology) (available in Spanish)
Geology
General:
Studies in Flood Geology by John Woodmorappe (Semi-Technical,
off-site)
Is there any geologic evidence that, contrary to evolutionary ideas,
supports a young age for the earth?
The Earths Magnetic Field: Evidence that the Earth is Young
(Semi-Technical)
The Earth's magnetic field and the age of the Earth
Eroding Ages
Fossil magnetism reveals rapid reversals of the earth's magnetic
field
Geology and the Young Earth
Granite grain size: not a problem for rapid cooling of plutons
(Technical)
Its about time
Kodachrome Basin State Park: Where Can We See Young-Earth Evidence?
(ICR BTG 211a)
The Lesson of Surtsey
Lord Kelvin revisited on the young age of the earth (Technical)
Microscopic Diamonds Confound Geologists (Technical)
Not ancient 'reefs' but catastrophic deposits
Rapid Granite Formation (Semi-Technical)
Rapid Rocks Granites
They didnt need millions of years of
cooling!
Sandy Stripes Do Many Layers Mean Many Years?
Shaking hands on a recent creation
The collapse of geologic time:
Tiny halos in coalified wood tell a story that demolishes long
ages
What about the dating of fossils by evolutionists, who claim they
are millions of years old?
The Clock in the Rock
Geological conflict: young radiocarbon date for ancient fossil wood
challenges fossil dating
Geology and the Young Earth
Green River Blues (Semi-Technical)
Instant Petrified Wood
Rapid Petrification of Wood: An Unexpected Confirmation of
Creationist Research (ICR Impact article)
Taraweras Night of Terror (Rapid Fossilization)
Doesnt it take millions of years for caves to form?
See Q&A: Geology
How long does it take for coal formation? What about the argument
that there is too much coal for a young earth?
See Q&A: Geology
Glaciology
Does the great depth of some glaciers indicate that the earth is
millions of years old?
The Lost Squadron (Rapid ice buildup)
Ice-bound plane flies again!
Human History
Have archaeologists truly found Aboriginal artefacts that are about
176,000 years old? What was the dating method, and is it considered
reliable?
Age of Aboriginal Art Disputed
How long have Aborigines lived in Australia?
Are human population growth studies an indicator of antiquity or
youth of humanity?
Where are all the people?
Can all people be genetically traced back to one woman ancestor, as
the mitochondrial Eve hypothesis claims? How about tracing all
people back to one common male ancestor?
A shrinking date for Eve (Semi-Technical)
Oceanography
Does it take a long time for coral reefs to form?
Coral Reef Growth (Geoscience Research Institute Origins)
How Long Does it Take for a Coral Reef to Grow?
Telling a geological tale
What oceanographic evidence points to a young age for the oceans?
The seas missing salt: a dilemma for evolutionists (Technical,
Proceedings of the Second International Conference on Creationism
2:1733, 1990)
Salty seas: Evidence for a young earth (popular-level article based
on above paper)
Does salt come from evaporated sea water? (ICR Acts and Facts)
Sea Floor Sediment (Technical, book review)
Sea salt loses its savour for evolutionists
Survey:
What is the most compelling scientific evidence of a young earth?
The earth: how old does it look?
A Young Earth: it's not the issue!
Evidence for a Young World
How old is the earth?
The god of an old earth
Real history: the timeline of the Bible
http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/young.asp
Response to comment [from a "Christian"]:
"As soon as you stop lying I will be happy to discuss these things
with you."
You'll have to provide an
example of where I have misrepresented your position. I would
be happy to be proven wrong.
Response to comment [from a
Christian]: "...[Y]ou made the assertion that your
understanding of PB's beliefs are accurate..."
Example please. I'm going with PB's own words (e.g. pro-abort,
pro-homosexual, humanist). This is not a biblical worldview.
Changing these godless positions
would be an improvement.
Response to comment [from a Christian]:
"...[C]reationism is not a scientific theory. It employs poor
arguments against evolution..."
Creation is
a fact given from scripture. You do not believe Genesis 1:1
but claim to be a Christian? The theory of evolution is man's
next best guess. It is a theory--and not even a convincing
one. History is best explained by the biblical account:
The Fossil Record
See: The Fossil Record:
Becoming More Random all the Time http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v14/i1/fossil.asp
Tower of Babel
See: The Tower of Babel:
Relevant Lessons for Today http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2008/03/11/tower-of-babel-am
Fall of Man & Why There is Death
See:
Two
Histories of Death http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v24/i1/history.asp
Observational science (what we observe in the
human genome; all descend from one man, etc.)
See:
Hasnt
Evolution Been Proven True? http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/nab/hasnt-evolution-been-proven
The best answers are the ones God gave all
along. The Bible just so happens to be true.
[C-14]
See:
Doesnt
Carbon-14 Dating Disprove the Bible?
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/nab/does-c14-disprove-the-bible
We have the same data but our interpretations
of that data are different.
War of Worldviews
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/wow/
Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "When did I use
those words, liar?"
This thread is filled
with that documentation based on your own words. :rolleyes:
If you've changed your positions--great. Say so.
Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "I have said
specifically that I was against abortion, for example."
Are you against the use of chemical weapons on
unborn children (RU486/"the morning after pill")? If a nurse
refuses to dispense this to rape victims, does he/she do wrong?
You previously suggested that the one who will not murder is in the
wrong (Isa 5:20). Has your position changed?
"Yet you
keep tossing out the term "pro-abort"."
Intentionally ending a pregnancy for convenience is murder (Ps. 139,
Ps.51). Children are not to be put to death for the sins of
their fathers (Eze 18:17, Deut 30:19). The innocent shall not
be put to death (Ex 23:7).
"Pro-homosexual" is a
meaningless phrase. I am "pro-human-rights", however."
You spend much time defending homosexuality.
This is opposed to God's word. Homosexuality is forbidden
(Lev. 18:22); it is considered an abomination (1 Kin. 14:24); it is
to be punished (Lev. 20:13) because it is wicked and unclean (Rom.
1:24, 26, 27). Thomas Nelson Publishers. (1995). Nelson's
quick reference topical Bible index. Nelson's Quick reference (293).
Nashville, Tenn.: Thomas Nelson Publishers.
"As for
humanis[m], I am a Christian."
"Humanism
legitimized our heart's self-centered desires, giving them
credibility," (MacArthur, Fools Gold: Discerning Truth in an
Age of Error By John MacArthur, Nathan Busenitz, Scott Lang, pg.
166)."
Understand
humanism:
"...The Christian humanism of the Renaissance
and Reformation period was a complex intellectual movement,
primarily literary and philological in nature, but with important
historical, philosophical, and religious implications. Humanism was
rooted in the love of classical antiquity and the desire for its
rebirth, both in terms of form (primarily a search for new aesthetic
standards) and of norm (a desire for more enlightened ethical and
religious values). The return to original sources is reflected in a
parallel way in the reformers' emphasis upon the scripture as norm
and New Testament Christianity as the ideal form of church life.
Humanism developed in Italy during the fourteenth century and
persisted through the Reformation well into the age of the
Enlightenment.
The word humanism came from the phrase studia humanitatis or
humaniora, the liberal arts or humane studies, a concept derived
largely from Cicero. The liberal arts curriculum emphasized grammar,
rhetoric, poetry, history, and moral philosophy. While the course of
studies owed something to the traditional education of the medieval
cathedral schools, it was less concerned with dialectic or logic,
natural science, and Scholastic metaphysics. The term humanist was
originally applied to professional public or private teachers of
classical literature who continued the medieval vocation of the
dictatores, who taught the skills of letter-writing and proper style
in speech and writing. But the word gradually came to assume a more
comprehensive meaning, referring to all devotees of classical
learning. Humanism came to be cultivated not merely by professional
educators but by many men of letters, historians, moral
philosophers, statesmen, and churchmen, including regular as well as
secular clergy. They set the aurea sapientia, or golden wisdom, of
the ancients against the arid dialectic of the Scholastic doctors.
Christian humanism tended toward religious syncretism, moralism, and
ethical Paulinism, and also toward a Christocentrism that emphasized
Christ as an example of good living, rather than a Christology that
focused on Christ's sacrifice on the cross as sin-bearer,
substitute, and savior..." full text: Humanism
http://www.vananne.com/serpentdove/Humanism.htm
"Stop
lying. Or at least stop lying so transparently."
I don't wish to lie at all. If I have
misrepresented your position, please indicate where. The repentant heart is evidenced
by fruits (Isa 1:16,17; Da 4:27; Mt 3:8; Ac 26:20).
Response to comment [from a "Christian"]:
[Pro-abortion, pro-homosexuality, humanism/The repentant heart is
evidenced by fruits (Isa 1:16,17; Da 4:27; Mt 3:8; Ac 26:20).] "I
have never seen you repent of any of your lies."
You claim to be a Christian but you do not
hold a biblical worldview.
You love to mock those who believe the book of Genesis literally,
but consider the alternative.
70-90% of "Christians" leave the faith after they graduate. Churches
have stopped teaching Genesis as literal history. How will they
defend marriage without Genesis?
And those who reject Genesis often reject the rest of the Bible.
Christians who teach Genesis should be praised not mocked (e.g. Ken
Ham). Jude 18. They work to restore the foundation of the Christian
faith.
Response to comment [from a Christian]: "How does Genesis
1:1 conflict with evolution?"
"The word
genesis of course means origin,
and the Book of Genesis gives the only true and reliable account
of the origin of all the basic entities of the universe and of
life. These will each be discussed in an appropriate place,
along with the alternative naturalistic philosophies of origins
proposed by various philosophers (sometimes calling themselves
scientists). At this point the foundational importance of the
Book of Genesis is stressed simply by noting the fact that it
does give this information. Note, for example, the following:
(1) Origin
of the universe
The Book of Genesis stands alone in
accounting for the actual creation of the basic space-mass-time
continuum which constitutes our physical universe. Genesis 1:1
is unique in all literature, science, and philosophy. Every
other system of cosmogony, whether in ancient religious myths or
modern scientific models, starts with eternal matter or energy
in some form, from which other entities were supposedly
gradually derived by some process.
Only the Book of Genesis even attempts to
account for the ultimate origin of matter, space, and time; and
it does so uniquely in terms of special creation.
(2) Origin
of order and complexity
Mans universal observation, both in his
personal experience and in his formal study of physical and
biological systems, is that orderly and complex things tend
naturally to decay into disorder and simplicity. Order and
complexity never arise spontaneouslythey are always generated
by a prior cause programmed to produce such order. The Primeval
Programmer and His programmed purposes are found only in
Genesis.
(3) Origin
of the solar system
The earth, as well as the sun and moon, and
even the planets and all the stars of heaven, were likewise
brought into existence by the Creator, as told in Genesis. It is
small wonder that modern scientific cosmogonists have been so
notably unsuccessful in attempting to devise naturalistic
theories of the origin of the universe and the solar system.
(4) Origin
of the atmosphere and hydrosphere
The earth is uniquely equipped with a great
body of liquid water and an extensive blanket of an
oxygen-nitrogen gaseous mixture, both of which are necessary for
life. These have never developed on other planets, and are
accounted for only by special creation.
(5) Origin
of life
How living systems could have come into being
from non-living chemicals is, and will undoubtedly continue to
be, a total mystery to materialistic philosophers. The marvels
of the reproductive process, and the almost-infinite complexity
programmed into the genetic systems of plants and animals, are
inexplicable except by special creation, at least if the laws of
thermodynamics and probability mean anything at all. The account
of the creation of living creatures in Genesis is the only
rational explanation.
(6) Origin
of man
Man is the most highly organized and complex
entity in the universe, so far as we know, possessing not only
innumerable intricate physico-chemical structures, and the
marvelous capacities of life and reproduction, but also a nature
which contemplates the abstract entities of beauty and love and
worship, and which is capable of philosophizing about its own
meaning. Mans imaginary evolutionary descent from animal
ancestors is altogether illusory. The true record of his origin
is given only in Genesis.
(7) Origin
of marriage
The remarkably universal and stable
institution of marriage and the home, in a monogamous,
patriarchal social culture, is likewise described in Genesis as
having been ordained by the Creator. Polygamy, infanticide,
matriarchy, promiscuity, divorce, abortion, homosexuality, and
other corruptions all developed later.
(8) Origin
of evil
Cause-and-effect reasoning accounts for the
origin of the concepts of goodness, truth, beauty, love, and
such things as fundamental attributes of the Creator Himself.
The origin of physical and moral evils in the universe is
explained in Genesis as a temporary intrusion into Gods perfect
world, allowed by Him as a concession to the principle of human
freedom and responsibility, and also to manifest Himself as
Redeemer as well as Creator.
(9) Origin
of language
The gulf between the chatterings of animals
and the intelligent, abstract, symbolic communication systems of
man is completely unbridgeable by any evolutionary process. The
Book of Genesis not only accounts for the origin of language in
general, but also for the various national languages in
particular.
(10) Origin
of government
The development of organized systems of human
government is described in Genesis, with man responsible not
only for his own actions, but also for the maintenance of
orderly social structures through systems of laws and
punishments.
(11) Origin
of culture
The Book of Genesis also describes the
beginning of the main entities which we now associate with
civilized culturessuch things as urbanization, metallurgy,
music, agriculture, animal husbandry, writing, education,
navigation, textiles, and ceramics.
(12) Origin
of nations
All scholars today accept the essential unity
of the human race. The problem, then, is how distinct nations
and races could develop if all men originally were of one race
and one language. Only the Book of Genesis gives an adequate
answer.
(13) Origin
of religion
There are many different religions among men,
but all share the consciousness that there must be some ultimate
truth and meaning toward which men should strive. Many religions
take the form of an organized system of worship and conduct. The
origin of this unique characteristic of mans consciousness, as
well as the origin of true worship of the true God, is given in
Genesis.
(14) Origin
of the chosen people
The enigma of the Israelitesthe unique
nation that was without a homeland for nineteen hundred years,
which gave to the world the Bible and the knowledge of the true
God, through which came Christianity and which yet rejects
Christianity, a nation which has contributed signally to the
worlds art, music, science, finance, and other products of the
human mind, and which is nevertheless despised by great numbers
of peopleis answered only in terms of the unique origin of
Israel as set forth in the Book of Genesis.
The Book of Genesis thus is in reality the
foundation of all true history, as well as of true science and
true philosophy. It is above all else the foundation of Gods
revelation, as given in the Bible. No other book of the Bible is
quoted as copiously or referred to so frequently, in other books
of the Bible, as is Genesis."
Morris, H. M. (1976).
The Genesis record : A scientific and devotional
commentary on the book of beginnings. Includes
indexes. (18). Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Books.
"Once again creationists demonstrate that they have no
understanding whatsoever of science."
Creationists are in fact real scientists.
See:
Can creationists be real scientists?
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/wow/can-creationists-be-real-scientists
In fact, the very best scientists throughout history believed the
Bible.
See:
Do real scientists believe in Creation?
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-scientists.html
[Radiometric dating]
See:
The Fallacies of Radioactive Dating of RocksBasalt Lava Flows in
Grand Canyon
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/am/v1/n1/radioactive-dating
Radioactive dating failure: Recent
New Zealand lava flows yield ages of millions of years
http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v22/i1/dating.asp
[Helioseismology]
See:
Stars and galaxies
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2007/05/31/reason-nine-stars
Solar neutrinosthe critical shortfall still elusive
http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v11/i3/neutrinos.asp
"Creationism is not a different interpretation of data, it is
selective use of data which is unscientific."
Then, like PB, you believe that Creation scientists are all
liars. I do not. You'd think that the whole ClimateGate
would have helped you out with that--but maybe not.
[Hasnt Evolution Been Proven True?] "Proof? Are you for
real? Since when does science deal with proof?"
So you didn't read the
article.
That's
fine. It did not make that truth claim.
Most people will not re-evaluate what they
believe (Eze 13:19).
Response to comment [from a Christian]: "Evolution is
hardly the same as gravity...."
Exactly. Natural laws obey God's
laws.
Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "People leave the
faith after they graduate because of a literal interpretation of
Genesis."
They reject a biblical worldview for
secular humanism because the foundation is gone. The Bible is
either true or it is false.
God made the world in six literal days (Ex
20:11; 31:17). Scripture gives no reason to believe otherwise.
Humanism does. You'll believe God's word or man's opinion
(e.g. evolution).
Marriage was divinely instituted (Ge
2:24). Jesus affirmed this in the New Testament (Mk 10:6-8).
If you do not believe the foundation of the Bible, why believe the
rest of it?
"[P]eople like you, who insist that a Dark Ages understanding of
science and a rejection of modern biology are necessary to be a
Christian."
Trust in Christ is necessary for the
Christian. If you'd like to believe 150 year old science that
is your business. It takes more faith to believe in evolution
than it does to believe the Bible. An honest look at the
science makes this clear.
"People can't, and won't, unlearn science."
I thought the scientist never stopped
asking questions.
"The foundation of the Christian church is Christ. Not a
literal interpretation of Genesis."
When do you start believing the one you
claim to follow? Lk 6:46.
"If you want to see the Church decline to nothing..."
Your materialism, naturalism and
multiculturalism works
toward that end.
See:
Materialism http://vananne.com/serpentdove/Materialism.htm
Naturalism
http://vananne.com/serpentdove/naturalism.htm
Multiculturalism http://www.vananne.com/serpentdove/multiculturalism.htm
Response to comment [from a "Christian"]:
"...keep making sure that everyone knows they can't be a
"real" Christian unless they believe in YEC."
A person does not go to heaven or hell
based on a belief in young earth creation. A person goes to
heaven or hell based on a right relationship with Jesus Christ
(Geraci).
Response to comment [from other]: "Was
the tree of knowledge an actual literal tree as well?"
See:
Talking Snakes and Magical Trees
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2009/05/22/feedback-talking-snakes-magical-trees
Response to comment [from a Christian]: "Creationism is not
science since it fails to meet the requirement posed by the
principle of falsifiability..."
Naturalistic scientists were there?
See:
What is science?
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/ee/what-is-science
"How then can creationists be real scientists?"
Based on your criteria, how then can
naturalistic evolutionists be real scientists?
"Climate scientists are more closely tied up with politics.
Evolution is not."
You're precious.
"Creation scientists do not exist..."
They're ghosts.
"...[T]hey do not let the data form the hypothesis, the let the
hypothesis decide what is real data."
They're evil; I tell you!--evil.
Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "[Y]our
interpretation of Genesis..is false."
Every verse of Genesis has exactly one meaning--what the author intended.
You'll need a better hermeneutic than "cause I said so...".
What reason does scripture give you for spiritualizing the book
of Genesis? Do you spiritualize the resurrection of Jesus
Christ, too?
See:
Hermeneutics
http://www.vananne.com/applesofgoldbiblestudy/#Hermeneutics
"I believe God's testimony- which includes nature."
Nature obeys God's laws. Why don't you?
"[You] worry so much about evolution..."
See if it doesn't sound like these ghosts
from the past haunt you...
"In this century, we are being haunted by some philosophical ghosts
came into being in the last century. Christians need a Christian
worldview that is based on truth. There is a difference between
knowledge and truth. For example, knowledge will double and triple
but genuine truth does not.
Young people go to school and study facts. But there is a difference
between facts and truth. Facts are like the recipe. Truth is like
the meal. Digest the truth and it will change your life. God wants
us to have truth. Why did God give us the Bible? Jesus said in Jn 17
"Thy word is truth." Why did God send us the Holy Spirit? He's
called in the Bible the spirit of truth. Why did the Messiah come,
the Lord Jesus? He said "I am the truth". Why do we have churches?
Churches are the pillar and the ground of the truth. Truth is to
your spirit what food is to your body, what light is to your eyes,
and what sound is to your ears. To know truth is to know God. And to
know God is to know truth.
Secular education is not enough. Our young people need a Christian
worldview. When you have a Christian worldview, you'll find out that
all of these facts intersect in truth. And that it's all related.
You don't just niche out your church life and put it over here, and
think that none of the rest of these thing matter.
The marks of a good education is, that it is so interwoven with
truth that all things begin to intersect and cohere together. There
is a famine in the world for truth. Jobs friends encouraged him to
appeal to the human mind--an ancient appeal to humanism (Job 8:8)
Humanism is not new, it's one of the dustiest, mustiest things
around.
How did we get to this state in America? A pastor prayed a prayer to
the Kansas House of Representatives:
Heavenly Father, we come before You today to ask Your forgiveness
and seek Your direction and guidance.
We know Your Word says, "Woe on those who call evil good,"
but that's exactly what we have done.
We have lost our spiritual equilibrium and inverted our values.
We confess that:
We have ridiculed the absolute truth of Your Word
and called it pluralism;
We have worshipped other gods
and called it multiculturalism;
We have endorsed perversion
and called it an alternative lifestyle;
We have exploited the poor
and called it the lottery;
We have neglected the needy
and called it self-preservation;
We have rewarded laziness
and called it welfare;
We have killed our unborn
and called it choice;
We have shot abortionists
and called it justifiable;
We have neglected to discipline our children
and called it building self- esteem;
We have abused power
and called it political savvy;
We have coveted our neighbor's possessions
and called it ambition;
We have polluted the air with profanity and pornography
and called it freedom of expression;
We have ridiculed the time-honored values of our forefathers
and called it enlightenment.
Search us, O God, and know our hearts today;
try us and see if there be some wicked way in us;
cleanse us from every sin and set us free.
Guide and bless these men and women who have been sent here by the
people of Kansas,
and who have been ordained by You, to govern this great state.
Grant them Your wisdom to rule
and may their decisions direct us to the center of Your will.
I ask it in the name of Your Son, the Living Savior, Jesus Christ.
Amen.
What is wrong in America? We are in a crisis. No longer do we
believe in absolute truth. If you go back to a period, it began in
1962 to 1982, the courts in 20 years reversed the principle of "One
Nation Under God" that had been the principle of American History.
In 1962, in Engel v. Vitale Justice Hugo Black ruled that voluntary
prayer in schools was unconstitutional. In 1963, in Abington
Township School District v. Schempp Justice Thomas Clark set in
motion the dismantling of Bible reading. Then, in 1980 the posting
of the Ten Commandments was declared unconstitutional. Then came
1982, and the courts prohibited the teaching of creationism--that
men, boys and girls were created by Almighty God. Twenty years it
took them to expel God from the public schools and tell him not to
come back.
What has been the result of that? Children need permission to have
medication, but aided by high school counselors, they may have an
abortion and to kill a baby. We are in serious times. God has been
so systematically excluded a study by the U.S. Department of
Education headed up by Dr. Vitz, a professor of psychology at New
York university was released to the American public. It was a study
centered on text books used by millions of boys and girls in public
schools. After the study, Dr. Vitz said: "Those responsible for
these books appear to have a deep seated fear of any form of active
contemporary Christianity, especially serious, committed
Protestantism. This fear has led the authors to deny and repress the
importance of this kind of religion in American life. This nature of
the bias is clear. Religion, traditional family values, and
conservative political and economic positions have been reliably
excluded from children's textbooks. The exclusion is particularly
disturbing because it is found in a system paid for by taxpayers and
one that claims moreover to be committed to impartial knowledge and
accuracy. Textbooks are so written as to present a systematic denial
of the history, heritage, beliefs, and values of a very large
segment of the American people."
That is not a preacher saying that. That is a report by a professor
of psychology of New York University, funded by the United States
Department of Education. There has been a systematic move to exclude
those things we find dear and what we believe to be the foundation
of this nation. And as a result, we see values clarification being
put into schools. We see values neutral sex education put into
schools. We see dispensing of birth control devices and condoms
being put into schools. We see abortion counseling without parental
notification being put into schools. We see homosexuality being
introduced in textbooks as an acceptable lifestyle.
How did all of this happen? What has happened to America?
Roger Friend is quite a scholar. Remember Job's friends made an
appeal for him to inquire of the philosophers of yesterday? Who are
some of the philosophers of yesterday that have so skewed American
thinking today? What happened in the 1800s, in the 19th century?
Five men shaped and molded what has happened in America today.
The first was Georg Friedrich Hegel. He lived in the 1820s. For 1500
years people had accepted without question the fact of moral
absolutes. That right was right and wrong was wrong universally.
Everywhere people thought that murder was wrong. Everywhere adultery
was thought to be wrong and if it were not thought to be wrong it
was only an aberration. The consensus was that there is a fixed
standard of right and wrong. But Hegel came along and he rejected
moral absolutes. He had what he called a "dialectic theory".
Dialecticism is simply an argument. He had a reasoned argument, a
dialectic theory. And what was his dialectic theory? He said all
history is made up of thesis, antithesis and synthesis. Thesis is an
idea, a proposition that people believed to be true and they hold
that idea until somebody comes along with an opposing idea, an
antithesis. So, these two get into a battle--a thesis and an
antithesis. They battle back and forth until each of them gives a
little and somewhere in the middle you come to a synthesis, which is
a thesis and an antithesis coming together. That synthesis becomes
the new thesis. That becomes the new accepted model for truth. Hegel
said therefore there are no moral absolutes. He's not talking about
biological evolution, he's talking about philosophical and social
evolution--that society is always in a flux. It's always moving and
there is no fixed standard of right and wrong. Hegel said that ideas
come under the heading of survival of the strongest. The strongest
idea wins and therefore history is evolutionary and there can be no
absolutes.
After Hegel in the 1820s there came along another man in the 1830s.
This man's name was Ludwig Feuerback. He was another German
philosopher. One of these things begins to build upon another.
Feuerback said if there are no moral absolutes--if Hegel is right
(and he accepted that Hegel was right)--then, there can be no God.
Because if there is a God, then that God would have absolute truth.
So, he said that there can be no God. He said man that creates the
idea of God. Man is not made in the image of God but God is in the
imagination of man. All that moral flux, this no moral
absolutes--causes a deep insecurity in the heart and mind of man.
So, Feuerback said that God is created in the imagination of man.
Man simply invents God. He said, "Christianity has in fact long
vanished. Not only from reason but from the life of mankind. It is
nothing more than a fixed idea."
Are we haunted by that ghost today? Yes, that's called humanism.
Humanism sounds so much like humanitarianism. But there is a vast
difference between humanism and humanitarianism. Humanitarianism
means we love one another, we care for one another, and we love the
human species that God has made--man. But humanism makes man the
center, the circumference, the sum total of everything, it has no
room for God. It is a fine sounding name. But, it is atheism just
simply wearing another coat.
The third person that we are being haunted by today is Karl Marx.
Marx built on the work of Hegel and Feuerback. He said, now if this
is true--if there are no absolutes and therefore, there is no God,
then what is the future and the purpose of mankind? Where are we
going? As a result, Karl Marx wrote the Communist Manifesto in 1848.
He took Hegel's dialectic argument and he called it dialectical
materialism (another word for communism). What he believed was that
capitalism--the right to own property, and the right to be
productive for yourself--was wrong. That, he said, is the thesis.
The antithesis is the desire for equity and fairness in the hearts
and minds of the working people. He said if you take that thesis and
that antithesis, you will come to a synthesis which will be
socialism and communism. That's Marxism. That's Hegelian philosophy
and the ideas of Feuerback put together because communism is
godless. It's not just another form of economy, it is unspeakably
immoral because it does not recognize the worth, the dignity, of the
individual. The individual is nothing. Marx said that they way to
set all of this about is a revolution. He said it doesn't matter if
there is suffering. He believed that there must be violent change.
He said that we must be like a foreign body within the existing
system that will accelerate its death. So, millions and millions
were put to death under godless communism. 40 to 50 million were
executed. Why? Because there is no God. If there is not God, there
is no fixed standard of right and wrong. Therefore, we as human
beings, all we have is materialism. And what we've got to do is to
somehow bring in a humanist, godless utopia. Revolution was
necessary and here is what Marx said, "The suffering and sacrifice
of violent change constitutes the price that mankind has to pay to
have any essential progress at all. So, he said, we want change. We
want it violently. Marxism and Leninism affects American life today.
Here's the fourth man that has skewed the worldview. His name is
Charles Darwin. Charles Darwin wrote the Origin of the Species in
1859, and the Decent of Man in 1871. He came to the conclusion that
man is the product of evolution. If there is no God, there can be no
fixed standard of right and wrong--and if there is no God, then how
did we get here? How do we explain our existance? Evolution is not a
science. It is a philosophy. It is the next best guess of the mind
that cannot accept divine creation. Darwin went on to write that we,
ourselves, are the product of mere chance. We as human beings cannot
escape the evolutionary web.
Another philosopher a little later on described what Darwin taught
us. "With this single argument, the mystery of the universe is
explained. The deity is annulled. And a new era of infinite
knowledge is ushered in." And from that time on, man has been
endeavoring to make a monkey of himself thanks to Charles Darwin and
those that believed him.
The fifth of these five men that haunt us today is a man named
Sigmund Freud. Freud lived from 1856 to 1939. He was the one who put
the final bow on the whole thing. He put the final touches to the
evolutionary model. Feuerback said that we created the idea of God
because of the insecurities that Hegel brought about that said there
are no absolutes. Freud asked, where do we get the idea of God? What
kind of a God do we conjure up? He said our idea of God comes from
our childhood father and we conceive of God as we would conceive of
our childhood father when we were children. He was the father of
psychoanalysis. He taught that mankind is motivated chiefly by
pleasure--specifically, by sexual pleasure and eroticism. For Freud
almost everything begins and ends with sex. He felt if mankind is
repressed in society by his/her erotic urges, if people are failed
to be allowed to fulfill their sexual desires, they may get a
neurosis. That is the reason we see perversion. The filth, the
debauchery that we see in society today, that roots back to the
extreme permissiveness that came out of Freudian psychology. You see
it in raising children. We are told not to repress children. After
all, you don't want to warp the little thing.
What happened when these five men brought these philosophies? It
took less than a hundred years for them to come to fruition in this
century. In 1924, a man who was a student of: Hegel, Feuerback,
Marx--had a name--Adolf Hitler. He thought he had an idea better
than Marx, Nazism. He wrote Mein Kampf. He wrote: "No more than
natures desires the mating with weaker with stronger individuals..."
there you see the survival of the fittest; we're talking about
Darwin there. "...even less does she desire the blending of a higher
and a lower race." Hitler was the original racist. "...since if she
did, her whole work of higher breeding over perhaps hundreds of
thousands of years might be ruined with one blow. All great cultures
of the past perished only because the originally created race died
from blood poisoning that is intermarrying. The man who creates the
culture must be preserved. Preservation is bound up with the rigid
law of necessity and the right to victory of the best and the
strongest in this world." That's just another way of saying survival
of the fittest. Then, Hitler said, "Those who want to live, let them
fight and those who do not want to fight in this world of eternal
struggle do not deserve to live. Even if this is hard, this is how
it is." That lead to the gas ovens.
You say, the gas ovens were terrible. What about the abortion
business today? What about taking the little babies--the weakest of
all creatures and because they are weak, because they cannot defend
themselves, they are liquidated. Do you know what Hitler's argument
for the extermination of Jews was? He reclassified them as
non-persons. Do you know what we are doing to the little babies
today? We are re-classifying them as non-persons. Can you imagine
someone saying, I personally am against the cremation of human
beings but what one does in his own personal gas chamber is his
business. I'm for choice.
This is the idea of survival of the strongest. How can "Dr.
Death"--Dr. Kevorkain do what he does over and over and over again?
Because these people are weak. They're suffering. Many people say,
get them out of the way. They want to die. Help them to die. It's
only a little step for doctors who will put to death little babies
in the womb and be paid for it, will, with a needle and a syringe
help some of us to get out of the way in this crowded world because
it's just what we call the survival of the fittest.
These ideas have been around for a long time. Actually, they were
born in the pit of hell. But there was a resurgence of these kinds
of ideas in the last century and now we've sown the wind and we are
reaping the whirlwind.
Am I discouraged? No, and I'll tell you why. The Bible says that the
weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty to God unto the
pulling down of strongholds. God has given us kingdom authority.
Jesus said, behold, I give you authority over all the power of the
enemy. Do you know the one thing that they do not have?--is truth.
Let me tell you, the other thing they don't have? They don't have
the Holy Spirit. So what we need to do is take the word of truth and
the spirit of truth and hold up the Christ of truth and we need to
get out of the boat with both feet. We need to know who we are, what
we believe, and why we believe it. We don't have to be ashamed of
what we believe. There are good answers to these things and the
Bible says we are to be ready to give answer to those who ask us of
these things.
I am convinced that there is not a lot wrong in America that could
not be changed radically and quickly if we had a generation of
preachers across this land who would stand in the pulpits of God
anointed with the Holy Spirit and a heart full of love from a pure
life who would preach and teach. Edited notes based on sermon by
Adrienne Rogers: Ghosts That Haunt Us.
Response to comment [from a Christian]: "[Y]ou have two
species that appear to be very close to each other on the
evolutionary timeline (you provide all the evidence you want, the
principle holds) - you still have dozens, hundreds, maybe even
millions of incremental steps of evolution between them according to
those evolutionists who believe evolution happens by way of
incremental steps of natural selection weeding out the traits.."
"...Once the lack of major transitions is
acknowledged, one must face the fact that there is no tree of life
because there are no roots, no trunk, no boughs, and no medium-sized
branches. There are only mutually disjointed bushes, and even these
consist exclusively of variation only within the kind, and this is
almost invariably within the family unit of traditional taxonomy.
The scientific creationist needs to only reject organic evolution
before being in hearty agreement with the foregoing cited
statements..." full text: Does a transitional form replace
one gap with two gaps?
http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v14/i2/transitional_form.asp
"We can believe the word of God (1) because
of the scientific accuracy of the Bible. Some say: "Of course the
Bible is not scientifically accurate because it was was written
thousands of years ago." Before you say that, make sure of two
things--make certain that you know science and make certain that you
know the word of God. The Bible does not always agree with
science--and for that I am infinitely glad. If you've been to
Paris, you may have visited the Louvre. There are 3 1/2 miles of
books on science and almost every one of them is obsolete. Science
is changing. What is scientific fact in one era is not in another
era.
In 1861 there was an anti-God French
academy of science that gave 51 facts that prove the Bible wrong.
Today, more than 100 years later, there is not a reputable scientist
who believes one of those 51 facts. Aren't you glad the Bible did
not agree with that science? Had the Bible agreed with that science
the Bible would have been wrong. Give the scientists enough time,
perhaps they'll catch up with the Bible..." full text:
How to Be Certain the Bible is the Word of God
http://www.vananne.com/evolutionvscreation/How%20to%20Know%20the%20Bible%20is%20the%20Word%20of%20God.htm
SD: Are you pro-homosexual?
[Re: homosexuality]
PB: "I am pro-equality and so is the
constitution of this great nation-- if you don't like it, I'm sure
you can find a border..."
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2308914#post2308914
PB: "Not being anti-gay doesn't make someone
pro-homosexual." http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2322106&highlight=constant#post2322106
[Will not answer the following: Is
homosexuality an abomination? (1
Kin. 14:24). Did God made us
male and female? (Mt
19:4). Is is disgusting to
God to act differently than we were created? (Deut
22:5).]
SD: Are you a humanist?
[Re: young earth creation]
"I won't apologize for loving
truth...Hiding behind a book won't change reality...[P]eople come to
associate Christianity...with anti-science dogma and superstition."
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2308914#post2308914
[Did we evolve from monkeys? (Ge 1:26, Jas
3:9)] "[W]e share a common ancestor [with monkeys]."
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2308928#post2308928
[So a monkey was not created a monkey and a
man was not created a man? Man became a man over millions of years
through the process of evolution?] "That is what the evidence
indicates..." http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2308941#post2308941
[Did God create the world in six literal
days? (Ex 20:11; 31:17)] "Nope."
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2308928#post2308928
[What hermeneutic do you use to oppose a
six normal day creation? (Ex. 20:11; 31:17).] "The use of mythic
imagery and symbolism, particularly combined with the scientific
evidence, show that Genesis is not meant to a literal, historical
revelation but an allegorical presentation containing spiritual
truth...I use reason and evidence..."
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2308941#post2308941
This is not a biblical worldview.
See:
[URL="http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/wow/"] War of Worldviews [/URL]
[URL="http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/wow/what-is-biblical-worldview"] What
is a Biblical Worldview? [/URL]
[URL="http://vananne.com/culttoasters/Worldview%20Comparison.PDF"]Worldview
Comparison [/URL]
[URL="http://www.vananne.com/serpentdove/naturalism.htm"]Naturalism [/URL]
[URL="http://www.vananne.com/serpentdove/Materialism.htm"]Materialism [/URL]
[URL="http://www.vananne.com/serpentdove/Humanism.htm"]Humanism [/URL]
[URL="http://www.vananne.com/serpentdove/multiculturalism.htm"]Multiculturalism
[/URL]
[URL="http://www.vananne.com/armorofthelord/The%20Truth%20War.htm"] Modernity
& Postmodernism: An excerpt from The Truth War: Fighting for Certainty in an Age
of Deception by John MacArthur [/URL]
Response to comment [from other]: "Just
checking to see if any 'revisions' have been made to 'Cholerics'
list."
Worship the Creator not the creation.
Excerpt Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis:
"[There] is a big difference between Pantheism and the Christian
idea of God...Pantheists usually believe that God, so to speak,
animates the universe as you animate you body: that the
universe almost is God, so that if it did not exist He would not
exist either, and anything you find in the universe is part of God.
The Christian idea is quite different. They think God invented
and made the universe [Ge 1:1]--like a man making a picture or
composing a tune [Gn 1:2628]. A painter is not a picture, and
he does not die if his picture is destroyed. You may say,
'He's put a lot of himself into it,' but you only mean that all its
beauty and interest has come out of his head. His skill is not
in the picture in the same way that it is in his head, or even in
his hands. I expect you see how this difference between
Pantheists and Christians hangs together with the other one.
If you do not take the distinction between good and bad very
seriously, then it is easy to say that anything you find in this
world is part of God. But, of course, if you think some things
really bad, and God really good, then you cannot talk like that,
You must believe that God is separate from the world and that some
of the things we see in it are contrary to His will." Ro 1:23.
Response to comment [from a Christian]:
"I don't see beloved57 on the list. Not sure where to classify him."
I believe he's a Jehovah's Witness based on his
comments.
Response to comment [from a Catholic]: "Grrr! I'm still not
on the list!"
Do you believe that your works can save
you? Jud 11.
Add Squeaky (works will save you crowd):
""Over and over again Jesus said to keep His commandments which is
to do the works He said to do."
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2357056#post2357056,
"You haven't addressed anything I have shared with you. Most
Trinitarians are programmed like that (Squeaky)."
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2363197#poststop
Response to comment [from a "Christian"]:
"
The :reals: devils get frustrated in the
heat of summer I think. :yawn:
See:
Tension Inherent Between Believers and Non-Belivers
http://vananne.com/armorofthelord/#_tension_inherent
Response to comment [from a Christian]: "I am saying
Choleric has no moral or spiritual or biblical basis to set himself
up to judge others as heretics."
Add patricius79 to "saved by works"
(changed identification from "Roman Catholic" to "Christian") and
states:
"[F]aith alone" is not Biblical and is
explicitly anti-Biblical..."
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2503134#poststop
"...[W]e can be made holy by the works of
God in us..." http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2507031#post2507031
Response to comment [from a Catholic]: [Do we need faith
plus works or a faith that works (carry over from
Catholic/Protestant thread)] "Guess we'll have to add God then..."
Too bad this is a difficult issue for you (Ro
9:32). We are saved by grace alone through faith alone (Jn 1:12; 3:16, 18, 36; Ac
16:31; Ro 10:9-10,13; Eph 2:8-9). The Bible teaches a
gospel of grace not a gospel of works (Ac 20:24,32).
How is sin paid for--by your "good" works
or by trust in Christ? How is the breast plate of
righteousness put on--by you or or by God? Can you put on your own
righteousness? Isa 54:17, Ro 4:13; 9:30; 10:6, Ro
3:22,
Jer 23:6, Isa 61:10.
Can you earn righteousness or is it a gift? Ro 5:17.
Response to comment [from other]: "According to Paul's
gospel....The righteous are those who do righteousness..."
Man is not justified by his own
righteousness (Rom. 10:15) or works (Rom. 4:15). This faith is a
dead faith (Jas 2:1426).
"Paul spoke about the root of faith (Eph 2:8). James spoke about the
fruit of faith (Jas 2:17-18)." ~ Adrian Rogers
Add Cruciform (if you find it necessary to
add
Catholics at all
)-who
states: [Serpentdove quote: Works are insufficient for salvation]
"Sorry, but your preferred Protestant anti-Catholic doctrinal
tradition has misinformed you..."
who
states: [Serpentdove quote: Works are insufficient for salvation]
"Sorry, but your preferred Protestant anti-Catholic doctrinal
tradition has misinformed you..."
Response to comment [from other]:
"Oh. So I guess you think that Nazz is a prophet with his
foretelling of Doom against the UK as well then?"
You sound concerned.
"Btw I don't cook raisin cakes and nor am I a pagan..."
TMI (Song 2:5).
"...[B]but don't let little details like that get in the way of
anything SD. You OTOH are a fruitcake..."
"Not really. Unlike Japan I don't have to worry about massive
earthquakes and the subsequent devastation and flooding. Whatever
'disaster' befalls this country, it ain't gonna be on that scale
unless we're talking nuclear holocaust or asteroid impact etc..."
Asteroid?
While the earth remains, seedtime and harvest, Cold and heat,
winter and summer, and day and night shall not cease (Ge
8:22)."
Sidebar: Did you know that BBC is broadcasting here now? They are
terrible there. Why must they come here?
Response to comment [from an atheist]: "The British
Broadcasting Company is generally considered the best news gathering
broadcaster in the world..."
Jer 5:31.
"Ahhh the joke[']s on you and one day I may explain why!"
I do like Monty Python and Are you Being
Served?
[Monty Python/Are You Being Served?] "Really?
Wow...Now that is a shock..."
Are you a big fan, bunny?
Response to comment [from other]: "Uh yeh SD, "while the earth
remains". The current one may well have an expiry date..."
It does. The Lord created this world
(Joh 1:3,10; Col 1:16). He upholds it (Heb 1:3).
One day he will uncreate it (2 Pe 3:10).
"I didn't even state an asteroid impact was likely anyway..."
An asteroid is the least of your problems (Prov.
11:7).
Add Krsto (non-trinitarian) who states:
"[N]o, I don't believe God is a trinity."
Response to comment [from a Christian]: "You can add Lazy Afternoon
to this list. Along with godrulz, graceandpeace, and andyc."
Lazy Afternoon is number 11 on The 'Jesus is
not God' people (non-trinitarians) list. Didn't you get the memo.
Response to comment [from other]: "Funny thing about these 'memos'.
They tend to be so boring and full of hot pompous air that folk just
fall as zzzzzzzzz...........zzzzzzzzzzzzzz"
There would be far more interesting things to
talk about if you were a Christian. You have yet to enter the
kiddie pool.
"My word SD. That was almost asinine enough to keep me from falling
as zzz..."
You need a new hat.
Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: [Christians] "They
are not true monotheists..."
One what. Three whose.
"...If you dont believe in the Trinity, then you dont understand
who God is. You may say the word God but you dont understand His
nature. Second, you couldnt possibly understand who Christ is--that
He is God in human flesh. The Incarnation of Christ is an essential
component of the biblical gospel, as John 1:1-14 and many other
biblical passages make clear. To deny the Trinity is to deny the
Incarnation. And to deny the Incarnation is to wrongly understand
the true gospel..." Full text:
Can You Be a Christian and Deny the Trinity? John 1:1-14
John MacArthur
Response to comment [from a Catholic]: "[T]rue monotheists" =
"those who happen to agree with Krsto..."
Serpentduh"
You fit right in, in the brothel. Your religion is all about
outward appearance, isn't it
God's word is inspired (
Argument
Ad Nauseam or Ad infinitum (Repetition) 
do
not save (
Satan Inc. (ToL Heretics
List)