Christianity Paints the Product of Perfect Love as Stockholm Syndrome

Bluemayskye View Post

…Multiple Christian sites establish fear as the motivator to obedience using these and other passages…

Love is the greatest motivator to get saved (Jn 3:16). 

Essentially God's love, perfect love, is being described as requiring absolute obedience with the looming threat of eternal torment as motivation.

Whatever floats your boat.  :idunno: Judgment is coming (Rom. 2:5).  :juggle:

Bluemayskye replied

[Stockholm] The prisoner…

You are a prisoner—a slave to sin (Jn 8:34).  :dizzy:  Christians are free (Jn 8:36). :straight:

…[M]ust accept…

God gave you a will (Ge 2:17). He won’t force you to love him.  :CRASH: Terrorists don’t give you a choice—like the one you’ll be living under soon (Mt 24:21).

Who requires punishment for imperfection…

Every sin you’ve committed will be paid for by you—or by Jesus on the cross.  Your choice.

Allowing us to peer into the devastating chasm of eternal suffering unless we accept...

If God is not just, God is not good.

Bluemayskye replied

So he created a scenario where his children would need to be absolutely perfect (something he knew his design would fail)…

Nothing wrong with the law (Jas 1:25).

…and force them to love him…

He won’t force you to love him.  You are given a choice to be freed from the law or not (Acts 15:1–29).  Be justified in him or don’t be justified in him—your choice (Acts 13:38, 39).

…[B]y preparing "objects of wrath."

Hell wasn’t prepared for you (Matt. 25:41).  If you insist on going there, you will (Matt. 10:15).

Bluemayskye replied

You are not even trying to respond to what I'm saying.

“First men won’t respond, then they can’t respond.” ~ Adrian Rogers

:idunno: Could be you’re past your due date.   

Bluemayskye replied

[Nothing wrong with God’s law] …But when a law is created by someone who knows that those he is enforcing it on will fail…

So?  He provided a way to bridge the gap (1 Pet. 1:18, 19).  You won’t accept him as Lord and Savior, so; you’re on your own (2 Cor. 5:20, 21).  Good luck with that. 

Being freed from the law by one who set us up to fail to begin with…

As well as the solution to it (2 Cor. 5:20, 21).  You’re welcome (2 Cor. 5:18, 19).

The law, a mirror, should have taught you that you’re a sinner in need of a Savior (Rom. 3:20).  You think you’re above the law.  Ask Steven Segal how that’ll work out for ya. :juggle:

…[I]s no more than mind games to trick you into submission.

If you think the law is a mind game; wait ‘til the Great Tribulation is upon you.  God is merciful.  If he were cruel, then he’d just allow you to slip into hell.  He’s doing all he can to save you—see how ya do in the trouble to come on the earth (Mt 24:21).  Sure, you’ll lose your head, but you’ll live eternally.  Unless you’re one of those really foolish ones who goes through all of that, then dies, then goes to hell.  You get the monumentally stupid award in all of history.

If I trapped you and forced you to trust me in order to escape…

You’re free to trust yourself; or trust in him (Pr 3:5).

…I am hoping the Stockholm Syndrome will kick in so I can manipulate however I wish.

He could force you to love him; but that would cheapen love; which is far too valuable to him (Ru 1:16).  :straight:

…This whole system is an obvious trap made by humans to scam allegiance.

You’re allegiance is to Satan and his system (Eph 2:2).  You do what he would have you do (Jn 8:44).  You:  steal, kill and destroy (Jn 10:10).  We, do the opposite (Jn 10:10).

…That is why we are repeatedly told not to trust ourselves in the bible.

If you’d like to live (Is. 57:13). :idunno:

…Any honest examination reveals how insidious this ploy really is.

No ploy.  You have nothing to do; but die and go to hell (2 Thess 2:10).  We have chosen to die to self and go to heaven (1 Co 15:31).   

Rev. 20:14 Does that even matter?

To those who care about justice it does (Re 6:10).  If I were God’s enemy, I’d dislike his justice, too (Ga 6:7).   

Hell is said to be only temporary…

Hell is:  everlasting fire (Matt. 25:41), everlasting punishment (Matt. 25:46), everlasting destruction (2 Thess. 1:9).  Has to be.  Look who you’ve offended.

Satan has more:  fear, reverence and awe for God than you do (Jas 2:19).  You’re deceived and think it will end well (Ps. 11:5); but you’re going to learn that you’re not God (Ps. 75:8).      

[Rebellion] Again, a situation knowingly created by your deity…

He didn’t create your rebellion.  That’s all you (Dan. 9:5, 9).

…[W]ho designed creatures for the purpose of displaying his power.

We are made in his image (Gen. 9:6) for his pleasure and glory (Is. 43:7; Rev. 4:11).

…It is all a power trip…

It’s right because he is worthy of all praise and honor.  He knows it.  I know it.  You’re going to know it (Ro 14:11). 

…intended to break people into accepting it…

If that’s what it takes.  Better you become broken than spend eternity in hell. 

…[O]ut of fear…

You don’t have enough of that (Ps 111:10).  He’ll have to give you a little more.  

…[S]o they will praise their god regardless of how wicked he is.

He’s good (Ps. 145:9).  You’re evil (Matt. 13:38). 

Bluemayskye replied

So you are unable to respond?

I have responded.  I’m going in the rapture (Re 3:10).  You have not.  You stay (1 Thess 5:2).

[Time past to be saved] You appear to be trying to force Gen. 6:3 into some kind of apostate context.

God may already have called you for the last time. 

That or you think I was born in the 1800's.

I don’t know you.  I don’t know :idunno: how many demons you’ve welcomed into your body (Lk 19:44, Jn 1:10-11). :granite:

I have been around the bible long enough to see when people are using it wrong…

I bet you have. :reals: 

Bluemayskye replied

…Please learn to use the quote system.

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Neither the quote button nor advanced editing features work with Edge browser which I use. 

…[W]e may be reaching a wall. Your religious system justifies converting humans to Christianity by telling them they are worthless…

Being made in God’s image isn’t worthless (Ge 9:6, Pr 17:5).

…[W]ithout bowing their knee to the one who holds them over a lake of fire.  If you cannot see that this is wrong…

This upsets demons not humans (Matt. 8:29–33).

 …[Y]ou will be able to justify anything.

You’re happy with your demon.  :idunno: Good luck to the two, three, four or five of you (Mark 5:8, 9).  No sense cleaning house—you’d only invite more (Mt 12:45).   

Bluemayskye replied

[God may already have called you for the last time.] That is one theory. It's equally possible that I am doing exactly what god wants me to do.

Doubt it (Eccl 10:2, Jn 10:10). :juggle:

Or that he doesn't exist. Time will tell.

You’ll have plenty of that.

…Christian's perspective of no-believers living <1 to 120 years before being thrown into a lake of fire and ignored by god for the rest of eternity sounds like god's throwing out the trash.

He doesn’t send you to hell.  You do that yourself (Matt. 25:41).

[Demons complain (Matt. 8:29–33)] You must know an interesting set of humans if you believe people don't mind being threatened with being burned alive forever.

Fallen angels can’t be saved.  People can be saved (Jn 3:16).

Tell me, other than disagreeing with your worldview, how can one know [if] one has "demons?"

You’ve got plenty of problems with or without all of the demons who live in you.  

Unless you demonstrate you actually GAF…

You need a tissue for your issue? Drink up. Fornicate on (Re 22:11).

Your smug apathy is noted…

:yawn: Eph 4:14

You’ll end up exactly where you belong (Deut. 32:4).  :burnlib:Tick, tick, tick.  

Take care.

Perhaps you don’t know what the Stockholm Syndrome is.  Victims of crime should be aware of this.  It is when one begins to sympathize with his terrorist captor.

God; however, is not a terrorist as you allege (Eccl 10:2).  All that he does is good (Jn 10:10).  If God allowed those who hate him into heaven, that would make heaven hell.  :mario:

Bluemayskye replied

[Stockholm syndrome] This is the definition I am working from.  In the Christian narrative, humans cannot escape the presence of god (are captors)…

You believe God is a terrorist.  I do not.

“I prefer clarity to agreement.” ~ Dennis Prager

…who gives the ultimatum: believe and follow me or be eternally tormented.

Don’t like it?  Get your own universe.

[Goodness of God] We must observe their actions.

You believe God is evil.  I do not. 

“I prefer clarity to agreement.” ~ Dennis Prager

You place yourself in the position of judge over God.  Good luck with that.

I am attempting to show that a "good" god would never create the scenarios that the christian god is purported to.

Attempt all you like.  God-haters will agree with you (Eccl 10:2, Jn 10:10).  Christians will not (Jn 10:10).

If god is the definition of love, why then does he act the opposite?

Dying for you wasn’t enough? :idunno: Ro 5:8

"The greatest sin is sinning against love." ~ J. Vernon McGee 

Bluemayskye replied

…I am simply questioning the character flaws of one perspective of god in a specific belief system.

:yawn: Christianity (1 Co 1:18). 

Love does not demand ultimatums.

You wanted to be your own god--and be welcomed into heaven.  If God allowed men like yourself who happen to run the world now into heaven, then that would make heaven hell. :dizzy:

I do not hate God, only the perspective of God that praises him for performing evil.

Justice is a good thing (Deut. 32:4, Ps 94:23).

[Christ dying for your sin, proof of his goodness (Ro 5:8)] …This flawed perspective of "love" is tremendously harmful to the human psyche.

You love your sin.  God hates it.  He made a provision for you which you reject (1 Pet. 1:18, 19).  :juggle:  

Bluemayskye replied

[1 Co 1:18] This whole passage is basically ignore your own heart and mind and follow our religion.

If you have to be religious, :olinger: then care for widows and orphans (Jas 1:27). :thumb:

[Justice is a good thing (Deut. 32:4).] …Wouldn't the world be a great place to live if we all just followed the bible!


You are too immersed in your truth to see how ugly and evil it really is.

“Truth is hate to those who hate the truth.” ~ Bob Enyart

The idea that a perfect god would create beings that he knew would sin…

Your sin is your doing (Jas 1:14).

Christianity Paints the Product of Perfect Love as Stockholm syndrome