Question for non-Calvinists

Simpletruther View Post

Do you think there are people in hell, who might have been saved, if only someone had been more passionate about sharing the gospel?  I wanted to see how many answer yes and no.

Men are responsible for the light shown them.[1] God gave them what they demanded.[2]

[1] Responsibility is increased by: sight (John 9:39-41), privilege (John 15:22, 24), opportunity (Matt. 11:20-24), continuance in sin (Matt. 23:31-35), rejection (Matt. 10:11-15). Thomas Nelson Publishers. (1996). Nelson's quick reference topical Bible index (p. 529). Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers.

[2] Neither fallen angels nor unregenerate men have been thrown into the lake of fire yet (Rev. 19:20).

Simpletruther replied
Could some of them have been saved, if only a believer had been more motivated to preach the gospel to them?

Why would a Calvinist be motivated to preach the gospel? They can take the day off. God demanded that they love him and they supposedly do. They have no choice but to be saved. :idunno:

David1701 replied
Of course, Calvinism doesn't teach that God will make sure that the elect are saved, no matter what. It's the "no matter what" part that is the problem. It contains unwritten assumptions that some things that happen were not planned by God

God predetermined that you would say that. Take the day off. He predetermined that, too.

Simpletruther replied
Does this mean vast numbers of people are in heaven simply because they were never given any light, and thus have no responsibility?

Everyone has light. Everyone has responsible before God. Helen Keller got it. :idunno:

Men have internal testimony (Ro 2:15), external testimony (Ps 19:1) and the scriptures (Jas 1:18). They are without excuse (Ro 1:20).

Theo1689 replied
[Why would a Calvinist be motivated to preach the gospel?]

1) Because God is our Lord and He commanded us to.

2) Because Jesus is our Lord and He commanded us to.

3) Because we love God and we want to share this love with others.

4) Because we love Jesus and we want to share this love with others.

5) Because we love the gospel and we want to share this love with others.

6) Because we want to be part of God's work in saving His people.

7) Because the preaching of the gospel is the means by which God draws His people to Himself.

How many reasons do you need?

God forced you to love him and so you do. :freak: He's unhealthy but you love him anyway. :idunno:

David1701 replied
If all you're going to do is mock our beliefs

God predetermined that I'd mock your beliefs. Why are you dissing on God's DVD in the sky? If you don't like this part, then fast forward through it. God predetermined that you would. :freak:

...Why are you still here? You're thinking about not doing what was predetermined for you? That will mess up the space time continuum and you'll thrust us into an alternate quantum reality. I threw in the word quantum to impress you because it was predetermined that I would. :Shimei:

Do you know what Jesus taught about mockers and scoffers?

Do you know what Greek pagans taught?

Theo1689 replied
So seven reasons wasn't [sic] enough for you.

I can't think of anything more worthless than the prayer of a Calvinist (except for that of a Catholic). :olinger:

[A god who demands love] He's not the least bit "unhealthy". But it's interesting to know that you hate God.

Your god, yes. He needs therapy--and you need a restraining order.

Theo1689 View Post

[Multiple responses] That's your problem, not mine...

...That's your problem, not mine.

Case in point.

"Apathy and hatred--pretty much the same thing." ~ Bob Enyart

Theo1689 replied
I can't find "Bob Enyart" in my Bible.  But if that's who you worship…

:yawn: He’s fine servant of the Lord. Don’t agree with him on all things. :juggle:

So much for seeing a future that doesn't exist yet (Ge 22:12, Jer 7:31).


Is the Future Settled or Open? Dr. Lamerson vs. Enyart

Predestination and Will:  How are predestination and election connected with foreknowledge?     

Does God Elect Everyone?

bruisermiller replied
[Ge 22:12, Jer 7:31] Are you an Open Theist?

The future is not settled.

bruisermiller replied
God had another cause in mind when he declared that people should not burn their children and offer them to Molech.

We do that each and every day in America (Pr 8:36). :reals:

Question for non-Calvinists